Paladin Is Gear Score really that important?

Eowyyn · #1 10-01-2009, 03:34 PM

I got an PUG invite to tank a 10 man regular Onyx run and the Raid Leader (mage) questioned my gear. Said my gear score was too low. After I sent him the 10 man Onyx achievement he invited but said he “would kick me if I couldn’t tank it” Buff up and I’m at 41k HP 550+ def and the MT is at 38k.. Because DPS has to fight for their spots with gear score is this spilling over onto tanks as well? I know my limits I’m not tanking 25m hardmodes but a regular 10 man shouldn’t be beyond my gear right?

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**Vorla** · #2 10-01-2009, 03:39 PM

Gear needs work, and if I had a choice as a raid leader, I'd take someone else to Ony-10. If I was forced to bring you I'd feel as if I was carrying you.

No offense.

mavfin · #3 10-01-2009, 03:44 PM

Source: Vorla
Gear needs work, and if I had a choice as a raid leader, I'd take someone else to Ony-10. If I was forced to bring you I'd feel as if I was carrying you.

No offense.

You must find Ony-10 awfully difficult, then. He looks adequate to me.

Eowyyn · #4 10-01-2009, 03:52 PM

Source: Vorla
Gear needs work, and if I had a choice as a raid leader, I'd take someone else to Ony-10. If I was forced to bring you I'd feel as if I was carrying you.

No offense.

Yep, agree... Like I said I'm not tanking hard modes or 25m content but for a regular 10man I'm not geared enough?

Lol.. you must be a squishy at heart

**klor** · #5 10-01-2009, 04:00 PM

Yeah.. sounds like you just had some dps that wanted to be carried or have ran with bad tanks in the past. Most common folk associate gear with skill, which is unfortunate. Gearscore is one of the worst things that have come across wow for quite some time. Sadly enough, most gear beyond a certain point is just simply not an upgrade, no matter how much higher in item level it is. Look at tank trinkets. There are quite a few that are higher item level than things like the black heart or th emonarch crab.. but they simply do not come close in comparison. That is why gear scores are dumb. It's a crutch for people that know nothing about any other class to determine whether someone should or should not be in an instance whether they are right or not.

**Vorla** · #6 10-01-2009, 04:21 PM

Source: mavfin
You must find Ony-10 awfully difficult, then. He looks adequate to me.

Not about being able to do the job or not. It's about what effort he has put into his gear and his amount of upgrades from other places.

I'd be pissed off if someone in blues took one of few upgrades right from under my nose so that he instead can run around in 14 pieces of blue and one 232 epic.

Also, I see no reason to strain healers more than necessary.

Griff · #7 10-01-2009, 04:29 PM

Gear score is a pretty poor way to evaluate a player. As far as I know, most gear score is based on little more than the i-lvl of an item so if I, as a tank, show up in full 245 cloth, I'd have a good gear score, but still be completely uncapable of doing my assigned job.

As for your gear, it should be fine for Ony10. You've got a few crafted and some blues, but its still pretty decent. Furthermore, you've made the most out of the gear that you do have. You've enchanted and gemmed your stuff, even putting epix in rare-quality gear that will soon enough be upgraded, which says something (favorably) to me about what kind of tank you are.

Trinata · #8 10-01-2009, 04:33 PM

lol Vorla, that person is about as well geared as my tank set, and i tank ony np on 10 man and the healers dont ever complain that im hard to heal... idk who your running with or w/e but u may want to look for better groups if u think Eowyyn cant tank ony np in his/her gear. Also about that effort comment, look at his gems, there all epics and his enchants are def what they should be. Is he the best...no. Is he putting effort in and doing the best he can... i think so

**ScaryGary** · #9 10-01-2009, 04:38 PM

Ony 10 man doesn't hit hard, nothing about the fight is complicated, for the most part it is a glorified 5 man that drops better loot. It is easily doable with his gear.

If I get into a pug and people begin to mention other players gear score I usually drop group. Anyone that uses that as a way to gauge skill is usually an incompetent player themselves.

Gear score is just an e-peen stroke for people in trade.

Achilleion · #10 10-01-2009, 04:58 PM

Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of gear score, mainly because like Gary said it isn't much more then e-peen flexing. You're a little undergeared but as long as you know what you're doing I wouldn't have a problem with taking you to Ony.

**Vorla** · #11 10-01-2009, 06:06 PM

Source: Trinata
lol Vorla, that person is about as well geared as my tank set, and i tank ony np on 10 man and the healers dont ever complain that im hard to heal... idk who your running with or w/e but u may want to look for better groups if u think Eowyyn cant tank ony np in his/her gear. Also about that effort comment, look at his gems, there all epics and his enchants are def what they should be. Is he the best...no. Is he putting effort in and doing the best he can... i think so

Way to miss the point, sport.

Muffin Man · #12 10-02-2009, 02:49 AM

Source: Vorla
Not about being able to do the job or not. It's about what effort he has put into his gear and his amount of upgrades from other places.

I'd be pissed off if someone in blues took one of few upgrades right from under my nose so that he instead can run around in 14 pieces of blue and one 232 epic.

Also, I see no reason to strain healers more than necessary.

He has 2 blues. The bracers and boots should probably be replaced with the valor ones (which are way overpriced these days, but that's just how it is) unless he can get something to drop, but it's really not that big a deal.

Everything else he has is pretty close to BiS from heroic farming which would put him inline for doing Ony/10 or ToC/10. He even has the triumph libram. He's fully gemmed and enchanted as well. He can pull his own weight in Ony/10.

