Warrior Quick 'n Dirty Arms Guide - Page 14

Lizana · #**261** 06-25-2009, 08:52 PM

Source: Gillbertwarrior
Whats so bad about gylph of bladestorm...i was concidering buying

Bladestorm is something you hit only if everything else is on cooldown. It is not part of the normal rotation because it provides less dps than doing a regular rotation. Improving it means you cant improve Execute, MS or rend, one of the three. So your takeing a dps loss by using the glyph to use a ability that is a dps loss over a normal rotation. (single target dps that is)

**shiz98** · #**262** 06-25-2009, 08:52 PM

It's way behind the Execution, Rending, and MS glyphs in terms damage gained.

Edit: And what Lizana said is absolutely true.

**Ship** · #**263** 06-29-2009, 03:19 PM

I have for a long time been working on AP and STR and found my DPS to be pity. Was nearly giving up, but now I am more hopeful. Will change some things off course but the explanation of Hit Rating/ArP and Expertise will help.

I have been outputing 1,5-2,3K and seen others do +4K so I knew something was wrong. All the time thought is was gear, as i have been working hard on rotation.

Can some of you that have DPS of +4K link your armory? It would be of great help to see how you are geared and where you put your talents.
Would very much like to see Shiz98, Lizana and any one else with high DPS. Maybe there is a way in here to see it, but I have not found any and by reading your armory I might find some clues to better myself. (Hope you don't mind if I copy some of your ideas).

Once again, thanks for a great guide and a very interessting forum.

Cortic · #**264** 06-30-2009, 01:06 AM

Just for u Ship

The World of Warcraft Armory

Usually push between 4.5k and 5.5k dps depending on RNG and movement.

Lyco · #**265** 06-30-2009, 01:53 AM

The golden rule to Arms:
- Axe specialisation
- Crit at 35% ( Raidbuffed ) ( Gem for Crit if you're below the 35%)
After that:
- Go for pure Arp.

Atleast that's what my Arms DPS have been telling me.

**Ship** · #**266** 06-30-2009, 01:38 PM

Great Cortic.
Thanks a lot. I can see why you get 5K.
Guess you will get 6K shortly.

immórtalthepaladin · #**267** 06-30-2009, 06:43 PM

Source: Lyco
The golden rule to Arms:
- Axe specialisation
- Crit at 35% ( Raidbuffed ) ( Gem for Crit if you're below the 35%)
After that:
- Go for pure Arp.

Atleast that's what my Arms DPS have been telling me.

Just want someone to confirm that this is true.
Only do around 2k dps on a dummy, and after reading this thread I got a little more clue.
I was reading at the start that ArP is very good, but then I noticed that it was said in April, so there has been a patch or two since then.
The Q is, is ArP still good?
Here is my armory The World of Warcraft Armory
Please tell me if anything is wrong with my spec!
Would be great if someone could tell me what to stack up (crit, hit, AP, ArP etc) - to "x" %/pts

Also a thing I've been wondering about is the rotation and stuff, and I've been using berserker stance, and I think now arms is more based on battle stance? So I play like this: charge -> zerker stance -> MS -> Whirlwind -> (execute if proc) -> slam -> wait to MS CD to finish. But somethings telling me "WRONG!". Please help me

Lizana · #**268** 06-30-2009, 08:39 PM

ARP is still very good, not as good as it was. After 30% arp from gear you can switch to pure arp geming. Before that and you will lose dps compared to STr geming. I have never gemed for Crit, and dont plan to anytime soon. Axe spec is better dps for an equal ilvl weapon. But sometimes a better mace will out dps a lower level Axe.

You should never leave battle stance. You have things to take up 100% of your GCD without ever leaving the stance.

**Wars** · #**269** 06-30-2009, 08:41 PM

Source: Lyco
The golden rule to Arms:
- Axe specialisation
- Crit at 35% ( Raidbuffed ) ( Gem for Crit if you're below the 35%)
After that:
- Go for pure Arp.

Atleast that's what my Arms DPS have been telling me.

Thanks Lyco, going to definitely try to grab some better ArP/Crit gear for offspec nights where I'm forced to dps.

ATM I average something like 3k on most fights in almost all dps gear(lots of crit but ugh, so bad!).

**shiz98** · #**270** 06-30-2009, 09:58 PM

You should never leave battle stance. You have things to take up 100% of your GCD without ever leaving the stance.

