[Sepulture]

My rotation before was suboptimal. Also the buffs from the enhancement shaman had a multiplying affect on my dps. Because I am new to the cycle, I used a /castrandom execute, overpower macro to ensure I didn't miss reactive attacks that popped up on my SCT. It made a world of difference.

Add an axe, a glyph, food, flask, scrolls, and full raid buffs and arms warriors are going to be contenders for the top of the charts.

[Kazeyonoma]

hrm, that's interesting that a castrandom gave you higher dps haha, I guess if you can absolutely hit every single one then it'll be even higher, but for your average schmoe, a cast random might work since it'll skip the ones that can't fire such as execute and overpower.

[Batuhan]

Heya, Im a long-time reader of the forums and learned a lot about Fury DPS and Tanking here, but now I have a question that hastn been answered before:

Does the 3.0 Arms spec need a certain kind of gear?
I mean I'm testing TG and Arms on the PTR and I dont get very good results with Arms.
I have ~2000ap unbuffed and 33% crit (with rampage/axe spec depending on my spec)

And with TG I deal ~1250DPS on those Training Dummies which is a DPS increase for me concerning 1h DW,
but only ~1100 with MS.
In my MS Rotation my priorities are Execute>MS>Overpower>Slam, so I only weave in slams If I nothing pops up or MS is on CD.
It kinda feels wierd, and it seems like there are times where constantly neither Execute nor overpower Pop up, forcing me to Slam for quite a while.
I havent tried this raidbuffed or in a group situation, the only thing I know is that it sucks to keep rend up on many targets when I have to switch a bit~
Am i doing something wrong?
I use the Rend Glyph and the prince Axe when using arms, and Stormherald+Prince axe while Titan Gripping.I know that those arent the best 2handers out there, but I was trying to improve my DPS gear before trying to get a good 2hander(and I thought that arms would still not be THAT good and I was aiming to go 1h DW for WOTLK at first)

Any Idea why my Arms dmg isnt that great?

[fingers]

well m8, the weapon use are using will have a lot to do with it.... im guessing ppl who are posting the figures are either using the boj axe or s3, s4...
Also im guessing as if you are using the prince axe you are prolly only kara geared. maybe try again with a copied character and try it with bt/hyjal gear and im guessing you figures will increase a great deal.

there is also a bit of speculation as to whether you should be doing weaving slams.. do you have enough crit to keep flurry up.

i personally have always been a 17/44 fury warrior and have only specked arms slam build to go into sunwell

Unlike fury where you can mash your head againt the keyboard now and then to get good figures, arms requires a lot more timing, ie hitting slam and missing your auto attack..

Oh, and 1 last thing, forget TG atm.. arm has be proven to be far superior.. wait until you hit L80 and get a bit of nax loot before you speck it

well thats just my attemt to try to help you.. im guessing one of the other guys who has done more arms testing may be able to help you more

[Urhan]

Source: Batuhan In my MS Rotation my priorities are Execute>MS>Overpower>Slam

Try Overpower>MS>Execute, but Execute>Overpower if only the two of them are up. Bladestorm on cooldown, too.

[shiz98]

Honestly, I've found the highest DPS rotation in my gear (which is somewhere around the T5 level - dey nerfed my ArP stacking ) is a Splam in Battle Stance, keeping Rend up and Overpowering when available. Specced like this.

It's beaten out the Sudden Death/MS/OP/Rend/Slam Arms build, and TG. I'm looking at the math on it, so I'm not sure if it just worked really well with my gear or not. YMMV.

[Batuhan]

Source: fingers well m8, the weapon use are using will have a lot to do with it.... im guessing ppl who are posting the figures are either using the boj axe or s3, s4... Also im guessing as if you are using the prince axe you are prolly only kara geared. maybe try again with a copied character and try it with bt/hyjal gear and im guessing you figures will increase a great deal. there is also a bit of speculation as to whether you should be doing weaving slams.. do you have enough crit to keep flurry up. i personally have always been a 17/44 fury warrior and have only specked arms slam build to go into sunwell Unlike fury where you can mash your head againt the keyboard now and then to get good figures, arms requires a lot more timing, ie hitting slam and missing your auto attack.. Oh, and 1 last thing, forget TG atm.. arm has be proven to be far superior.. wait until you hit L80 and get a bit of nax loot before you speck it well thats just my attemt to try to help you.. im guessing one of the other guys who has done more arms testing may be able to help you more

hmm It seems like you havent read my post right.
First of all I stated my AP and Crit % in it,
and how am I supposed to have Flurry with blade storm!?!
and my gear isnt that bad. I have a pretty much mixed set of DPS stuff ,ranging from Kara (cape,ring) to Sunwell niveau, with stuff from ZA,Heroic Marks vendor and Craftables from BT, and this still doesnt answer why my TG build is better than Arms because I would get the same results just with higher numbers!
And I know a lot about the MS Slammie Spec,have been playing it in a raid for quite a while.
so meh, you havent told me anything that I didnt knew :/

@urhan & shiz: Im gonna test your speccs out on the PTR. Maybe they will help.
the Flurry one seems interesting.

[fingers]

Source: Batuhan hmm It seems like you havent read my post right. First of all I stated my AP and Crit % in it, and how am I supposed to have Flurry with blade storm!?! and my gear isnt that bad. I have a pretty much mixed set of DPS stuff ,ranging from Kara (cape,ring) to Sunwell niveau, with stuff from ZA,Heroic Marks vendor and Craftables from BT, and this still doesnt answer why my TG build is better than Arms because I would get the same results just with higher numbers! And I know a lot about the MS Slammie Spec,have been playing it in a raid for quite a while. so meh, you havent told me anything that I didnt knew :/ @urhan & shiz: Im gonna test your speccs out on the PTR. Maybe they will help. the Flurry one seems interesting.

well im sorry for presuming your gear was kara based..!!!! If you are progressing so well through sw, why use the axe from prince to do your testing.. for this reason alone ppl will be getting better figures than you.

