Warrior Quick 'n Dirty Arms Guide - Page 15

**squats** · #**281** 07-04-2009, 02:27 PM

Source: Ship
Have another thought in regards to DPS.
Currently using a Mace, the Titansteel Destroyer. It is all know to be the best crafted 2-hand as of yet. Gives 186,5 DPS. But would not two 1-hand maces of say 143 DPS each give a better overaul DPS? Fury warriors use two 2-hand, but based on the talents in Arms would not two 1-hand axes/maces do the most DPS instead of a single 2-hand?
Can someone smart explain this?

Thanks a lot.

Thoose of you checking my armory recently and don't see any update? Well my game computer broke and I ordeded a new Alienware with dual graphics, (not cheap). Was promised two weeks delivery, still waiting. Called Dell to ask when the bl**dy thing would arrive and they can't tell but they already recieved the payment.... Hopefully next week. So I can't play but on the other hand it gives me time to study all forums in the hunt for the optimal solution. Need I say that I have found the best forum?

it basically comes down to weapon damage. Slam, MS, Deep wounds, overpower.. you know, all of the abilities we use as arms, are based heavily off of weapon damage.

also, you ordered a Alienware... but called dell.. i think thats your issue.

Lizana · #**282** 07-04-2009, 04:04 PM

Source: squats
also, you ordered a Alienware... but called dell.. i think thats your issue.

Dell owns Alienware...

**Ship** · #**283** 07-05-2009, 01:10 AM

Ok, I understand the reasons.
I thought that both hands with a 1-hand in each would have a better DPS based on weapon DPS (2x143 is higher than 1x186). Guess with a higher level of expertise dodge/parry might not be a issue. Each attack is using both hands and thereby both weapons. But off course rend and MS will be lower.
I might just try this on a dummy one day to see the outcome. But I believe you when you say it will be less DPS.

Thanks.

As Lizana said: Dell owns Allienware. You order the computer from Dell (at least in Europe). Wish I had ordered the best ASUS instead. Would have been cheaper and nearly just as good. And would have been playing today.

Lizana · #**284** 07-05-2009, 10:20 AM

Each attack is using both hands and thereby both weapons.

Thats not the way DW works. Your special attacks hit with your Main hand weapon only. Your offhand weapon isnt figured in for your attacks. Also remember that your off hand by default will do 50% less dps, and will cause your miss rate to go to 26% from 8% for auto attacks.

**squats** · #**285** 07-05-2009, 10:30 AM

Source: Ship
Ok, I understand the reasons.
I thought that both hands with a 1-hand in each would have a better DPS based on weapon DPS (2x143 is higher than 1x186). Guess with a higher level of expertise dodge/parry might not be a issue. Each attack is using both hands and thereby both weapons. But off course rend and MS will be lower.
I might just try this on a dummy one day to see the outcome. But I believe you when you say it will be less DPS.

Thanks.

As Lizana said: Dell owns Allienware. You order the computer from Dell (at least in Europe). Wish I had ordered the best ASUS instead. Would have been cheaper and nearly just as good. And would have been playing today.

as liz said, yellow attacks (MS, overpower, slam) only hit from your main hand. duel wield arms just wont work.. the only time it will become useful at all is durring the <20% phase of bosses.. and even then i dont know that it will be an increase at all (liz can expand on this)

and i didnt know dell owned alienware.. i built my own computer. building your own>any manufacturer imo

jarussi · #**286** 07-06-2009, 10:52 AM

I read the entire post, I saw some people mention it but no answer..

at what point ArP starts to be better than strenght? I saw some people in here saying that one point, AP starts to have diminushing returns, at what point it is?

I dont like the idea of gemming for ArP, because I fell like I should be getting it from my gear first ... my ArP is rather low right now, around 20%, and I'm doing a mix between strenght and arp gems (thats wrong I know) ...

any suggestions? I dont have the money or the time to regem for strenght and test it, than regem for ArP and test it (even because the target dummy sucks for warriors).

tkz for all the help and for the great guide!

**Kazeyonoma** · #**287** 07-06-2009, 11:27 AM

AP doesn't have diminishing returns. Firstly you should always talk in terms of STR, AP is inferior to STR.

Secondly, the general concensus although not mathematically proven for ArP GEMMING is if you have 30% from gear alone then you can start gemming for ArP. this 30% is when you highlight over your hit rating and it says % ArP. That means no Sunders on target, that means No battle stance modifier. Just pure unadulterated Gear ArP. If you're under, STR is still a higher net gain.

