WotLK Spec/Stats for 3.0 lvl70 raiding - Page 4

Macksie · #61 10-14-2008, 05:13 AM

Out of curiosity with the 53-8 build Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft what rotation do you use? Is it the standard MS/Slam rotation but with sudden death and overpower procs whenever they come up? Also due to the change in slam not resetting the swing timer does it matter quite so much with getting a swing timer mod?

fingers · #62 10-14-2008, 05:28 AM

as has been said in a few other posts.. keep rend up at all times to get the op procs..

So overpower, mortal strike and execute when u can and use bladestorm whenever its rdy.

slam is only really used as a rage dump. but tbh you will not find a lot of room to slam with everything else going on..

Oh and get the rend glyph to reduce the amount of times u are having to spam rend.

I hope this helps.

Oh and maybe try specking Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft. Just a thought.

Manxmadman · #63 10-14-2008, 05:33 AM

The post is something that I'm quite interested in. I've played a fury warrior since day 1 of raiding and enjoy it quite a lot, but it seems that between the patch and Lich King, that Arms spec will be the best way for me to pull maximum DPS and also help the raid. So with the change to slam that now pauses your swing timer, hence removing clipping, how easy is it going to be to pick up the Arms rotation and get the DPS heading in the right direction?

I've flicked through the Arms DPS thread, and I intended on doing a bit more in depth reading later this evening, but I'd just like an indication if I'm likely to encounter any great difficulties in switching, apart from the normal getting used to it stuff.

fingers · #64 10-14-2008, 05:56 AM

Its no more difficult than fury, its just all in slow motion :P

ebs2002 · #65 10-14-2008, 06:23 AM

Why 2/3 Two-Handed Weapon Spec, and 1/1 Anger Management? Wouldn't 3/3 Two-Handed spec be better than 20 rage per minute? Hell, the white damage alone should make up for 20 rage per min.

fingers · #66 10-14-2008, 06:53 AM

Source: ebs2002
Why 2/3 Two-Handed Weapon Spec, and 1/1 Anger Management? Wouldn't 3/3 Two-Handed spec be better than 20 rage per minute? Hell, the white damage alone should make up for 20 rage per min.

Anger management guarantees the rage per minute.. where as you always have the chance to miss your attacks.. so a % increase in damage on a miss is still 0.

its just speculation as ive not been able to get a character coppied onto the ptr.. I dont imagine it will take long for the cookie cutter speck to emerge :}

Taobaibai · #67 10-14-2008, 07:17 AM

tony thats right but thats wasnt a good bt run ....

and u know its without windfury and heroism

and im near at maxequip and i slam perfectly (not even need swingtimer addon) ... so i guess the one who pull 2k at teron is max t6/sunwell eq ?
and maybe fury dualwield? never seen a support ms warry who pulls 2k dps on teron without windfury heroism...

**Narshe** · #68 10-14-2008, 07:21 AM

Put just 1 point in Unrelenting Assault. Rend only ticks once in 3 seconds, if you have enough expertise you are not gonna get more than one overpower each 3 seconds, so you don't need 1-second cd on op.

**Tonypablos** · #69 10-14-2008, 07:21 AM

Well that's silly then. Arms is very weak without windfury's current state as it adds a lot of damage and you're not as ragestarved. With all due respect, if you're not getting WF, you're almost better off at that point going Fury due to it's massive personal dps upgrade over Arms. Arms is picky about that. You'd probably see a bigger increase going Fury over arms if you don't have WF or Heroism to help out, no matter how many stats you play with. It's just the nature of the spec.

Of course, this will change with the new 3.0 patch. WF doesn't do that no more and they seem to have stabilized the rage issue so who knows. I was just biting at that and saying that the dps is lacking and no matter what kind of build you try, if you don't have the necessity skills or group to actually make Arms do well, it won't be as good as Fury's two one hander dps pre patch.

But honestly? the point is moot. Why? because patch 3.0 changes all that!

Taobaibai · #70 10-14-2008, 07:34 AM

yep i know this , as u see i didnt even drinked a hastepot.

We allready have a dualwield fury as u see , we have the same equipment level.

and if we have 33/28 and dual fury warry in raid , i go on 2h fury

I do more dmg with 2h fury than dualwield (use the perfect rotation)

but even without windfury totem etc i pull good dps with 33/28 .

because when i get heroism i can switch to my heroic badge weapons dualwield

I AM NOT A WANNABE WARRIOR NOOB... i know my class and i know how to play it

and yes 3.0 will change many ^^
now every noob can play 2h Slam...

**Tonypablos** · #71 10-14-2008, 07:54 AM

Source: Taobaibai
yep i know this , as u see i didnt even drinked a hastepot.

