[Tonypablos]

Uh..beta testers and live testers have ALL tested the different specs and at this time, ARMS is the higher dps. You're trying to refute a lot of information from different people who have tested by simple heresy. Also, your spec puts five points into parry of all things, which absolutely NO dps increase at all. move a couple of points and I tested this build with the two handers I have and it did NOT preform better, whether you have hit or not.

Stop spouting Heresy. At least back it up with some sort of rotation or even numbers with proof of said numbers, say...a screenshot?

You'd get more damage out of putting 2 more points in HS than having 5 points in Parry. So even your spec at this time is flawed. So please take the time to go check my Prelim tests thread before saying we 'didn't try out the spec you linked.'

[Narshe]

My character name returned again to Narshe, I will edit my profile.
Currently with my gear I will probably have to regem to get more hit if I'm going TG, so I think I will stay in arms, as most of my gear is STR/CRIT/APen
I think I would have to use pvp rings because I doubt that the Angelista/ZA combo is obsolete due to the nerf to APen. Need to make a lot of numbers and I don't have mats or different pieces of gear to switch and try, that's why I came to ask.

Regardles of your different PoWs or tests, I know there is something wrong with ur TG spec Huangism. All threads I've found get always Incite instead of Arms tree. Arms tree have no DPS talents available, but Incite can help the few things you press HS, specially if you have HS glyph.


@ Tony:
I know it's a HUNTER WPN ZOMGPWPWLZER xDDDD
But looking at their stats, it have more AP, same haste, more crit (if you use a gem with some) and more range. It also falls under the Poleaxe spec. That's why I asked, but I thought I was gonna get a 100% "get this weapon for arms" answer :-P
I think I can have the badges needed to get a BoH as soon as patch is live, but for the best item in that slot, correct me if I'm wrong but it should be something like... Apolyon > Brutal axe > Felspine > BoH > Vengeful > Cataclysm or something like that?
I currently have enough points to buy Vengeful axe, but I was checking other options. (and I doubt my skillz at arena would get me to 2050 to buy a Brutal axe >.<).

[Kazeyonoma]

I don't know if Apolyon is better because axe spec is just proving so much better thanks to rolling deep wounds. But who knows. I think the Felspine would work although not optimal it's still a nice weapon.

And to Huangism, Arms is definitely the highest dps spec right now with guys passing 5kdps with base naxx gear. So if you haven't read up on the information please don't come here spreading inaccurate information. Likewise your spec is off, and another thing, just because my armory shows me in my pvp gear doesn't indicate anything, this is on LIVE what I wear, and unless you have some magical PTR armory you're looking me up on (which i'm spec'd arms btw not TG) you can't even confirm what spec/gear I have. On live I have stopped raiding and as such only PvP hence my gear. On the PTR I have much more gear itemized for hit instead of arP and it still doesn't increase my dps, it drops it most of the time, but in the rare case my miss streaks are sparse I get a small <5% dps increase. For you to claim that it is a HUGE increase of any sorts is absolutely wrong.

[Tatt]

Wow..this is getting epic. Huangism....are you not reading anyone else's information? Please do not base your posts on "My buddy's sister's dogsitter said his Dad was able to ZOMG roflstomp kara!!!" You said your friend in offspec dps gear can do 1500 dps in kara with TG. Congratulations. You are insulting and refuting people who are doing over 2000 dps LIVE RIGHT NOW. You are also not reading where Kaz has shown pics of arms warriors breaking 5000 dps in beta. I have yet to see even the biggest TG worshipper state that they have done over 2500 dps with it. 5000>2500. Your information is not only invalid, it is not helping your argument even if it was true. Unless blizzard suddenly changes the hit nerf, or adds a whole enw set of gear for fury warriors speccing into TG, it is broken, and there has yet to be a single piece of valid information to refute that.

[Narshe]

Source: Kazeyonoma I don't know if Apolyon is better because axe spec is just proving so much better thanks to rolling deep wounds. But who knows. I think the Felspine would work although not optimal it's still a nice weapon.

Ok ok, I will rush as many karazhans I can.
So how would you rate the current 2H weapons available?

Btw, I still can't see why you refer the Felspine as suboptimal compared with Blade of Harbingers for example.

