[Corbusier]

Oh, that's no problem.

[Ciderhelm]

Poking for pokeworthiness.

[Jathine]

ZOMG! I AM HELPING FURTHER THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE WARRIOR CLASS!!

Damn, this german beer makes me do some wierd shit. Warsteiner ftl

[Morgo]

You, sir, have finally seen the light!

What brought you to our nice country (and our good[I won't say best] beer?)?

Btw make sure to try out some other stuff, especially darker ones

[Galushi]

Nice read Corb. I'll be pointing dps warriors i know in the direction of this =)

[Jathine]

Source: Morgo You, sir, have finally seen the light! What brought you to our nice country (and our good[I won't say best] beer?)? Btw make sure to try out some other stuff, especially darker ones

I LOVE German beer. I'm half German and have been drinking good, dark german beers for a long time. Tonight I was pounding down a 12 pack of Warsteiner Dunkel. Its a damn nice beer. My personal favorite.

I'm still a little pissed that I ended up helping the common warrior instead of harassing them on the warrior forums. Being helpful makes me feel...dirty.

[Galushi]

Friendly, helpful warriors? What is the World (of warcraft) coming to!?!!?

[cyberryu]

I read from a tanking article (forgot which one), that the boss' dodge rate is 5.6%. So, what is it? 5.6% or 6.5%?

[Corbusier]

Source: cyberryu I read from a tanking article (forgot which one), that the boss' dodge rate is 5.6%. So, what is it? 5.6% or 6.5%?

EJ testing is pointing to 6.25-6.5%.

[Davi]

Source: Corbusier It is highly advisable that you NOT substitute fast weapons that are substantially lower DPS than your regular MH/OH, as this can actually result in less DPS.

What kind of ballpark are we talking about here?

Here are my specifics, as an example. I'm currently using [item]Vanir's Right Fist of Brutality[/item] and [item]Vanir's Left Fist of Brutality[/item] with executioner / potency respectively, but I'm debating whether or not I should enchant 2x [item]Quickening Blade of the Prince[/item] executioner / mongoose and use those for execute range. I could also just enchant one for my offhand and use that. Would this constitute a "substantial" difference? I realize it's ~11 dps, but as far as execute damage goes I'm also swapping 23 agility for 252 ArP. My weapons aren't going to be changing for a while, but will the relative difference change with the rest of my gear (as I collect more ArP for example)?

My only other haste is [item]Swiftsteel Shoulders[/item], which puts me at a 2.4 attack speed iirc, and my total ArP (with the fists) is no more than 200 normally.

My other question is about swapping ranged weapons for execute range. I've got [item]Vengeful Gladiator's War Edge[/item] equipped currently, but I figure if I'm swapping in 252 ArP on weapons, I might want to change out for [item]Ancient Amani Longbow[/item] when I can grab it.

Finally, I'm generally Protection so I'm curious how this applies without any flurry haste. I've a feeling that the speed difference with QBP might be that much more effective. Then again, I may be better off just using the ArP weapons for the Recklessness part of execute range.

[Corbusier]

Source: Davi What kind of ballpark are we talking about here? Here are my specifics, as an example. I'm currently using [item]Vanir's Right Fist of Brutality[/item] and [item]Vanir's Left Fist of Brutality[/item] with executioner / potency respectively, but I'm debating whether or not I should enchant 2x [item]Quickening Blade of the Prince[/item] executioner / mongoose and use those for execute range. I could also just enchant one for my offhand and use that. Would this constitute a "substantial" difference? I realize it's ~11 dps, but as far as execute damage goes I'm also swapping 23 agility for 252 ArP. My weapons aren't going to be changing for a while, but will the relative difference change with the rest of my gear (as I collect more ArP for example)? My only other haste is [item]Swiftsteel Shoulders[/item], which puts me at a 2.4 attack speed iirc, and my total ArP (with the fists) is no more than 200 normally. My other question is about swapping ranged weapons for execute range. I've got [item]Vengeful Gladiator's War Edge[/item] equipped currently, but I figure if I'm swapping in 252 ArP on weapons, I might want to change out for [item]Ancient Amani Longbow[/item] when I can grab it. Finally, I'm generally Protection so I'm curious how this applies without any flurry haste. I've a feeling that the speed difference with QBP might be that much more effective. Then again, I may be better off just using the ArP weapons for the Recklessness part of execute range.

