[GarrettJaxx]

I had thought that it's the amount of Armor Penetration that's most important - anyone with 1800+ AP, 150+ hit, and 28%+ crit should do well with the right amount of stacked ArP. But that amount is closer to 700 and 800, not 300 or 400, as I've seen some posts suggesting people are hovering around (not including Executioner procs, of course).

[Drgoodtime]

Firstly I like to say thank you so much for putting together this guide. It's pretty much been my bread and butter to how I play.

I need some suggestions on when it is ok to start taking out items with hit and replacing them in the meantime with items that do not have any. For example, I have Dory's Embrace but I'm scared to lose some hit rating. Opinions?

At the moment, our guild has been progressing quite nicely with TK and SSC almost cleared in a matter of weeks. We now are on Vashj and Kael.

If you look at my stats, are there things I should try to get more of (example in proportion to my AP, my crit should be roughly xx). Are there obtainable items that won't come from brand new content you see as an upgrade? I've been trying to get Ring of a Thousand Marks for ages and it just won't drop, I've given up on it :P

Many of my guild members have been suggesting to replace my current helm with the S3 one. How powerful is ArP in response to your other stats?

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Here is my armory
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...r&n=Drgoodtime

[Meeks]

Source: Drgoodtime Firstly I like to say thank you so much for putting together this guide. It's pretty much been my bread and butter to how I play. I need some suggestions on when it is ok to start taking out items with hit and replacing them in the meantime with items that do not have any. For example, I have Dory's Embrace but I'm scared to lose some hit rating. Opinions? At the moment, our guild has been progressing quite nicely with TK and SSC almost cleared in a matter of weeks. We now are on Vashj and Kael. If you look at my stats, are there things I should try to get more of (example in proportion to my AP, my crit should be roughly xx). Are there obtainable items that won't come from brand new content you see as an upgrade? I've been trying to get Ring of a Thousand Marks for ages and it just won't drop, I've given up on it :P Many of my guild members have been suggesting to replace my current helm with the S3 one. How powerful is ArP in response to your other stats? Thanks in advance. EDIT: Here is my armory http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...r&n=Drgoodtime

The season three helm is a very good choice. It is an incredible helm and I would use it until you get to the Illidari Council in Black Temple. I would also keep doing prince for that ring...I used my Ring of the Thousand Marks until i got Illidan's Signet Ring.

Other then that the most obvious upgrades for you would be getting tier 5 shoulders, lurker bracers, and either gruul or tier 5 gloves. The leather boots from heroic badges would be a solid upgrade too.

[Drgoodtime]

Thank you Meeks for the quick response.

Would getting the Nyn'jah's Tabi Boots from badges allow me to get rid of my cloak and use Dory's then? The next boots I had in mind were either the Skullshatter Warboots. Does my hit need work right now? Moreover, how do the Ripfiend Shoulderplates from Kazzak compare to T5? Good to know about that ring, thanks.

How are my current stats and their distribution for the bosses we are fighting? Should I have more of something and ease up on other things?

How does the S3 helm compare to T5 helm though? Eventually we will be downing these bosses and once the tanks get theirs, the rest of the raid can start upgrading.

Thanks in Advance

[Kazeyonoma]

What cloak are you currently using? Dory's is a win win win cloak, there's hardly anything wrong with it as far as I know.

[Drgoodtime]

Drape of the Dark Reavers

[Edorn]

does anyone have a numbers based reason for using ex on a main hand and mongoose on the offhand? i've read so many that go both ways but none with a real reason for one over the other

[GarrettJaxx]

Source: Edorn does anyone have a numbers based reason for using ex on a main hand and mongoose on the offhand? i've read so many that go both ways but none with a real reason for one over the other

I do not. However, why would you need numbers ... consider this.

Executioner procs and Mongoose procs are based on per minute constants - so within one minute they will proc x times. Always.

Whether you hit or miss, and miss a proc, isn't important. If you mis a proc once, you'll surely hit it a second time within the one-minute proc limit.

So unless your hit is drastically low, or your weapons are drastically slow (which for DW Fury isn't tenable, really), I'm not sure I understand why one hand over the other matters. The damage is normalized across your DPS, as is the haste and crit from both chants.