[Tonypablos]

I'd have to look at both honestly Narshe. Think the top end's higher on the Blade + the stats benefit you more. Granted the BoH has absolutely NO stats...lemme dig it out.

...eeeeh, it's a marginal upgrade at best from what I can see. Felspine should do fine.

[Rid]

Expect an incoming nerf to arms, mmochampion is reporting blues saying that they're not sure what do about those reports of arms dps in naxx.

[Huangism]

Source: Tonypablos Uh..beta testers and live testers have ALL tested the different specs and at this time, ARMS is the higher dps. You're trying to refute a lot of information from different people who have tested by simple heresy. Also, your spec puts five points into parry of all things, which absolutely NO dps increase at all. move a couple of points and I tested this build with the two handers I have and it did NOT preform better, whether you have hit or not. Stop spouting Heresy. At least back it up with some sort of rotation or even numbers with proof of said numbers, say...a screenshot? You'd get more damage out of putting 2 more points in HS than having 5 points in Parry. So even your spec at this time is flawed. So please take the time to go check my Prelim tests thread before saying we 'didn't try out the spec you linked.'

perhaps you don't raid as much but parry is pretty important to fury survival. sure you can move those points to enraged or even improv cleave or improv hs, whatever the case it happens to be. last i heard narshe is looking for a raid spec.

my rotation is the same as regular fury, u do ur BTs and WW then when slam is instant u slam on GCD and use HS when you have the rage for it. burn your death wish on cooldown and recklessness. and your death wish should used every minute.

i read tons of posts people say 17/44 will beat out any other warr spec except when i had the 53 fury spec i beat out all of the 17/44 specs.

[Tatt]

YOU DON'T PARRY BECAUSE YOU ATTACK FROM BEHIND!!!!! Ok now that I have that off my chest congratulations, somehow your spec has outdps'd the spec that I found on 12 different websites, including elitistjerks, maxdps, wowhead, mmochampion......If a fury warrior needs 5 points in parry to survive raiding than he shouldn't be in the raid to begin with.

[Huangism]

Source: Tattman2an Wow..this is getting epic. Huangism....are you not reading anyone else's information? Please do not base your posts on "My buddy's sister's dogsitter said his Dad was able to ZOMG roflstomp kara!!!" You said your friend in offspec dps gear can do 1500 dps in kara with TG. Congratulations. You are insulting and refuting people who are doing over 2000 dps LIVE RIGHT NOW. You are also not reading where Kaz has shown pics of arms warriors breaking 5000 dps in beta. I have yet to see even the biggest TG worshipper state that they have done over 2500 dps with it. 5000>2500. Your information is not only invalid, it is not helping your argument even if it was true. Unless blizzard suddenly changes the hit nerf, or adds a whole enw set of gear for fury warriors speccing into TG, it is broken, and there has yet to be a single piece of valid information to refute that.

stop getting off topic, we are talking about a lvl 70 spec not beta
people who spec TG all switch gears trying their hardest to hit cap and losing all the other stats which is wrong. with t5/badge/t6 gear u dont need to cap hit just stick to what u got

[Tatt]

Lol off topic...so at 70, with around 200 or so hit rating, your "friend" is not getting rage starved? 2 misses in a row with 3.4-3.6 weapons will leave you standing their like a moron waiting to hit something. TG is worse at 70 then it is at 80, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

[Alent]

Source: Huangism perhaps you don't raid as much but parry is pretty important to fury survival.

Parry helping your survival... in a raid?

That would require you to have aggro... and you're going to be in 'zerker stance, w/ no shield...

[Tonypablos]

Source: Huangism perhaps you don't raid as much but parry is pretty important to fury survival. sure you can move those points to enraged or even improv cleave or improv hs, whatever the case it happens to be. last i heard narshe is looking for a raid spec. my rotation is the same as regular fury, u do ur BTs and WW then when slam is instant u slam on GCD and use HS when you have the rage for it. burn your death wish on cooldown and recklessness. and your death wish should used every minute. i read tons of posts people say 17/44 will beat out any other warr spec except when i had the 53 fury spec i beat out all of the 17/44 specs.

