[FeeliksReturns]

I think the assumption is generally that single bosses can't be disarmed. 4HM is different in that each of the mini-bosses is part of a larger encounter.

The sample size is too low to really check but the only other boss I can remember disarming regularly was Hex Lord Malacrass in ZA.

[Krashtork]

I haven't seen much about gearing for this spec so far. From the sounds of it there is a focus on TPS gearing, but is there a certain survival gearing element? You mention needing specific gear requirements to make use of this spec, please expand on what you mean by this.

[Rurik]

Source: Krashtork I haven't seen much about gearing for this spec so far. From the sounds of it there is a focus on TPS gearing, but is there a certain survival gearing element? You mention needing specific gear requirements to make use of this spec, please expand on what you mean by this.

I think what he means is, for one you'll need your standard hit/expertise to keep hitting without getting avoided.

For second, you'll need more parry/dodge/block to keep the revenge spam going, so basically, at least in my case, I'm going to be loosing some stamina in favor of parry/dodge/block. But I'm not entirely sure my healers will be able to keep me up, since they sometimes have a hard time doing it already with my current build.

Gief good healers

[Laffior]

I have reading about this build since you guys have been discussing it. I am prot in every way, and have had very little desire to change. This build lets me stay in defense stance and do damage...whoa. I'm really interested in see the gearing choices you have chosen for this spec.

[moffett]

just to clear something up here for a sec, one wouldnt have to get axe spec " would be best if u had last laugh " put if u had red sword or lifeless then spec toward sword spec

[Jila]

this could be a nice pvp spec aswell, but tho you dont have a mob hitting you all the time.

[Ricovega]

I havent got time to read this thread atm in work, how is UA rated as a pvp spec?

[Marrick]

I would depend on the group. If you're likely to get focused it would be good for survivability and damage. If you -aren't- likely to get focused, UA leaves you on the sideline making pies. It's useless unless you're getting hit.

[Marrick]

Also, it would be useless if you're getting hit by casters as well. I really doubt it would work in PvP.

[Jinpachi]

The World of Warcraft Armory
this is my current all around set that i use for whatever purpose.hit capped and soft capped for expertise,with 30k stamina...as far as my avoidance goes,would swapping in some gear from my unhittable set to boost my block ( and therefore total avoidance ) be the optimum way to go for this build? I'm frothing at the mouth in anticipation of trying this spec out,cant wait to see what i can do with it. Great job as always in your videos Cider,keep up the good work!

[Beatzz]

used this spec last night tanking maly. I usually had a tough time holding high threat over our lock, who rips over 8k tps with buff. With this spec and a spark dropped on me by my hunter, i was peaking 13-14ktps. FANTASTIC lol

[gardek]

It looks like a good spec idea (though maybe a little bit unintended? At least it feels a little bit like its not what Blizzard meant). That being said, I can definitely see the use for such a build, but the rotation/playstyle look boring as all hell.

[John1986]

i have a question what build should i go with now for my prot warrior anyway was using you're build i found on guide on this site should i use the same one or use this new one now because i have alot of good raid gear on myself and i'd like to do ulduar today

[Kree]

Does anyone tested that UA spec on any Ulduar boss? Will be there any boss where you can use it? If no , i would otherwise spec more ae tanking abilites for my 2nd spec cos there wont be many situation where you can use 37/0/34 spec in Ulduar. It would be cool in Naxx farm raid but in Uludar (well for the first period) wont be the best one i suppose.

[Kabasha]

Source: Kree Does anyone tested that UA spec on any Ulduar boss? Will be there any boss where you can use it? If no , i would otherwise spec more ae tanking abilites for my 2nd spec cos there wont be many situation where you can use 37/0/34 spec in Ulduar. It would be cool in Naxx farm raid but in Uludar (well for the first period) wont be the best one i suppose.

You won't spec this for Ulduar right off the bat, he made this clear in the video and posting that this is for:

Trash
Heroics
Farm Content

Not for progression fights in the slightest.

Maybe once you are geared from U/10 and some U/25 you can use this more frequently but DPS and healing will be "low" comparitively to the bosses that you'll be encountering that hit like Dump trucks packing concrete. Maxx Surivability first and foremost.