Now, as I said, I have no math. I'm not a math-based theorycrafter. I could be way off on how these ppms work and how chants work, if so, please someone correct me so I learn too.

Thanks!

[Balen]

I'm not sure if this is where I should ask this, but you guys seem to know really well what you're talking about and have a lot of good answers, so here goes.

I'm in a kara guild atm and all my guildies have been getting really nice gear outta the place. I however have very few drops from there that increase my stats very much besides leather which I have picked up when it drops. This has dropped my rank in dps from before getting top 3 easily to not top 3 now.

How well would the badge Plate gear do to gearing myself up to get me outta kara range stats? Is it worth the loss of crit? It all looks to contain no crit but a ton of hit and some ArP. Or should I pick up the leather badge gear? Or should I go into ZA or w/e would be after kara being carried a bit in dps by the casters?

[Eldyr]

Hello Meeks and every1,

1st of all,thx for the great guild you have made, it helped me - and i know for sure on a lot of us also - to improve her/his dps in raids.

I've some questions concerning Armor penetration.
Our guild is at 5/6 SSC, 2/4 TK, will start Vashj on next week.
Here is my current raiding gear: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...reaver&n=Eldyr

I'm planning to switch 3 them, the Cloak of Darkness for Dory's embrace, the Red Belt of Battle for Chain of Unleashed Rage and the Bracers of Eradication for Eternium rage-shackles to improve my Armor penetration.
If i calculated right, i would loose 17 Str, 17 hit and 52 crit rate, but would earn 416 Apr, but i got the s3 chest, so it would be 500 Apr totally.
I think the str and hit rate loss isnt that bad, the crit is, but i will take the 1st Tsunami from Leo if it drops, which reduces the loss to 14 crit.

What do u think, is the switch worth it or not?
If any1 else has any idea about it, i would appreciate it.

Thx in advance

Eldyr

[teamstussy]

First off great guide, I've learned a lot from this. Secondly, the community here is awesome as well.

I'm looking for some tips to increase my dps. This toon is only about 4 weeks into 70 so gear advice would be helpful as well. As far as gear I'm targeting in the near future would be S3 Helm / Chest, Tabi Boots, Master Assassin / Gruuls Bracers, Skulkers Greaves, Bloodthirsters Wargreaves, T5 shoulders and S2 OH. Trinket wise would be Hourglass (22 runs and counting ) and bloodlust brooch or blessings deck. I guess what I'm looking for is what I should focus on first to give me the most bang for the buck dps upgrade. I have access to any piece in kara, plus a legit roll off on Gruul, VR and solarian once we down her. Currently have 1550 arena points banked and getting about 340 Are there any pieces at my progression level that I've missed and would be an upgrade? We have VR down and working on Solarian.

Currently, I can do 650 max on a gruul / vr fight using the rotation listed in the guide and HS as necessary which I feel is horribly low. The only difference would be I'm not pulling out two fast weapons for Execute spam.

Sorry for the information overload, but it's been really frustrating of late.

Here's the armory link ( Battle Stance)

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...=Thrall&n=Halp



Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Halp

[veger69]

Source: Eldyr Hello Meeks and every1, 1st of all,thx for the great guild you have made, it helped me - and i know for sure on a lot of us also - to improve her/his dps in raids. I've some questions concerning Armor penetration. Our guild is at 5/6 SSC, 2/4 TK, will start Vashj on next week. Here is my current raiding gear: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...reaver&n=Eldyr I'm planning to switch 3 them, the Cloak of Darkness for Dory's embrace, the Red Belt of Battle for Chain of Unleashed Rage and the Bracers of Eradication for Eternium rage-shackles to improve my Armor penetration. If i calculated right, i would loose 17 Str, 17 hit and 52 crit rate, but would earn 416 Apr, but i got the s3 chest, so it would be 500 Apr totally. I think the str and hit rate loss isnt that bad, the crit is, but i will take the 1st Tsunami from Leo if it drops, which reduces the loss to 14 crit. What do u think, is the switch worth it or not? If any1 else has any idea about it, i would appreciate it. Thx in advance Eldyr

