The Undying achievement

**Ferim** · #1 03-25-2009, 11:52 PM

OK, so the last few weeks my 10-man has been chasing this achievement and the 2 times we've been SO CLOSE to getting it .
We've had Kel Thuzad at 250k hp! 15 more seconds of dps, I would have my title. BUT, I was the OT tanking the adds in the back, and I GET FROST BLASTED! WHY? I felt like slashing my wrists. We were so psyched about it. I've ran naxx at least 25 times on 10-man and that has never EVER happened, any explanation maybe some hints? I can't use any cooldowns for the period that I'm frozen and the fact that I'm getting beat on was not helping at all!!

**cen1** · #2 03-26-2009, 12:10 AM

KT's frost blast is capable of hitting anyone in 10-man, except the main tank. On 25 man, even the main tank is susceptible to it. If it happens to you just called out for insane heals on the double and hope you survive.

**Ferim** · #3 03-26-2009, 09:14 AM

I understand the frost blast but I've just never EVER seen it hit the Off-tank in the back tanking the adds. They had there 3rd or 4th stack on them when I got blasted so..oh well. Maybe next week

marklar · #4 03-26-2009, 11:48 AM

Source: cen1
On 25 man, even the main tank is susceptible to it.

i've never seen it hit the main tank on 25 man; are you sure?

Tenraiel · #5 03-26-2009, 11:51 AM

For sure, it can definitely hit the tank on 25. It won't target the MT, but will chain from a nearby ally. Melee really needs to stand apart from you.

Muffin Man · #6 03-26-2009, 01:29 PM

Source: Ferim
I understand the frost blast but I've just never EVER seen it hit the Off-tank in the back tanking the adds. They had there 3rd or 4th stack on them when I got blasted so..oh well. Maybe next week

You've been lucky then. I've seen the OT's get frost blasted plenty of times. It's possible for the MT to tank everything in 10 man, but it makes seeing Void Zones hard.

Related: does anyone know if the PvP trinket will let you out of Frost Blasts?

LxDraco · #7 03-26-2009, 01:46 PM

Muffin Man I'm fairly certain that pvp trinket wont get you out of the Frost blasts for the same reason the racial every man for themselves wont. You just cant dispell it on that boss... if you could it'd be too easy cause everyone in raid could put a trinket on and do that, then a major fight mechanic would be pretty trivial.

Meythos · #8 03-26-2009, 01:53 PM

Tank the whole mess yourself. It's what my 10 man team does.

Happy hunting.

DwarvenTankard · #9 03-26-2009, 02:06 PM

Have the main tank take the 2 adds as well on 10 man... I do it every week.

Hire · #10 03-26-2009, 02:14 PM

Source: Tenraiel
For sure, it can definitely hit the tank on 25. It won't target the MT, but will chain from a nearby ally. Melee really needs to stand apart from you.

It can chain in 10man too. However KT doesn't target the MT as primary for either 10/25

marklar · #11 03-27-2009, 03:15 PM

Source: Tenraiel
For sure, it can definitely hit the tank on 25. It won't target the MT, but will chain from a nearby ally. Melee really needs to stand apart from you.

no, i know this - it sounded like cen1 was saying the MT could be targeted...

tuffmuffin · #12 03-27-2009, 03:51 PM

Source: marklar
no, i know this - it sounded like cen1 was saying the MT could be targeted...

Wowwiki says it can target the MT on 25-man, which is probably why he said it can. I've never seen it personally unless it was spread to me by one of the melee, so meh

Argamasilla · #13 03-27-2009, 03:59 PM

I've never been targeted on 10 or 25, but I have been chained on 25... it gets messy quick that way.

It is very difficult to see the red while tanking both adds in 10 man, but it makes it very exciting. Usually by that point in the fight, on 10, Threat shouldn't be an issue, so you can take a few seconds to get some SS's on the adds, then your aoe threat will be enough to hold them. So, Shield bashing (or your tank flavor spell interrupt), threat generation, watching for Red with two really big adds on you, and making sure melee doesn't squeeze you in... and you win!

Evilhoof · #14 03-29-2009, 12:44 PM

We have had the OT get frostblasted, a tad annoying. Luckily though it did not happend on our last run, and we got our title :-)

We had one earlier try, but the shaman decided not to go behind an iceblock ...

I have tanked the adds and kel before - its just annoying, though I should prolly have done it when we ran for the undying to remove the frostblast risk. But we didnt and he didnt get frostblasted - so all is good.

In general, I dont like this ach alot - we are a fairly casual guild, and it doesnt take much RNG or error to fail this one :-)

Now if we could get 1 drake down... (bleh)

**Murdog** · #15 03-29-2009, 12:48 PM

In 10 man Stack the adds on the MT the dmg is not to bad and that takes your OT out of the equation for gettign blasted with add on him.

Edit: Noticed your post above say's the same thing :P

tuffmuffin · #16 03-29-2009, 10:59 PM

Source: tuffmuffin
Wowwiki says it can target the MT on 25-man, which is probably why he said it can. I've never seen it personally unless it was spread to me by one of the melee, so meh

Just a bump to make it more clear... It is impossible in 10-man because he doesn't MC and drop aggro. He will not cast Frost Blast on the highest threat person. It is possible for the MT to get hit by it in 25-man because of the MC aggro drop (which will be gone in 3.1). I witnessed it for the first time tonight

Tailsz · #17 03-31-2009, 12:23 PM

So, 2 weeks in a row now we have aced Undying up until KT... 2 weeks in a row we had a disconnect in the same exact spot in the same exact percent range with the same result... Instant shadow fissure at the feet of our DC (two different people, the first guy it happend to stepped aside)

Sarth 3D (10) down, 6 Minute Maly down and we are about to lose glory of the raider to disconnects...Talk about unbelievable frustration

So this week (assuming no ninja 3.1 patch tuesday) we have to pull off - 4 Horse they all go down together, 3 minute patchwerk (easy enough but the last two weeks we had been stacking 3 heals for undying), and then our ultimate nemesis of no disconnects on KT

we also utilize the MT tanks all strat in 10 man KT, it works out great even when not doing undying if for no other reason then to minimize RNG impact.

**Squashed** · #18 03-31-2009, 02:16 PM

Tailsz - Bringing a shaman to KT will help by minimizing the amount of time you're subject to the RNG f-you that he's done the past two weeks. 1 MT, 1 OT, 3 Healers, 5 DPS

Also necessary are respecs to 2 tanks 2 healers 6 DPS for PW (shaman included)

Molo · #19 03-31-2009, 03:13 PM

If you have a priest make sure they save their guardian spirits for a situation like that, last week the OT called out for guardian spirit and was able to be healed through it.

Tailsz · #20 04-02-2009, 07:10 AM

Source: Squashed
Tailsz - Bringing a shaman to KT will help by minimizing the amount of time you're subject to the RNG f-you that he's done the past two weeks. 1 MT, 1 OT, 3 Healers, 5 DPS

Also necessary are respecs to 2 tanks 2 healers 6 DPS for PW (shaman included)

Yea, seeing as you were there with us i know you feel the pain too... Why'd you decline our sunday naxx this week?

Thats probably what we will be doing this week to ensure the patchwerk kill (2 Heals, 2 Tanks, 6 DPS) and maybe have one of the hybrids (shadow priest) heal a bit during iceblocks on KT. One thing we will not have the luxury of this week is probably going to be guardian spirit.

I still refuse to risk the other RNG factor of the OT getting iceblocked while tanking adds on KT

1 other change I am making is going to be specing into shred to help with DPS on KT and other boss encounters that I can have you MT.