Deathknight DK Frost DPS

Daath · #1 03-11-2009, 06:21 AM

I need some help, for some extremely odd reason i am doing really poopy dps even with have 2/5 tier 7 and 1 tier 7.5

is it my gemming? my weapon? my rotation, which is IT-PS-BS-BS-FS-IT-PS-HB-OB-FS?

here is my armory. i would also like you to tell me how much dps i should be put outing.

Thanks.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Bryenne · #2 03-11-2009, 07:01 AM

The only comment I could make about your gear is that you may want to replace some of your +hit gems with +expertise. Soft cap for expertise is 26, after which point hit or expertise is equally good. Techincally, for dps classes, you shouldn't have to worry about this (as mobs cannot parry when attacked from behind), but ideal positioning is never guaranteed, so why not go the safe way about it?

I have to assume you're talking about single target dps, based on your listed rotation. I also notice some missing links in your rotation; your runes are not being used in an optimal order. For single target, you will get better rune cooldown rotation with:
IT-PS-BS-BS-OB-FS-FS - IT-PS-OB-OB-FS-FS-X.
The break is to show when your runes should be coming back up, starting the second rotation, after which you go back to the first. The X at the end of the second rotation is a 2.5s gap, as you will have used up most of your runic power and all runes will be on CD. This is useful, because it allows you to make up for a missed attack, or refresh Horn of Winter for extra RP, or just makes up for human/server lag.

Armory does not show glyphs, so I do not know what you are using. You should have Obliterate, Icy Touch, and Frost Strike to make the above rotation work (someone check my math on runic power, I think it was right).

Daath · #3 03-11-2009, 07:20 AM

My rotation is that exactly, i just assumed most people will know that FS is my Runic Dump.

I have Obliterate and Icy Touch, i will try to find Frost Strike today, but i have the Plague Strike one. Which one is better?

What should my dps be at though, because i can't seem to break 2.3-2.5k in single target dps if i'm lucky. On trash i am even worse.

I can't really give up any hit, it is at 299 if i am not mistaken, isnt the cap for that 282? I know i need some more enchants as well.

Gorgrim Warcry · #4 03-11-2009, 08:05 AM

Current frost rotations shouldnt be using PS it is a DPS loss at least until after the patch.

Your gear is not really to the point to support a Frost DPS build yet but I assume you are frost for a reason otherwise I would suggest unholy until you are a bit better geared.

If you are staying frost i would suggest dropping the points out of frost to go 21 in to blood. I can't link the build here at work but it should be in tonys dk thread stickyed up top.

Your have 2 rotations to use in the current 21/50 frost dps build.

Standard OB rotation in Blood Presence
1) BT>IT>OB>OB>BS>FS
IT>OB>BS>OB>FS
And yes use only one blood strike per rotation.
HB on rime procs only, FS on KM procs

IT spam rotation in Unholy Presence
2) OB>OB>BS>ITx6>FS
It is worth noting that you do not do 6 IT's in a row you want to slide your FS when needed to keep from capping your RP at no point should your RP cap use FS on killing machine procs and only use HB during rime procs.

With your current level of gear I would suggest the IT spam build as you really dont have the gear to support a strike heavy rotation at this point. Good luck.

insano08 · #5 06-27-2009, 11:05 AM

[quote=Gorgrim Warcry;192173]Current frost rotations shouldnt be using PS it is a DPS loss at least until after the patch.

I hope your not talking about frost dps..because if your on a boss it's good to have blood plague and frost fever on him, as well it makes your obliterate hit higher because it does more dmg with both diseases.

You should hit IT-PS-BS-BS-OB-FS-FS-OB-OB-OB-FS and repeat..

The TWO blood strikes allow them to become death runes for when they cooldown, this will allow you to add another obliterate in your rotation.

Also If your against XT in ulduar or another boss where you get a certain amount of time to do straight dps you should pop this rotation..you will for sure get over 3-4k during this rotation..

IT-PS-BS-BS-Unbreakable Armor-Empower rune weapon-OB-OB-FS-FS-FS-OB-OB-IT-PS-OB then back to original..

you might think this is confusing but hey, who said DK's just faceroll? lmao

insano08 · #6 06-27-2009, 11:06 AM

Btw you should be hitting 8k+ on your obliterates and Frost strikes

alesna · #7 06-27-2009, 05:47 PM

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8,8k dps @ Hodir Hardmode 10man with Frost Specc..

was nice ^^

**Bloodwraith** · #8 06-27-2009, 06:35 PM

Frozen Blows -- Frost DPS (Updated 06.11.09) - Elitist Jerks

This should help clarify a few things.