Yes on dory's, no on bracer's. you won't replace those ever unless you go with the leather deadlycuffs off Rage winterchill. NO on belt, red belt of battle is end game unless you get belt of one hundred deaths off Vashj. Build your arp with Season Three ring instead of garona's the bow of the last boss in ZA and get the Season 3 helm. Pick up Ninja's Tabi boots from badge gear and blood lust broach from badges. That should put you close to 500 arp. while maintaining decent hit and is very close to my gear set I'm doing 1400 dps on Tide walker and 1600 on Nin'jentus

[GarrettJaxx]

Hi - been a bit since I've posted, and I've made some nice upgrades. I'm still bummed though, my dps is teetering on the side of being quite impressive I think, but something's just ... off.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...igg&n=Darranna

Key stats in Zerk:
> AP 1776 unbuffed
> Hit 150 (potential to go to 188 but that nerfs my crit down to 27% from 29% with the Romulo's Trink>
> Crit 29%

I feel like my AP is deplorably low.

I almost feel like I was doing a hella lot more dps when I had it at like 1850 but suffered with 26% or so crit. I know I need to go PvP and get some Glad's, but I almost feel dependent on my existing gear as it stands, don't know what I'd replace. Legs probably ...

Cloak - sure, it's nasty (Inciter's) but I'll get Dory's with my next badge splurge. I'm bummed, I splurged on Amani Death Mask 2 weeks ago and Fel Steel dropped for me last night, ah well.

So the question is ... is the 'must have 27%+ crit' worth dropping a little when your unbufffed AP is where mine is at? If so, would I do better with Abacus of Violent Odds (in the bank) to give a shot more of AP along with the haste increase (I can sort of 'fake some flurry' if my crits arent putting it up enough).

Or is the key reason to have crit purely a damage-table math thing, and a double-the-white-damage thing, and so I need to keep it as a priority at this point, over AP and over hit?

I hope my questions are clear enough. Perhaps I have all the answers here and just was looking for someone else to weigh in and confirm ... I was going to number em but I'm at work and a bunch of suits are about to start a meeting with me!

[Dwarman]

Hey Garrett, long while since ive posted as well, while im no expert myself, i have been learning some things,

unbuffed stats zerkers

AP- 1744
Crit-28.17
Hit-203

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...+Guard&n=Bodan

As for your question to crit chance, yea i'd keep it at around 28+ if possible, that allows your deep wounds to stay up on pretty much any boss fairly consistantly which only does good things for your dps with impale maxed, 20% to your crit strike damage is huge, thats mainly the reason you want your crit at that magic number, as well as pulling off the impressive dual crits from WW as well as your other attacks.

As for the abbacus, im not sold on it, i prefer the bloodlust/Hourglass over it by far, takes a bit for it to drop but well worth the efforts as it helps out your crit and the AP buff on it is quite nice even with the hidden CD on it, and with the hourglass, another good reason to keep your crit at the magic number, with the AP buff on crit hit.

What i would shoot for is picking up the Ninja Tabi boots from the badge vendor, they would be a very nice upgrade for you, and what i did is replace my Vanquishers with the midnight leggings from heroic Slave pens, stacked with 8str gems you gain about 20 AP but also pick up some decent hit and crit, not a huge upgrade but worth it in my opinion, some laugh at the fact i wear some leather peices, upgraded Mask of the Lynx lord with S3 helm this week, but whats armor value vs stat benefits when your meatshield is doin the tankin.

Well, hope this helped a little, and if anyone has some more knowledgeable input, by all means correct me , untill next time, take it easy and enjoy.

