WotLK Spec/Stats for 3.0 lvl70 raiding - Page 5

ebs2002 · #81 10-14-2008, 01:21 PM

max ap/ArP and 2,5 speed with flurry

How do you get "max ap"? What's "max ArP" in 3.0? And how can you maintain high AP, high ArP, and enough crit to keep up flurry?

**Tonypablos** · #82 10-14-2008, 02:43 PM

See, again you say try this and again you don't push your proof to us. That's called Heresy and not enough evidence to prove your argument.

You need to show a valid picture, wws, or anything for that matter, that proves that a two handed 21/40 build was more dps than a fury build. Because I think a good chunk of the regulars, including myself, are calling you out on this. Worse off, you told me no heroisms or wf are available for you. Which is even worse for your case as a two hander's main source of damage back pre patch was with WF proc'ing and giving you sufficient rage to sustain a rotation.

it's like an old saying goes: "Put your money where your mouth is". Show the proof. Otherwise you're going to be looked as someone who's spouting nonsense to people who have tested and tried specs. It's like your max ap post you wrote a bit ago telling us you were testing ap...first off, why. Second off, it wouldn't even be logical to just focus on one stat because the warrior class is not built off of just one stat.

You gave ideas and suggestions that have no foundation whatsoever on the Warrior class. I'm sorry, but I'm just not buying it.

ebs2002 · #83 10-14-2008, 03:35 PM

Source: Tonypablos
See, again you say try this and again you don't push your proof to us. That's called Heresy and not enough evidence to prove your argument.

I believe you mean "hearsay", which is "an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor"

Heresy, on the other hand, is "An opinion or a doctrine at variance with established religious beliefs". Which I guess applies if you consider Theorycrafting and the WoW community as a religion...

**Tonypablos** · #84 10-14-2008, 04:07 PM

Source: ebs2002
I believe you mean "hearsay", which is "an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor"

Heresy, on the other hand, is "An opinion or a doctrine at variance with established religious beliefs". Which I guess applies if you consider Theorycrafting and the WoW community as a religion...

Ok, I seriously need to work on my english at this point.

Not only do I get corrected about a misuse of a word, but I couldn't even push my question in a quirky fashion to a friend of mine. I think I'm losing my touch

**Kazeyonoma** · #85 10-14-2008, 05:57 PM

poor tony.

Taobaibai · #86 10-14-2008, 06:21 PM

well tony , when i look at ur armory , i see u are t4 t5 ...
so why u write things like that ? i do more with 2h fury than dualwield ...

thats IT !!! i also have the badge weapons , so why should i dont use them ?? BECAUSE , i do more with 2h fury !!!!
and dualwield fury isnt that hard to play !! u know that its only spamm 2-3 buttons and thats it!!

well i just say i have enough crit hit arp and only go on str/ap (But tonight everything will change . I will go on max haste)
so whats wrong with that? i guess u know that more ap = more bloodthirst dmg

but tomorrow MS Spec will outdmg fury

**Tonypablos** · #87 10-14-2008, 06:26 PM

Source: Taobaibai
well i just say i have enough crit hit arp and only go on str/ap
so whats wrong with that? u know that more ap = more bloodthirst dmg

so how can i prove this... i think i need to do a vid ^^

can anyone tell me whats a good programm to make a video?

Right now it's moot as 3.0 is out. So forget about it. You'd have to show it before patch because you're stating that this was the case pre-patch. So now we can't test this and know if it is accurate due to the changes done in the game.

So unless you have a WWS of yourself being in 21/40, people will either have to take your word or just discredit you for not proving it. Saying what you have and not proving it by showing facts makes people suspicious. You've already got a lot of us thinking you're a little shifty due to the fact you fail to show us proof of it and we've done extensive testing.

So yeah, unless you have a recount SS show the dps, and even then, there's no way to know if you were 21/40 due to the changes..

..So let me rephrase: unless you have a previous WWS showing anything of the fact you were good dps as 21/40, then honestly, there's no proof and the ball's in your court to prove us wrong.