**Krenian** · #9 06-28-2009, 04:09 PM

Harsh Blood, you link something to EJ and not my guide

**Bloodwraith** · #10 06-28-2009, 04:19 PM

Source: Krenian
Harsh Blood, you link something to EJ and not my guide

Sorry =P

I don't PvE much but whenever I look something up I just usually go there out of habit. I'll try to link to yours from now on

**Krenian** · #11 06-28-2009, 05:39 PM

Forgiven..for now.

Chiron · #12 06-30-2009, 09:16 AM

I use a slightly different rotation to utilize more Frost Strike dumping and maintaining the best damage you can do with Frost Strike Dumping.

IT-PS-BS-BS-OB-FSx-OB-IT-IT-OB-FSx

Rinse and repeat. The Icy Touch in the second part of the rotation helps generate more runic power and maintains a disease for harder hitting Frost Strikes.

**Krenian** · #13 06-30-2009, 10:45 AM

Hrm, I'm not sure two ITs would beat an Obliterate to be honest with you. Just my thoughts but really, you get a lot of RP anyway as Frost that two ITs will overload you. Also, you should have Epidemic so you're just refreshing your Frost Fever in the middle of the tick.

I'd stick with the 3xOBs personally.

**xKhellendrosx** · #14 06-30-2009, 10:48 AM

its not a matter of the 2 IT's beating an obliterate, its using the 2 IT's + Glyph of icy touch and chill of the grave to generate 50 RP where Obliterate would only generate 25. I believe it gives you enough RP for at least one more FS in the backend of the "rotation"

**Krenian** · #15 06-30-2009, 10:50 AM

Hrm...wonder how much RP that would generate and if you'd have to weave it through then.

**xKhellendrosx** · #16 06-30-2009, 10:53 AM

with frost dps you should be weaving FS in between the rotation anyhow to make the best use of KM procs. The vast majority of the builds damage comes from Frost Strike. you figure 2x OB and 2x it is 100 RP right there, so thats at least 3 Frost strikes.

**Krenian** · #17 06-30-2009, 10:55 AM

Probably. Weaving is best however in no means necessary to achieve good DPS. Min/maxing it, for sure it's easier to weave. However I hate having to watch for Procs and having to deal with a bunch of AoE crap going in my screen, I'm happier with a solid rotation without having to weave st00fs in. Maybe it's just me and not being able to adapt to the whole weaving concept, and maybe it's because I don't have my keys properly binded to make a more fluid rotation.

either way, it makes me a sad panda.

**xKhellendrosx** · #18 06-30-2009, 10:59 AM

Frost dps is kind of tricky in that way though, if your not making the best use of those KM procs, you tend to fall behind pretty far behind Blood or Unholy. It is a bit annoying that you have to pay such close attention to procs though.

**Krenian** · #19 06-30-2009, 11:01 AM

Prolly need a mod like PowerAura to show when to use your FS. Have it so that anytime that KM procs, it shows the FS icon and you can just spam the button. That must make a pain in the arse way to play a rotation considering you're forced to prioritize FS over everything which could throw your rotation right out of the loop.

Gorgrim Warcry · #20 07-03-2009, 07:12 AM

You guys realize this thread was started 3 months ago right? :P

Source: insano08

I hope your not talking about frost dps..because if your on a boss it's good to have blood plague and frost fever on him, as well it makes your obliterate hit higher because it does more dmg with both diseases.

You should hit IT-PS-BS-BS-OB-FS-FS-OB-OB-OB-FS and repeat..

The TWO blood strikes allow them to become death runes for when they cooldown, this will allow you to add another obliterate in your rotation.

Also If your against XT in ulduar or another boss where you get a certain amount of time to do straight dps you should pop this rotation..you will for sure get over 3-4k during this rotation..

IT-PS-BS-BS-Unbreakable Armor-Empower rune weapon-OB-OB-FS-FS-FS-OB-OB-IT-PS-OB then back to original..

you might think this is confusing but hey, who said DK's just faceroll? lmao

It was true then and it is true now, top frost dps comes with out PS, it is still a loss. After the next patch however with the nerf to FS you will prob need to use it as FS will roughly be doing the dps of Obliterate....