-cough- Hold up.

You're telling me that Parry is a survival tool in 70 raiding. What in the blue hell are you parrying exactly? The mob that's supposed to be tanked by your MT? Cause I can guarantee that the amount of parry you'll have as Fury will probably do eff all with the + to Parry.

Face it bud, that spec is bad. And I mean pretty bad. The fact that you're trying to have a survival type situation and are reducing your dps by not taking a talent PROVEN to raise your DPS by using the skill shows that you have absolutely no reasoning to Fury DPS.

Go reread a few of Corb and Meeks' DPS threads and then come back with an educated response. You have pretty much ridiculed yourself to the community with the 'knowledge' you are spouting about TG and DPS specs.

[klor]

Sounds like Kazey needs to get involved. Obvious troll is obvious. Wow forums are that way ------------->

[Narshe]

The only thing because we get parry and thunderclap is because you don't always have all the desired tanks in trash mobs and having a fury with tank gear and a shield can fit and tank those caster type mobs. And they are better fillers than Improved Rend (lolwut), Imp. Charge or Iron Will.

Plz, calm down both sides. If you want to declare a war, then bring here the numbers. This is not the official forums where you can anonymously rant and flame other ppl as you want.

From my current tests without glyphs or buffs and sub-par gear (gear I had 2 months ago) TG and Arms were doing similar dps.
My main question was, as I can't transfer epic yellow gems to test more hit in my gear, if TG with the proper gear was good or arms was the only choice (as you have 3 good glyphs to improve your dps by a lot, plus that you don't need to stack hit being an arms warrior).

I know TG at 80 is complete and should be doing good dps, but that's not the main point of this thread.

[Kazeyonoma]

Until screenshots, parses, or hard data is provided from both sides I won't let any further arguing of this point go forward, Narshe is intelligent enough to come to his own findings and ask specific questions that DONT need such arguing to ensue. Tony has already linked his data in another thread, as have I, but I won't continue this argument any further, if Narshe says he finds it comparable than it becomes a judgment call for his dps and if anything he'll give us more concrete findings as to which gives better dps. Until Huangism provides us with concrete data otherwise, I'm sticking by what I believe.

One thing though Narshe is that are you staying in battle stance, keeping rend up to proc overpowers? Someone who said that arms wasn't putting out as much damage as fury admitted to not doing this and when he changed, got bigger numbers for Arms immediately.

[Lilred]

hey new guy,
math dont lie, an arms warror with the same level of gear and can play the spec is higher dps than a fury spec. Bottom line.

I played both specs as a t6 raider before i left for basic training, just because you cant figure out or dont have the reaction time for slam spec dont talk trash about what most of us DPS warriors figured out months ago. It is proven to be higher dps.

[Kahmal]

Huangism please just stop before you make yourself look any dumber, Titan's Grip was a ridiculous idea in the first place. And it makes sense that Arms Warriors can dish out so much damage now now that they have another instant attack and dont need to pray for Windfury Procs.

Lets all just calm down....we dont wanna Enrage Ciderhelm

[Anik]

Source: Kahmal Huangism please just stop before you make yourself look any dumber, Titan's Grip was a ridiculous idea in the first place.

This.

As an Alpha and Beta tester I can tell you that Arms is currently the best DPS spec, especially in regarded to patch 3.0 and level 70.

Source: Huangism stop getting off topic, we are talking about a lvl 70 spec not beta people who spec TG all switch gears trying their hardest to hit cap and losing all the other stats which is wrong. with t5/badge/t6 gear u dont need to cap hit just stick to what u got

There is some truth to this. Titans Grip was producing good numbers with crit-stacking because it provided decent rage even with the hit penelty. Even so, it was/is not comparable to the Sudden Death builds.

Concerning weapons the hierarchy is Apolyon-> Felspine-> BoH-> Cat's Edge for Arms. They're changing Sudden Death to be 'chance on hit' rather than 'chance on crit' so axes are no longer a requirment of a deeps arms build. Hope this helps.

[Kazeyonoma]

yeh the change on sudden death makes it more viable for the other two specs more, but now i worry that it will become overpowered since on hit % means every hit you fire off can blow a SD proc.