Taobaibai · #88 10-14-2008, 06:32 PM

well im gonna try 2h fury tomorrow again ... because of swingtimer no reset anymore u can go on max haste now ...

wíth flurry i will get under 2.00 speed

Malkieri · #89 10-14-2008, 06:43 PM

tony, i believe 21/40 played a lot like a HS spam MS spec, as such it was good dps once you reached about 2800-3000 ap raid buffed. i raided a few times with it and did decent dps (don't have wws reports). i'm not sure if it was more than the normal 33/28 for personal dps but i can attest that 33/28 is going to be better for your raid everytime. this post is in now way me defending taobaibai as i feel the same way you do about him. it's more for just information.

and if you armort tcovenant on exodar you'll see that i at least have decent enough gear to support that i kinda know my stuff (else i wouldn't be raid lead and one of the better dps in my guild).

thank you and kazey for all your hard work on ptr testing, i'm lookin forward to tryin out 53/8 tonight as soon as servers work.

Taobaibai · #90 10-14-2008, 07:01 PM

Source: Malkieri
tony, i believe 21/40 played a lot like a HS spam MS spec, as such it was good dps once you reached about 2800-3000 ap raid buffed. i raided a few times with it and did decent dps (don't have wws reports). i'm not sure if it was more than the normal 33/28 for personal dps but i can attest that 33/28 is going to be better for your raid everytime. this post is in now way me defending taobaibai as i feel the same way you do about him. it's more for just information.

and if you armort tcovenant on exodar you'll see that i at least have decent enough gear to support that i kinda know my stuff (else i wouldn't be raid lead and one of the better dps in my guild).

thank you and kazey for all your hard work on ptr testing, i'm lookin forward to tryin out 53/8 tonight as soon as servers work.

yep 2h fury is only usable with 3k ap raidbuffed min.

21/40 <--- at this time if u go under 2,5 speed its useless for 2h.

thats why u can change to 2 x onehands to use heroism and max speed(i use dual dragonstrikes) but even have the heroic badge weapons .

by the way when everything proccs/buffs i get over 5k ap !! still have a screenshot of that ... and that wasnt 'still' max.

After i will test 53/8 tomorrow , i will try 2h fury again ...

(sry for bad INGLISCH :P) hope u all understand what i mean

**Tonypablos** · #91 10-14-2008, 07:42 PM

Source: Malkieri
tony, i believe 21/40 played a lot like a HS spam MS spec, as such it was good dps once you reached about 2800-3000 ap raid buffed. i raided a few times with it and did decent dps (don't have wws reports). i'm not sure if it was more than the normal 33/28 for personal dps but i can attest that 33/28 is going to be better for your raid everytime. this post is in now way me defending taobaibai as i feel the same way you do about him. it's more for just information.

and if you armort tcovenant on exodar you'll see that i at least have decent enough gear to support that i kinda know my stuff (else i wouldn't be raid lead and one of the better dps in my guild).

thank you and kazey for all your hard work on ptr testing, i'm lookin forward to tryin out 53/8 tonight as soon as servers work.

Honestly, I am not saying it's bad DPS. Really, I'm not. I can't prove it because I've never raided as a 21/40 build. But to me, it seems to be that a 21/40 build is a personal dps and by all rights and purposes, if you want to go on a personal dps standard, Fury's the way to go pre-patch

Let me re-iterate this: By no means am I saying Fury 2 handers are not viable or decent damage. I'm stating that you're probably better off going Fury two weapons for better dps than the two hander. Most if not all tests have shown that about it.

Anyway, I think I've said my peace about it. I'm not criticizing you at all Mal so please don't take it that way. I just have always seen Fury 2 handers fall short compared to their dual wield counterpart. Call me skeptic but I haven't seen it happen unless a fury was terrible.

Abelone · #92 10-14-2008, 09:34 PM

Hey there,

Brand new here and it looks like you guys have some major insight. I have some T6/t6 equivalent gear along with some season 2 gear. I was lucky to get a Soul Cleaver just recently and let me tell you was that the best thing ever.... than the patch came and I was cofused as hell on what spec I should do and now I can def. see that it will be Arms. How do you guys feel about Soulcleaver and some armor penetration gear ( while not losing out on other stats) lets say about 500-600 with the axe without executioner procked. Is it worth it? I guess there is a lot of questions that I asked here hope I dont get too many cofused hehe I can try to rephrase if necesarry.