That's a very good question, and I intentionally left that part vague because I haven't tested it extensively. Your example is in that grey area where I am unsure, and thus didn't set a hard number. For prot, since you lack flurry like you said, it is probably best to use the dual quickening blades. For fury it is less clear, do a couple tests on your own.

The Amani bow is better than the thrown in almost all cases.

[BoomBeef]

Excellent update. I think your tip about ArP stacking at T6 level is dead on. It is tough to balance with the badge gear from 2.3 which lacks other dps friendly stats which is why I have avoided most of it. I'd like to mention another source source for some ArP gear; the S3 Arena gear. Of course that involves some PvP but might be worth it in a few slots for folks looking to squeeze in ArP while waiting on Akama gloves and Bloodboil legs etc. to drop.
Heck, I'm thinking of going back to prot. spec to be able to run ZA so I can get that ArP bow as well now that Davi brought it up. Still kind of tough for me to get into ZA runs as Fury irregardless of the truckload of DPS I can do but oh well. Must get more ArP!

[Rex13]

Thanks both to Corb and Meeks for this guide in all its iterations. It has been a HUGE help to me since I dedicated myself to fury. I was yet another warrior socketed to the balls with hit gems. I've done a lot of reevaluation of my gear since I was referred to this guide and I've managed to get a lot of very solid gear. I haven't gotten a single drop from 25 mans yet but I've got my hit rating jacked up to 180 without a single hit gem socketed. Devoting those sockets to Strength and crit rating has been a HUGE boost to my dps. Thanks again for your work on this guide guys. Great stuff.

[Cayleb]

If you have a fairly respectable prot set, offer to off-tank for ZA as fury. I've done it several times, just switching to my prot gear for the bear and Lynx(and the occasional trash pull) and just in burn mode elsewise. I've done it with a paladin MTing and a druid MTing, both without issue. The added bonus is that the rest of the boss fights you aren't needed as tank in, you provide an absolute truckload of damage as well.

[Davi]

I went ahead and did some testing, still prot spec, on [item]Vanir's Right Fist of Brutality[/item] and [item]Vanir's Left Fist of Brutality[/item] versus [item]Quickening Blade of the Prince[/item] x2 as described in my earlier post.

I'll admit my data was a bit sloppy and my math was probably wrong somewhere, but the difference is large enough that I'm confident fist / fist is superior in my particular case. I'm guessing that adding Flurry to the mix will only make fist / fist better.


Here's a quick summary, keeping in mind (fist = 2.5 speed), (sword = 1.5 speed).

MH         OH      totalDPS   whiteDPS   executeDPS  avg execute  sec/execute (1.5 is ideal)
FIST       FIST       995       440       556          970              2.34
SWORD      SWORD      948       399       550          879              2.14
FIST       SWORD      957       419       539          985              2.56
SWORD      FIST       955       405       550          867              2.11

It is probably a result of the DPS discrepancy between the weapons I used, but I'm curious to know whether FAST mh / SLOW oh is the way to go for execute range. I'll try and post back when I have some more data.

[Bloodwraith]

Awesome guide, read it while I was stuck in an AV turtle. You basically covered every aspect of fury except for a question that always seem to be asked on the US forums:

"What stats for _________(Raid)"

Other than that the only other thing I can think of is your opinion on mods you should use while raiding as fury.

I saw you included my old guide ♥

-BW

[Corbusier]

I was considering adding a section on mods, but I'm not sure how valuable that would actually be. I'm open to suggestions.

[Jathine]

Rampage Bar: Curse.com
FuryDPS: Curse.com

Those are the only two mods I can think of that would directly help with Fury dps. Rampage Bar just gives a couple of small bars for shouts and Rampage. FuryDPS is kind of an expanded version of Rampage Bar which added BT and WW cooldowns along with cooldowns for trinkets. I loaded it up last night and it seemed like a nice little mod. I didn't spend much time going through its options or looking at what it was doing all the time so I'm not sure how beneficial it will be for most people. I just liked having the cooldowns for trinkets and abilities in a nice moveable frame.

[GarrettJaxx]

Corb - great job. Love the Best Practices section - no reason to be unprepared for a raid gents and ladies!

Looking forward to debate, etc. You posted on WoW Forums yet? I bet you get a million "I r teh Fury and you r teh wrongxX0r!"

[Corbusier]

Thanks!

Yep, it's posted to the WoW forums at:
WoW Forums -> DW Fury Guide - 5th Edition

Surprisingly few trolls, I must admit.