[Bananasmasht]

I'd hate to ask this, but if anyone can let me know what I should upgrade next, (Im 5 badges from the Badges Belt of Unleashed Rage. and around 300 Arena points from the Season three Chest. After that what should I go for next (Using heroic's Kara Badges or Arena/BG) because Im kinda stumped. any Suggestions would be appreciated.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...n=Bananasmasht

[GarrettJaxx]

Source: Dwarman As for your question to crit chance, yea i'd keep it at around 28+ if possible, that allows your deep wounds to stay up on pretty much any boss fairly consistantly which only does good things for your dps with impale maxed, 20% to your crit strike damage is huge, thats mainly the reason you want your crit at that magic number, as well as pulling off the impressive dual crits from WW as well as your other attacks. ... What i would shoot for is picking up the Ninja Tabi boots from the badge vendor, they would be a very nice upgrade for you

Hi thanks for the advice.

I agree to keep my crit up, but I prefer not to have too many leathers because they nerf my strength (usually don't have strength on them). As for Abacus, ya I haven't relaly used it in a long time. I have the Skyguard Cross on now, w BL brooch, and that crit helps. I think I just need to keep running and getting geared up.

[Avandar]

Hi!

I'm an alt so many of my options are limited. At the moment, I have access to kara gear and the gear I can buy with badges.

So, last night we kill Prince and I get a second Decapitator. So I am now DW them. I also have the pvp off hand axe, 1.5 speed. I was curious, before I splurge on an enchant on it, has it been decided that slow/slow is the way to go now? I don't seem to be rage starved on boss fights.

Current stats:

AP: 1551
Hit: 172
Crit: 27.62

Normally I eat a spicy talbuk steak before raids so I have 192 hit on raids.

Armory Link:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...mane&n=Avandar

My next big upgrade will be the chain of unleashed rage.

So, go with mongoose on my new decapitator or stick with the fast OH from pvp? That's the question.

Avandar

[GarrettJaxx]

Source: Avandar Hi! I'm an alt so many of my options are limited. At the moment, I have access to kara gear and the gear I can buy with badges. So, last night we kill Prince and I get a second Decapitator. So I am now DW them. I also have the pvp off hand axe, 1.5 speed. I was curious, before I splurge on an enchant on it, has it been decided that slow/slow is the way to go now? I don't seem to be rage starved on boss fights.

I'd try to enchant them both with Mongoose maybe, and keep them both up the whole time. Major crit benefit, and your hit's just fine at 192 buffed.

Or you can get Executioner maybe? If you have the cash/mats. If you can farm badges and hook up w the Badge gear you'll get some nice additional trinks and gear - mind you it's not as good as some PvP and certainly most high-end raid gear beats it but you can get some nice chants and such on em too. I'd get your AP up though, your BT is probably not hitting for much, and it's a key component to your rotation (or should be).

[GarrettJaxx]

Source: Avandar Hi! I'm an alt so many of my options are limited. At the moment, I have access to kara gear and the gear I can buy with badges. So, last night we kill Prince and I get a second Decapitator. So I am now DW them. I also have the pvp off hand axe, 1.5 speed. I was curious, before I splurge on an enchant on it, has it been decided that slow/slow is the way to go now? I don't seem to be rage starved on boss fights.

I'd try to enchant them both with Mongoose maybe, and keep them both up the whole time. Major crit benefit, and your hit's just fine at 192 buffed. Or, give a Potency chant to one of your Axes - boost the AP that way.

Or you can get Executioner maybe? If you have the cash/mats. If you can farm badges and hook up w the Badge gear you'll get some nice additional trinks and gear - mind you it's not as good as some PvP and certainly most high-end raid gear beats it but you can get some nice chants and such on em too. I'd get your AP up though, your BT is probably not hitting for much, and it's a key component to your rotation (or should be).

[Avandar]

Source: GarrettJaxx I'd try to enchant them both with Mongoose maybe, and keep them both up the whole time. Major crit benefit, and your hit's just fine at 192 buffed. Or, give a Potency chant to one of your Axes - boost the AP that way. Or you can get Executioner maybe? If you have the cash/mats. If you can farm badges and hook up w the Badge gear you'll get some nice additional trinks and gear - mind you it's not as good as some PvP and certainly most high-end raid gear beats it but you can get some nice chants and such on em too. I'd get your AP up though, your BT is probably not hitting for much, and it's a key component to your rotation (or should be).

Sorry, should have been clearer, I have executioner on my MH Decapitator, was wondering what to put on my second OR, would it be better to us a fast OH?