ebs2002 · #93 10-14-2008, 09:38 PM

500-600

Is that rating? Or static armor pen? Because there's no more armor pen, there's only armor pen rating. And it's weaker than it was before, unfortunately

robowarriorx · #94 10-14-2008, 09:44 PM

Not to be off track here, but I always liked 2h fury with points in both arms and fury, it was so worth it for imp slam. But now that imp slam is in arms, it looks to be a whole new game. BTW, how is the sword proc "nerf"? I hesitate to call it that though, i never had sword procs happening back to back, but I was curious, is it really hurting dps? I have all three of the t3 BS 2 handers, but I also have blazefury, so I would rather keep that and use the lionheart when dual specs come out. Thoughts?

Taobaibai · #95 10-15-2008, 04:16 AM

Source: Tonypablos
Honestly, I am not saying it's bad DPS. Really, I'm not. I can't prove it because I've never raided as a 21/40 build. But to me, it seems to be that a 21/40 build is a personal dps and by all rights and purposes, if you want to go on a personal dps standard, Fury's the way to go pre-patch

Let me re-iterate this: By no means am I saying Fury 2 handers are not viable or decent damage. I'm stating that you're probably better off going Fury two weapons for better dps than the two hander. Most if not all tests have shown that about it.

Anyway, I think I've said my peace about it. I'm not criticizing you at all Mal so please don't take it that way. I just have always seen Fury 2 handers fall short compared to their dual wield counterpart. Call me skeptic but I haven't seen it happen unless a fury was terrible.

Because u never saw a 2h fury warrior? or the 2h fury played without slam... or he just sucked ? did u ever thinked about that?

just found an old wws , me as 2h fury

Wow Web Stats <-- without wf totem and bm hunter

Manxmadman · #96 10-15-2008, 05:49 AM

Been doing a bit of reading, thinking and was wondering if this sounded like a half decent rotation for using a 53/8 Arms spec (bear in mind I'm a two 1hand fury warrior normally)

Bladestorm, MS, Rend, Slam to fill in the blank spots, and use Overpower/Execute when they proc from Rend/Sudden Death.

The reasoning behind this was that by getting Blade and MS in, I get those on CD straight away, and get them ticking over, and then apply rend onto the target (hopefully with the glyph once I can get a hold of it), and then from then on just use Slams when nothing is lite up, be that Overpower or Execute. Then of course once MS and Blade are off CD, hit them.

Now here's a question, if by some chance, both Sudden Death and Rend proc, should I go for execute or overpower as the first option?

Urhan · #97 10-15-2008, 06:05 AM

Source: Manxmadman
Now here's a question, if by some chance, both Sudden Death and Rend proc, should I go for execute or overpower as the first option?

Execute. You're guaranteed to have rage left to OP afterwards, and the OP has a decent chance of procing another sudden death.

Taobaibai · #98 10-15-2008, 06:21 AM

Source: Manxmadman
Been doing a bit of reading, thinking and was wondering if this sounded like a half decent rotation for using a 53/8 Arms spec (bear in mind I'm a two 1hand fury warrior normally)

Bladestorm, MS, Rend, Slam to fill in the blank spots, and use Overpower/Execute when they proc from Rend/Sudden Death.

The reasoning behind this was that by getting Blade and MS in, I get those on CD straight away, and get them ticking over, and then apply rend onto the target (hopefully with the glyph once I can get a hold of it), and then from then on just use Slams when nothing is lite up, be that Overpower or Execute. Then of course once MS and Blade are off CD, hit them.

Now here's a question, if by some chance, both Sudden Death and Rend proc, should I go for execute or overpower as the first option?

overpower

Brainwreck · #99 10-15-2008, 08:39 AM

Source: Taobaibai
Because u never saw a 2h fury warrior? or the 2h fury played without slam... or he just sucked ? did u ever thinked about that?

just found an old wws , me as 2h fury

Wow Web Stats <-- without wf totem and bm hunter

I don't understand what this proves...there is only one dps warrior in there. On top of that you never broke 1100 dps which is not really that impressive...

Source: Taobaibai
overpower

Do you have any reasoning for this or did you just flip a coin?

Taobaibai · #**100** 10-15-2008, 09:15 AM

lol that is mh...

and by the way
first use all cd's and then execute ... but its ur choice.