Arretheil · #**288** 07-06-2009, 05:36 PM

You mentioned not considering battle stance or sunder modifiers, but what about mace spec modifier? I'm using a mace (for now, until something else better drops), so I'm not sure when I should make the ArP switch. AP is about 3300, hit and expertise capped.

**squats** · #**289** 07-06-2009, 05:39 PM

Source: Arretheil
You mentioned not considering battle stance or sunder modifiers, but what about mace spec modifier? I'm using a mace (for now, until something else better drops), so I'm not sure when I should make the ArP switch. AP is about 3300, hit and expertise capped.

dont put the mace spec into the equation. though theoretically it would be correct to do, you most likely will end up with an axe or sword

**shiz98** · #**290** 07-06-2009, 08:17 PM

or sword

There is no sword. There are only Axes, and if worse come to worse, Maces. Swords are bad news.

**Kazeyonoma** · #**291** 07-07-2009, 10:07 AM

unless you're going from a 212 dps axe/polearm to a 232 sword with decent stats. That will make up the difference in axe spec vs. sword spec. according to spreadsheets anyways... (regrets not rolling on aesir's edge -_-')

**squats** · #**292** 07-07-2009, 10:21 AM

Source: shiz98
There is no sword. There are only Axes, and if worse come to worse, Maces. Swords are bad news.

one of the BiS weapons for warriors is a sword... never base how good a weapon is off of sword/mace/axe spec because you can most likely get the gear to make it work..

**shiz98** · #**293** 07-07-2009, 09:31 PM

Yeah, there are situations where you'd take a sword over an axe or a mace - like Kaze pointed out, sometimes you just happened to get really unlucky with a weapon tier and have a nice leapfrog to a sword or something. I suppose my point was really that you should never keep a sword over a tier equivalent axe/mace.

Cronaldo · #**294** 07-08-2009, 11:19 AM

I hace RUNE EDGE. My last weapon was THE JAWBONE.

So, what do you think I should point to. Cuz I dont know what axe or mace is better!

**Kazeyonoma** · #**295** 07-08-2009, 11:28 AM

Rune Edge wins....

Pupp · #**296** 07-09-2009, 08:28 PM

Was wondering if one of the "pro" arms warriors could take a look at my build and see if I'm on the correct path. I'm finding myself averaging between 1500 and 2000K DPS depending on buffs and such. Perhaps I'm being greedy, but it seems like it should be more. Granted I've not done much raiding (boooo!), but I'm going to be doing more shortly so hope to be getting better equipment.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Thanks in advance.

Treide · #**297** 07-09-2009, 08:51 PM

long time reader first time poster..
im nowhere near the "pro" arms warrior standard my dps is soso could be better but ill try to help as best as i can.

@Pupp your talents are pretty much perfect to me (others can disagree) only thing i think can change is imp HS, i took HS out of my rotation and gained alot more dps since im not losing my white swing rage boost but it all depends on your rotation.
1.5-2k was what i was doing lastweek and i had less/similar gear to you
so to me its good :P

but i am quite nub with warriors only just started playing again,
but you could probably pull more dps out

Lizana · #**298** 07-09-2009, 09:32 PM

Source: Pupp
Was wondering if one of the "pro" arms warriors could take a look at my build and see if I'm on the correct path. I'm finding myself averaging between 1500 and 2000K DPS depending on buffs and such. Perhaps I'm being greedy, but it seems like it should be more. Granted I've not done much raiding (boooo!), but I'm going to be doing more shortly so hope to be getting better equipment.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Thanks in advance.

Never gem AP gems ever... Its always Str or at higher gear levels ARP, with mixed gems only to pick up needed socket bonuses and meta activation.

Your over hit cap, yet still have a hit gem in your gear.

You have quite a few haste items. Haste is a near worthless stat for you compared to almost anything else. Consider replacing all heavily haste itemized peices (your trinket) with anything else

Stamina enchants and gems are not needed if your a dpser, replace with dps gems

Pupp · #**299** 07-10-2009, 10:07 AM

Treide - Where would you go about putting the Imp HS? Deflection or somewhere else?

Lizana - Thank you very much for looking it over. I thought I'd rid myself of all hit gems but obviously not. You also answered one of my questions about haste. I'll dump it when I have the chance!! And gear for strength on everything else (I'm assuming that Str > Critical Stike?).

Thanks again for the help.

Frazzle · #**300** 07-10-2009, 10:23 AM

Apologies if this has been covered and I missed it, but...

I am prot, with an Arms offspec. I've been using Stormedge but now have Aesir's Edge. Although I read within this thread that Sword spec is worse than Ave/Mace spec, surely the huge gains on the sword is worth swapping to Sword spec?

[Ps. How do i get wowhead links into my post! What a failure...]