PosiJoel · #13 10-07-2009, 11:13 AM

One thing I will ask; why the sword?
Gleaming Quel'Serrar is a horrible weapon IMO. When are you honestly going to need the proc on that thing? Plus 100 Defense rating, and because of that you get a fraction more avoidance... I'll pass.

But other than that you look fine I think.

**Maros_vek** · #14 10-09-2009, 11:11 AM

Unfortunatly, I would be very nervous with you. Just seeing 3 blue pieces, I'd check you out, only to find you've never downed an Naxx or Uldar boss, only downed a full clear on Vault 10 once, only one down of OS (with no drakes) and no bosses killed in toc. To say nothing of minimal heroics killed (average of 2-3, never done UK, Old Kingdom or Oculus. One time on Ony10 looks like a fluke to me, or being carried.

My personal gut feeling would be you needed more experience. Everybody needs to pay their dues!!! But, Good luck to you, and run Uldar a couple times and you'll jump up quickly. (and for gods sake, at least replace those 187 shoes!!!)

**Squirrelnut** · #15 10-09-2009, 11:20 AM

Most people are too used to over-gearing fights. Your gear is more then fine for 10m, your gems & enchants are good, overall you seem fine to me. Anyone that looks at gear score to make their decisions is a fool considering some of the near BiS tank trinkets are ilvl 200 until doing 25m Faction Champs.

A couple blue pieces are annoying but the overall stats and gear is perfect for 10m content if you are a skilled player. It is VERY easy to get decent gear these days so there are a lot of terribles in good gear that would do worse then someone good with your gear. No real way of knowing if someone is skilled and just playing on an alt without giving it a try so I see no reason to not take you in a 10m.

Bashal · #16 10-09-2009, 11:22 AM

Source: Eowyyn
a regular 10 man shouldn’t be beyond my gear right?

According to wow-heroes, your gear score puts you firmly into TotCr (10-man normal) which is the same tier level as Ony10 normal. You're fine.

Anyone judging it solely on gear score should have no problem taking you along, unless they are under the mistaken impression it's harder than TotCr.

**Maros_vek** · #17 10-09-2009, 11:35 AM

Source: Squirrelnut
Most people are too used to over-gearing fights. Your gear is more then fine for 10m, your gems & enchants are good, overall you seem fine to me. Anyone that looks at gear score to make their decisions is a fool considering some of the near BiS tank trinkets are ilvl 200 until doing 25m Faction Champs.

Actually, my point exactly. His gear only means take a second look. It is his experience that slows me down. Look at your record, Squirrelnut, obviously you have worked at being an uber tank (btw.. kudo's on that record, best raid clear's I've ever seen on any toon, looks like only thing you skipped was Algalon! Wow!). You didn't just jump from being a 5 man heroic tank into trying to tank end game without working for it. You built a skill (and gear) set by working your butt off. (too bad you are a hordie!!! lol)

I'm just saying he either needs to prove experience from another toon, or put in his dues before I let him wipe my raid, especially when we currently have no problem finding tanks.

**Insahnity** · #18 10-09-2009, 11:41 AM

Source: Squirrelnut
Most people are too used to over-gearing fights. Your gear is more then fine for 10m, your gems & enchants are good, overall you seem fine to me. Anyone that looks at gear score to make their decisions is a fool considering some of the near BiS tank trinkets are ilvl 200 until doing 25m Faction Champs.

A couple blue pieces are annoying but the overall stats and gear is perfect for 10m content if you are a skilled player. It is VERY easy to get decent gear these days so there are a lot of terribles in good gear that would do worse then someone good with your gear. No real way of knowing if someone is skilled and just playing on an alt without giving it a try so I see no reason to not take you in a 10m.

This. However, I would also say that you can get boots from regular toc farming (which is unlimited every day being normal), assuming you don't even just go and get crafted one (Either spiked deathdealers or good old titansteel treads). Shoulders, aside from badges, are also available in HToC or get the BoE version from AH. There are options that are quick. Running into an Ony 10m in a PuG with any plate blues, even though overall you are geared, is not a good thing.

Eravian · #19 10-09-2009, 11:49 AM

Gear score isn't really important, it simply becomes used as an average. When people were first hitting 80, it was an achievement to get 213 in every slot... that meant you had to do Naxxramas, OS, or EoE 25.

Now, anyone who doesn't have the Epic achievement is going to not get as much attention, because it's vastly easier and faster to get than it once was, and people that still have blues will get even less attention. It's not fair or applicable, really, since people in blues were the first ones into Naxx 10 or 25, most likely, but that's the way it goes as gear becomes more available.

**Ion** · #20 10-09-2009, 11:53 AM

Gear score is for retards who don't know how to play any class other than their own...all it does is look at the ilvl of your gear and do some math. It has no bearing on how your gear relates to the job you're trying to do.

As klor said, it's just a crutch, and showing up in full 245 cloth as a "tank" will net you something like a 5k gear score in that dumb mod but you will be completely unable to do your job. I had that exact experience, actually...I joined a toc10 pug on my enhance shaman shortly after it came out and when I joined someone said "wow 5k gear score"...I was in my pvp gear...which is resto.

As to your gear...the raid leader probably doesn't know anything about tanks, and your gear score is hindered by the blue trinket and boots...but they're obviously fine (though I'd consider getting boots crafted or buying the valor ones as someone mentioned, but the trinket is great until you can get either one of the ulduar stam trinkets or a scarab) for 10 mans...especially ony, ESPECIALLY if you're not solo-tanking it.