On a side note, as many other theory crafters have proved. With the current available gear TG sucks balls.. L80 with some nice nax epics im hoping will be a different story

[Batuhan]

Nah Im not raiding SW. but my Item equip is spread completely trough the game.
The thing is that I have seen good 2 handers but have never rolled on them, because I didnt need more then my Stormherald.

And I accept that Arms does the most dmg. this is not the problem. the problem is that my warrior is (was)doing more dmg with TG somehow.

@the 2 guys with the different rotas: Well the Flurry one didnt work out that good..
but the one where you have the execute>OP priority seems to work pretty good!
DPS went up, but the problem that I see is, that this build is gonna be hard to play for any boss that moves somehow or where you have to move :/

[Brainwreck]

So judging from this thread there really isnt a solid set in stone max dps rotation yet?

[Narshe]

Source: Sepulture My rotation before was suboptimal. Also the buffs from the enhancement shaman had a multiplying affect on my dps. Because I am new to the cycle, I used a /castrandom execute, overpower macro to ensure I didn't miss reactive attacks that popped up on my SCT. It made a world of difference. Add an axe, a glyph, food, flask, scrolls, and full raid buffs and arms warriors are going to be contenders for the top of the charts.

Can u tell me what gear did u used for those 2200 dps plz?
I'm having hard time to go over 1800 with my current gear (which is based in ArPen, I think that's the fault :P)

[ebs2002]

Sadly, I'm thinking of banking my Choker of Serrated Blades - Item - World of Warcraft for Worgen Claw Necklace - Item - World of Warcraft, because of ArPen's nerf.

Someone tell me that this is the wrong move. Please.

[Tonypablos]

ArP is still good..just uh..not as good as it used to be.

And depending on what spec you're going as, ebs...uhm, you might have to...especially if it's Titan's Grip of Misses. >.>;

[fingers]

Source: ebs2002 Sadly, I'm thinking of banking my Choker of Serrated Blades - Item - World of Warcraft for Worgen Claw Necklace - Item - World of Warcraft, because of ArPen's nerf. Someone tell me that this is the wrong move. Please.

Are you exalted with shattered sun order, and exalted with aldor.. If so get the neck piece from there.

[Nesnah]

Source: ebs2002 Sadly, I'm thinking of banking my Choker of Serrated Blades - Item - World of Warcraft for Worgen Claw Necklace - Item - World of Warcraft, because of ArPen's nerf. Someone tell me that this is the wrong move. Please.

I was curious about that necklace also.. I still have the Pendant of the Perilous - Item - World of Warcraft in my bank. Which would be better at this point?

[ebs2002]

I have that neck piece, the problem is that I was a fury warrior before this. I'm now going to a 53/8 build. I need to hit 142 hit rating now (previously only needed 95), so my options to replace are:

Tuskbreaker for SSC Thrown or Attumen's Crossbow
Cloak of Darkness for Moroes's cloak
Choker of Serrated Blades for Attumen's neck
Solarian's Sapphire for Romulo's Poison Vial
S4 Gloves for T4 gloves

And I need to pick up 26 hit rating along the way.

Maybe it's best to just drop Solarian's for Romulo's and tell the rogues to STFU. Otherwise, I need to swap out 2 pieces for more hit rating, and if ArP is nerfed, 70ap and 175arp isn't worth holding on to. I need to see more data to determine if arp is worthwhile I guess.

[skipx]

So the best pve (dps) dw build would be arms with nice axes?
can anyone confirm this? and if yes can anyone give me a build for lvl 70?

im still very confused between going fury but not TG
or
going arms with DW in mind

[ebs2002]

I don't think I'd go arms with DW in mind. I'd go fury without TG if you don't have a decent two hander.

Personally, I was grinding out two-handers for TG anyway, so I'm just making the switch to arms and using my badge axe (shelving the crappy Gorehowl that I got)

[skipx]

this would be what i was aiming for:
arms DW:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft LVL 70
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft LVL 80

pls discuss

[ebs2002]

There's no need for imp slam, you won't be slamming if you're dual wielding. I know there's not much else to put it in, but anything is better than an ability that's never used. Second Wind so you can pvp, Intercept for long fights that you move around in, charge for extra rage at the start of a fight, parry in case you pull aggro.

Also, I think I'd opt for Armed to the Teeth 3/3 and UW 2/5. A2T will give you more dps than UW, for sure.

Lastly, if you're going that deep in arms, you may as well get Blood Frenzy to increase your attack speed 6% and the raids physical damage 2% (which would off-set the 2pts you have in Imp DW). But then, one point in Imp DW doesn't make up for all the lost DPS you get from:
Overpower doing less damage because it's using a 1her,
MS doing less damage because it's using a 1her.

Analysis:
Pros:
- you do more damage with sudden death procs
- you get poleaxe spec so your crits do more damage
- your rage dump (heroic strike) doesn't stop your swing timer
Cons:
- you don't have blood frenzy
- you're losing damage on overpower and MS
- you don't have bladestorm or bonus damage from wrecking crew
- you're not generating more rage for Endless Rage

Personally, if I were set on dual wielding 1hers and getting axe spec, I'd use this instead:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
But I still don't like that spec as much as I like 2h arms or dropping axe spec for a 15/46 build like Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft


Your level 80 build, I can see performing better. I'm still not a huge fan, but it doesn't make me *facepalm* like your level 70 build does.