GEAR:


So let's talk about Gear cause that's the kicker here with this setup.

This is a work in progress, hopefully I can update this as I am fascinated by this makeup as it's something that's thinking FAR outside the box

You'll need more Gear with the following tank stats:

+Dodge
+Parry
+Block

You'll need to Regem for the following stat:

Red: +STR
Blue: ???
Yellow: +DEF(?)

You will need to enchant for the following stats:
Head:
Cloak:
Chest:
Wrist:
Gloves:
Pants:
Feet:
Weapon: Armsman

Buffs:
Food:
Potion/Flask:

Please provide any and all information y'all think would be relevant to this and lets compile something as a primer for this experiment.

[Dubzil]

1) this is NOT for Trash / Heroics. This is a SINGLE TARGET Build.
You will have the worst heroic run in your life if you try this build.
For raids you have another tank doing trash tanking, you do boss tanking (until dual specs later today)

[Tankscientist]

Nice to read. Most guilds use 2 or 3 tanks per raid, when one boss only needs one tank, what to do? Replace this dual spec dual tanks? They are not going to make the diference with this build dpsing. So bad idea.

Again, this build is only useful as max agro max dps tanking during thrash. But there are only 2 kinds of thrash mobs:

1- Need CC. Then no need of max dps max agro on them.
2- No CC needed. Then this build is not good as you have to ask dps players to wait until you build some agro on all them. Sweeping strikes and glyphed cleaves may help, but they arent enough.

This build need 2 contraproductive requirements. 1, very high level gear. 2, quick aggro on all the mobs. Because 1, you can not have a good rage managment. Because the build, you can not quick aggro the thrash mobs. And then 2 is imposible. When 2 is imposible the build fails. Its tricky.

Then you have to asks dps players to wait dpsing some seconds. This requierement for thrash mobs right now when they are type 2 trash mobs (no CC needed) is a bad requieremnt. And then, full arms dps dual spec tanks with full dps talents and tanking gear, or, full protection warriors with some high level dps gear, are the best choice.

I ask my readers to understand that in order to know this things, you have to be an expert pvp / pve dps warrior and also a good tank (like me).

I notice you that using this build, you will miss so much warbringer because you will loose agro in one or more mobs (just after pull). In this very precise moment all the build fails. You can do nothing if you intercept this mob.

Warbringer shockwave and the critical strike coming from sword and boardd and critical block are simply something imposible to forget if you wanna tank.

So you wanna be a tank? Be a tank.

But I find very interesting the point that when you are the MT in your raid, and you are always this MT, the best chance is to dual spec as tank / tank.

For the more typical cases, Tank / dps. The best for ir Arms, as 1 arms is always a good idea in every raid because blood frenzy. No trauma. Trauma is good, but not The Debuff tha arms brings to 3.1.

Thank you.

[Kabasha]

Source: Dubzil 1) this is NOT for Trash / Heroics. This is a SINGLE TARGET Build. You will have the worst heroic run in your life if you try this build. For raids you have another tank doing trash tanking, you do boss tanking (until dual specs later today)

Let me post an addendum to my above post since I can't edit it:

You could still use this for heroics. Won't be the best, but it could still work ok IF AND ONLY IF you are geared to the teeth as it is in raid gear and want to speed up the run.

Raid Trash you could manage if you had multiple tanks, which my guild runs 3-4 sometimes, one of which could run this spec on trash to speed up dps. I enjoy giving my healers something to do as they've been bored silly.

If you are new 80 with new gear, survivability first then something to play around like this.

[Kree]

You won't spec this for Ulduar right off the bat, he made this clear in the video and posting that this is for: Trash Heroics Farm Content

Trash and Heroics would it be like the worse spec you can pic..
Farm content is an option but im not suppose to run through naxx while i can and will do Ulduar.
Regarding the very high amount of total avoidance needed for that spec, as "best" single target tps spec - i ask again, does anyone tested it in Ulduar?

[Dubzil]

Okay, in any trash pull, you will have better TPS on EVERY mob with a DW build and your AoE abilities. This will not speed up a heroic run, it will get dps pulling aggro off you and will make a very messy choppy run.