We allready have a dualwield fury as u see , we have the same equipment level.

and if we have 33/28 and dual fury warry in raid , i go on 2h fury

I do more dmg with 2h fury than dualwield (use the perfect rotation)

but even without windfury totem etc i pull good dps with 33/28 .

because when i get heroism i can switch to my heroic badge weapons dualwield

I AM NOT A WANNABE WARRIOR NOOB... i know my class and i know how to play it

and yes 3.0 will change many ^^
now every noob can play 2h Slam...

I'd like you to show me a raid run when you get it done over a fury warrior. Say on Teron, as the Fury warrior has no penalty or anything like that. Show me that a 21/40 build beats a fury pre patch cause so far, i've yet to see anyone able to beat a pure Fury spec for personal dps. Call me skeptic but I don't think your Fury's doing the right job if he's doing that.

But anyway, You should of had Blood Frenzy in your spec even if you were 33/28, no excuses. But it's moot, yet again, because of 3.0 and changing everything.

No one can play a two hand slam anymore, because it's not good enough dps. They all do Spam Slam bahahah.

ebs2002 · #72 10-14-2008, 09:57 AM

Source: fingers
Anger management guarantees the rage per minute.. where as you always have the chance to miss your attacks.. so a % increase in damage on a miss is still 0.

its just speculation as ive not been able to get a character coppied onto the ptr.. I dont imagine it will take long for the cookie cutter speck to emerge :}

... if you're hit capped, your chances of missing are only on dodges. Dodges = Overpower. Or, if you have Shard of Contempt + Racial bonus + 4exp from talents, that's 20 expertise, or 5% dodge reduction. Bosses have a 6.5% dodge chance, so I'm only missing 1.5% of all my attacks.

I'll take 2% more damage on 98.5% of my attacks, over 20 rage per minute (which gives me...what? An extra slam each minute?)

My spec:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

fingers · #73 10-14-2008, 10:43 AM

Source: ebs2002
... if you're hit capped, your chances of missing are only on dodges. Dodges = Overpower. Or, if you have Shard of Contempt + Racial bonus + 4exp from talents, that's 20 expertise, or 5% dodge reduction. Bosses have a 6.5% dodge chance, so I'm only missing 1.5% of all my attacks.

I'll take 2% more damage on 98.5% of my attacks, over 20 rage per minute (which gives me...what? An extra slam each minute?)

My spec:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Well.. in your initial post you never mentioned being hit capped or using shard of contempt.. You seem to have it all worked out already... so why ask about the speck i posted, unless ofc you were just spoiling for an arguement

ebs2002 · #74 10-14-2008, 10:52 AM

I wasn't spoiling for an argument, or singling you out. Every spec I've seen showed 2/3 2h-spec and 1/1 anger management, and none with 3/3 2h-spec and no AM. Was wondering what the reasoning was

IMO, you should expect arms warriors to be hit capped, and having a shard of contempt is more common than not having it at this point in the game. Thus, I would expect the norm to have 3/3 2h-spec, but it's the opposite of what I'm seeing.

**Kazeyonoma** · #75 10-14-2008, 11:19 AM

glad to see you're back curnguz, we've missed you lol.

Taobaibai · #76 10-14-2008, 11:54 AM

nope hes no noob , just look his equip , its best before sunwell.

Well actually many people dont know about 2h fury ... thats why many people think it dont make dmg lol .

I am thinking about going on max haste for 2h slam ...

ebs2002 · #77 10-14-2008, 12:14 PM

Haha, yeah Kaz, I underwent a bunch of life changes. Got married, moved, got a puppy, and was without a job for a little bit as I searched (most of my TankSpot time was while I was at work). Finally got another job and I'm back in the swing of things :-p

**Kazeyonoma** · #78 10-14-2008, 12:18 PM

Hey glad to see you got your life back on track, and congratulations on getting married! What kinda puppy did you get? lol (I'm an animal lover)

Back on Topic:

No one is saying 2hfury isn't unheard of. Many of us were around in pre-BC when 2hand fury was actually a very viable dps spec, it's just lots of people like to "claim" that they do this much but actually don't, or have special catering for themselves to have beaten everyone else in the raid. Unless you can post screenshots and WWS Parses, we can't merely go by your hearsay that 2hfury beat out 17/44 dw fury pre-patch.

Which btw, is besides the point since once 3.0 hits, 53/8/0 will probably be the ideal spec for dps for a while.

ebs2002 · #79 10-14-2008, 12:54 PM

A male yellow lab who alternates between being the most adorable creature in the whole world, and the creature I'd most like to stab repeatedly with a rusty fork. Luckily, I've got enough patience to deal with him

And to go back on topic myself:

2h fury was good. Then it was not. I suspect that it still is not, but I have no empirical data to back that up. It just doesn't make sense that it would be better than 2h arms, considering how unfriendly a lot of the fury tree is to two-handed fighting (dw spec, flurry falling off before you use each charge, whirlwind doing less damage with a single 2h than with two 1h or two 2h, etc)

Taobaibai · #80 10-14-2008, 01:15 PM

try fury 2h with max ap/ArP and 2,5 speed with flurry and u will see