I actually did some experimenting there - hopping into zerker stance immediately after a TfB proc/usage to fire off a Whirlwind (sane rage usage permitting). It was a pretty hefty DPS loss, even when I was able to coordinate it tightly on a stationary dummy. In a real-world scenario it would be even more of a DPS loss.

Cortic · #**271** 06-30-2009, 11:19 PM

Yeah - Zerker stance is a nub thing really...

I dont see myself hitting 6k on average to be honest. I have alot of BiS pieces and getting a piece here and there will not increase my dps on average by 500. Due to latency here in AU I am pretty sure my DPS will not rise by a huge margin.

Also, with my gear level, Fury and Arms are evenning out and i have not upgraded my Fury weapons since Naxx so Fury > Arms with proper gear.

immórtalthepaladin · #**272** 07-01-2009, 05:46 AM

Source: Lizana
ARP is still very good, not as good as it was. After 30% arp from gear you can switch to pure arp geming. Before that and you will lose dps compared to STr geming. I have never gemed for Crit, and dont plan to anytime soon. Axe spec is better dps for an equal ilvl weapon. But sometimes a better mace will out dps a lower level Axe.

You should never leave battle stance. You have things to take up 100% of your GCD without ever leaving the stance.

So what you're saying here is that I wait until 30% ArP on gear, then gem MORE ArP on?

loquatious · #**273** 07-01-2009, 07:48 AM

Source: immórtalthepaladin
So what you're saying here is that I wait until 30% ArP on gear, then gem MORE ArP on?

The spreadsheets give you Strength equivalency points. Until your armor penetration % (Excluding battle stance) exceeds 30% you will get more bang for your gem buck by putting in pure STR gems. After 30% ArP starts getting more valuable.

immórtalthepaladin · #**274** 07-01-2009, 02:45 PM

Source: loquatious
The spreadsheets give you Strength equivalency points. Until your armor penetration % (Excluding battle stance) exceeds 30% you will get more bang for your gem buck by putting in pure STR gems. After 30% ArP starts getting more valuable.

Sorry that my english is insanely suckish, but you're saying that I should gem str, until my normal gear ArP bouns is 30% (without Bstance), and THEN gem ArP?

**shiz98** · #**275** 07-03-2009, 09:24 AM

Sort of. You can never really gear in a vacuum, so it's never down to a simple ArP vs. Strength scenario. You will pick up ArP, and you will also pick up STR. Until your ArP hits 30%, you focus on STR primarily. You'll still end up getting some ArP just due to the nature of gearing. When that ArP ends up hitting 30%, then you start going full blown ArP over STR.

It's also important to realize when you can drop STR for ArP. Gearing for STR doesn't mean you take STR over everything else; in many cases you'll want to drop some STR to get a larger increase in ArP/Crit.

breakwind · #**276** 07-03-2009, 03:29 PM

I cant get that macro to work is it outdated?,it just says shield must be equipped

Avengedagain · #**277** 07-03-2009, 04:48 PM

Is Imp Cleave 3/3 worth getting for better AoE? or would it be better to get 5/5 Commanding Presence?

Lizana · #**278** 07-03-2009, 05:53 PM

5/5 commanding unless you have another warrior in the raid with it, its not just a dps boost for you but for your entire raid

**Ship** · #**279** 07-04-2009, 01:26 PM

Have another thought in regards to DPS.
Currently using a Mace, the Titansteel Destroyer. It is all know to be the best crafted 2-hand as of yet. Gives 186,5 DPS. But would not two 1-hand maces of say 143 DPS each give a better overaul DPS? Fury warriors use two 2-hand, but based on the talents in Arms would not two 1-hand axes/maces do the most DPS instead of a single 2-hand?
Can someone smart explain this?

Thanks a lot.

Thoose of you checking my armory recently and don't see any update? Well my game computer broke and I ordeded a new Alienware with dual graphics, (not cheap). Was promised two weeks delivery, still waiting. Called Dell to ask when the bl**dy thing would arrive and they can't tell but they already recieved the payment.... Hopefully next week. So I can't play but on the other hand it gives me time to study all forums in the hunt for the optimal solution. Need I say that I have found the best forum?

Lizana · #**280** 07-04-2009, 02:00 PM

First off with DW you would start missing auto attacks, second, MS, slam, deep wounds, and OP all deal damage based on your weapon damage. Reducing the damage of the weapon for a 1 handed weapon will mean every attack but rend and execute will have its damage decreased.

Basically you would end up with a decrease of white damage from increased misses, and a decrease in yellow damage from your specials hitting softer. Not worth it