Instructor Razuvious, understudy tanking

**fuzzyb** · #1 08-06-2009, 04:30 PM

I'm pretty new to Naxx 25, and tonight it was my job to grab the understudies after the priest drops MC. Now it appears they are immune to taunt, and nothing I seem to do gets them off the priest till the priest is either dead or has regained control. Now the people in the raid says this is suppose to work, I don't have the experience on the encounter to say otherwise, so I turn to you dear tank spotters. Is this something new ? Have they always been this way ? And if so, how do you get them off the priests, if at all ?

WWS of my attempt below.
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Any advice would be appreciated.

Muffin Man · #2 08-06-2009, 05:12 PM

Taunting on Raz has been buggy for a long time now.

The best you can hope for is get enough aggro on the non-MC ed Understudies that you stay top on their list.

As for the ones you aren't top aggro on. Try quickly putting vigilance on the priest they're beating on then spam taunt and hope it stops bugging out on you.

robbon · #3 08-07-2009, 06:10 AM

Use mocking blow.

I allways keep an eye on the understudy (use /focus) and then when the mc drops..if the prst isnt grabbing it back in time or we just want to buy the prst a few seconds i hit the understudy with mocking blow...it forces him to hit me for a few seconds. Its more reliable than taunt in these situations. imo anyway. too many taunt misses and too many dead prsts.

This is the one fight in naxx 25 where everyone holds their breath...will the mc be broken by "......" fill in the gap with whatever you think of first.

**fuzzyb** · #4 08-07-2009, 09:00 AM

Thing is, taunt did not miss, nor was it resisted, they were immune. If you look at the log above, you will see after the taunt was resisted, I used Shield Slam, Devastate, Concussion Blow, everything I could (or had rage for) to try and get it, it did not turn to me until the priest was dead, or had it back under MC. Really have no clue how to do this differently.

**swelt** · #5 08-07-2009, 09:19 AM

If they were immune to taunt, it's because taunt hit diminishing returns. Multiple taunts in short succession on any mob will make it go immune.

Speculating:- Chances are that means multiple tanks were all hitting taunt on the loose add. That stems from a communication issue within your group. Mark up your adds, make specific tanks responsible for specific adds, communicate if circumstances force that to change, etc.

Stompya · #6 08-07-2009, 10:55 AM

Don't forget INTERVENE!

**Insahnity** · #7 08-07-2009, 11:14 AM

Speaking as a priest..

What in god's name are they doing to require a tank on released MCs? You don't need a tank for that! Before your MC ends, announce to vent you are releasing, have partner taunt, then run PAST raz towards the back (entrace to unholy weapons ,etc.). You will exceed your MC range and autodrop (or if you are getting too close to pulling staves, just manually cancel). In the time it takes for understudy to
a) blink a few times grogilly
b) figure out it has just been MCed
c) FIND offending priest
d) Run to priest (from all the way back, remember?)

Your priest SHOULD be able to pick it up. Heck, I have had the MC fail to hit, and still have time to reacquire before crumbling (although I lost a few charges of inner fire and had to get heals).

Note: NEVER, EVER run too close to the unholy weapons or you will pull them. That, as the Orz say "makes us *dance* and *frumple*. We do not have enough *juice*".

AS A TANK..

If some priest really, really needed to have it tanked because their hit rating sucks (and failed to use hit pots and hit food, which is really all you need) and they are not skilled enough to re-acquire the target, then you could use CC tactics.

-Warrior stuff: enough tools already mentioned in thread
-Bears can charge, gives a few seconds of being held in place on blubber butt impact. Then follow up with bash or perhaps even try and shift out to root it. Other DPS can help. This is assuming growl does not work, which it does for me.
-Paladins can slow with fribee toss, Blessing of Protection the priest so it has no interest in the priest anymore and then taunt, Hammer of Justice, etc.
-DKs can't DG (to my knowledge, I don't think it works). Hungering cold mght, chains of ice, etc.

amilo · #8 08-11-2009, 10:03 AM

In my experience, my main problem when tanking them was dumb dps :P

as they are immune to taunts(I don't know about 10 mode, but 25 They ARE IMMUNE), we would start with priests mc'ing 2 and tanking ravanous, and while on of the priests was experienced, the other was not. the one that was would drop the add behind the tank's giving them time to either build aggro and hold them while the priest took the one they had, or stun it and have the priest take that one again. The other priest on the other hand would drop the mob in the middle of the dps, so when I *had* to hand of protection him, the mob would go ape shit on the nearest squishy. Normally i would throw an avengers shield, and pick him up fast, but when shamans, mages and dks are unloading on an untauntable creature, it gets a lil frustrating.

Mayna · #9 08-18-2009, 08:51 AM

I have tanked this fight many times (priest) and have never had the need for a warrior to taunt after MC drops. Everytime the other priest taunts, I run my NPC away from my character until my MC drops from range, then spam MC on him as he is running toward me and he has NEVER gotten remotely close enough to melee me before I MC him again. There should be nothing for the real tanks to worry about other than picking up the other two understudies and holding them into Raz is dead.

**Insahnity** · #10 08-18-2009, 03:50 PM

Another novel way to do it is to have an abundance of priests (3-4) all MCs the adds. Have 2 on raz, and have the third priest MC one and tank the last add. Or all 4 beating on raz at staggered times. With 2 MCs, the boneshield lasts for part of the tank, and it will take hits, but with 4 understudies, you can bounce it around all 4 reducing the amount of healing needed.