whats the effect of high latency on this kind of build? 400-500ish to give an example

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Makes it harder to play. You want optimal latency for slam builds.

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I don't know squat about arms PVE, but if somone is nice enough to write all this stuff down for noobs like me then anyone who feels like flaming it should go DIAF. Questions are fine, but have some respect for people's work and effort.

huh?

Anyways...

How do we know when one stat's value becomes more important than another's?

I also thought that maybe axes could do more damage than swords if you were to keep the strength gemming mentality and choose gear that favored armor penetration and attack power over crit?

this has already been gone over... Maxdps.com

and 5% Crit will never out dps an additional swing (that also has your normal chance to crit and can proc off WF and any other attacks you make) when looking at gear of equal levels ie. t6 vs 70 blues

additionally i am a fury warrior 17/44 in T4+ gear and my guild is starting progression into TK and SSC and i am currently the top in melee dps (often all dps) in the raid and am looking for a way to help my guild progress more. we have an arms warrior who usually comes with us already (we take alot of melee) ... you know what nvm im just going to stay fury cus we already have the arms warrior and i know he doesn't plan on going fury anytime soon so i'll just let him do his job

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I doubt that meeks uses Maxdps.com to make his gear decisions.

My hypothesis was that it could be possible for axe specialization to outperform sword specialization by stacking attack power and armor penetration gear and gemming for strength and axe specialization would make up for the lost crit. I somehow doubt that you've conducted any significant research or even have the means to refute that.

Lurker is serious business.

"I somehow Doubt that you've conducted any significant research or even have the means to refute that."

WTF??? Does being rude and condescending make your comments any more attractive? How do you know what he has done or how he has found it out?

The official wow forums are this way...
WoW Forums -> Forum Index

Please leave your arrogant attitude there.

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The basis of the math is this. it's 5% additional chance to crit in axe spec. that doesn't stack or change the base mechanic of your other 30% or what not crit, it's just another 5% chance. Sword spec has that same 5% chance to proc a second swing. Comparatively, your 5% allows you to do double damage 5% more often than without it. Sword 5% allows you to do double damage by proc'ing 2 swings, 5% of the time more often than without it. However, sword procs CAN crit, which means that with that same 5% chance to do double damage, you likewise have a chance to deal 3x or 4x damage from a 5% proc. In higher end gear, this proves to be even better because your crit is already above 35% raid buffed, so having more crit no longer serves the purpose of keeping flurry up.

There isn't a whole lot of math needed to prove this. You have a raw 5% chance to crit increase from axes, and you have a raw 5% chance to swing again after an attack from swords.

And Please, take this time to think before you respond, you're reply is somewhat harsh, and you make statements such as "I doubt you've made any research", when you can't quantify that with any research of your own. Likewise, what does it matter if Meeks uses maxdps.com or not. It is a good site to get a general idea of what upgrades you can get. It's not perfect, but nothing on the internet is for gear listing. You have to have the knowledge to make the smart choices based on your own gear. But maxdps.com is a good resource to find out what may or may not be an upgrade.

And who are you to say "lurker is serious business" in your sarcastic tone? Many people raid Lurker as progression. If you're past that, good for you, what right do you have to demean their attempts at progression?

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What right do you have to reprimand me?

He's a Tank Spot CM.

Unlike the WoW forums they work very hard to keep this place an enjoyable place to read and participate. I for one appreciate the effort that they make to ensure the elitest attitudes of the WoW forums don't show up here.

As a CM, he has every right.

Hey Meeks,

Always a pleasure to see you write guides. I've followed your Fury guide and it has not let me down yet with the damage I was able to pull out as Fury. But for a long time now, I've given up on Fury because I really was bored with it and am now Arms. I've raided as a 33/28 spec and absolutely adore it. It's great to see you take the plunge into this and find out if it's actually a viable spec.

Now, you have a guide stating what to do and what it offers, but something I'd like to see is a section showing raid leaders exactly why you would want to bring an Arms warrior instead of a Fury Warrior. I'm having a hard time convincing people that Arms is a great way to raid 25 man especially when asked what I can bring to the table. A section with the pros and cons of fury versus arms in this guide would be great.

Keep up the great work as always!

In the same way the president has the right to go to war, no questions asked?

Enough of this. All I want to know is how you know when relative values shift.

This isn't a damn democracy.

And it's called a spreadsheet, look it up.

First of all, don't strawman this, I wasn't throwing my clout around to reprimand you. I was reprimanding you from the same standpoint anyone who has information would to someone who is challenging the status quo without his own backing. I was doing it from a community member's standpoint not a community manager's standpoint, that's why i didn't even reply to your blatant attempt at a flame.

I'm here to prevent flaming, think of me more as police, and not the goddamned president. Don't make stupid comparisons. I'm not the president, and this isn't a democracy. If you want to flame, take it elsewhere. If you want to find out information, don't get defensive when someone gives you concrete evidence. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but your last 2 responses here are pushing my nerve. Wise up, Shut the hell up, and we can all get along.

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Soo since were talking about maxdps.com, and this is bit odd but with my current gear
(bt/hy/sw)

It says that cataclysm edge will do less damage then soulcleaver. I'm a fan of swords myself just no luck with cata, never droped once and now we stopped doing hyjal

sooo can anyone help me with that? though i'll be getting the pole arm on next drop from sunwell..but still curious

By just looking at the two weapons side by side the sword has better stats so if maxdps.com still thinks the axe is better, then it is probably taking specialization into account and may not correctly model sword specialization since it is supposedly better(?).

Kaz: pfft.

maxdps i believe will take into the account that axe spec gives 5% crit for spec, but doesn't accurately calculate the damage gained by procs of any sort including sword procs.

And nomo, if you're want to keep up this attitude that's your decision, but I'm trying to approach this with you from a mature standpoint. Keep this up and I'll just ban you.

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