[dagimp007]

so alot of my guild pallies swear not to use PallyPower and with out ever pally using it it kinda renders what i would use it for pointless... i like Pallypowper cause it lets me tell ever pally what they are doing and not have to worry about seeing if they heard or saw it, or hoping they dont forget it.... so my question is there any other addon that allows me to do thing that are like pallypower or no

[Akeber]

There is no substitute for pally power that I'm aware of. Even if there is, it will still require them all to install it to allow the RL or RA to "assign" buffs to each pally.

Why do your guildies have a problem with pally power anyway? It's a great app, doesn't conflict with anything, and consumes very little for resources. It's required for any pally that wants to raid in my guild.

[Fayre]

ZOMGBuffs perhaps, though I'm not really sure what you want it to do.

[dagimp007]

Source: Akeber There is no substitute for pally power that I'm aware of. Even if there is, it will still require them all to install it to allow the RL or RA to "assign" buffs to each pally. Why do your guildies have a problem with pally power anyway? It's a great app, doesn't conflict with anything, and consumes very little for resources. It's required for any pally that wants to raid in my guild.

they dont want to get it cause the only thing we use it for is to help the people who can't rmeber what buff i assign to them to rember... problem is, it doesn't work good with half the pallies refusing to get an addon for that reason... i agree its stupid we had to resort to it, but i also think its stupid to refuse to get a simple addon

[Lizana]

My guild doesnt use pally power for the simple fact, if you cant remember to put a buff up every 30 min, or you cant remember what buff to do, i dont trust you to remember a boss or healing assignment and strats, so i dont want you in my raid.

If your just makeing it to remind people what buff they have, just create a chat channel for your pallys, and make a macro to post it in that channel

[Akeber]

Pally power is a great mod that makes buffing eleventybillion times easier.

Personally, I would find keeping track of which buff I'm supposed to give each of nine classes a royal PITA. Pally power keeps track of that, shows when people are missing the buff you are assigned so you don't have some guy spamming raid chat for five minutes that he's missing kings. It will even track auras and righteous fury. IMO, no reason not to get it.

[Akeber]

Source: Lizana My guild doesnt use pally power for the simple fact, if you cant remember to put a buff up every 30 min, or you cant remember what buff to do, i dont trust you to remember a boss or healing assignment and strats, so i dont want you in my raid.

I mean no disrespect, but you're a warrior. Your sole buffing responsibilty is a shout here and there, maybe vigilance on one target. You don't have much to keep track of.

As a prot pally, it takes my entire mana bar to cast nine blessings. I try to avoid unecessary buffing whenever possible, as I have to drink every time. Pally power lets me know the duration on every class, and if anyone in each class is missing a buff so they don't even have to tell me.

[Lizana]

Source: Akeber I mean no disrespect, but you're a warrior. Your sole buffing responsibilty is a shout here and there, maybe vigilance on one target. You don't have much to keep track of. As a prot pally, it takes my entire mana bar to cast nine blessings. I try to avoid unecessary buffing whenever possible, as I have to drink every time. Pally power lets me know the duration on every class, and if anyone in each class is missing a buff so they don't even have to tell me.

Been a pally since 1.2. Raided all the way though AQ 40 as a pally healer.

I was able to keep 5 minute buffs up on 40 people (Takes about 1 min and 40 seconds or so, as long as everyone was in range) and would keep those 5 min buffs up even rebuffing in the middle of a fight for 4-6 hours worth of raiding. Why? Because that was my job as a pally. I know what it is like to buff. Just because my warrior is my main now, doesn't mean i dont know about buffing... in fact i have a pally tank as well, you know what i buff on him too. But even on my warrior, i keep a stack of 5 sunders on the boss, even when dpsing, have to keep a 2 min HP buff up when tanking, as well as a 30 second TC and a short timed demo shout up as well. In fact i would bet i buff/debuff more in a night than you do.

Water is cheap... in fact if you have all 9 classes there you have a mage that will make you some for free.

Theres 3 main buffs each class would want/care about at all, Kings, Wisdom and might. Very rarely would you be buffing all three in one night on raid members, at most it would be one or two. If you cant remember what buff you were assigned how are you going to remember a complex fight strategy?

And there's plenty of other addons out there that will tell you if some one is missing a buff. Addons that work with all classes and specs, instead of just being for pallies that cant remember for 30 min at a time.

Also as a side note for knowing when people need a rebuff... If they die they need to be buffed, if they haven't died and its been 30 min they need a buff. Wow that's hard stuff to remember...

[Devilbob]

i absolutely hate getting into a raid or a group with another pally that does not use Pallypower. It is a small addon and is not hard to use at all. Yeah im smart enough to buff without it but why not make the job a hell of a lot easier by getting pallypower and let one person set up what everyone is going to buff so all you have to do is click on 1 bar a few times to buff everyone with the correct buffs without having to even think about it. It just makes raiding that much easier to do so you can focus on the fights and you dont have to worry about remembering what you need to buff.

[Lizana]

Never said it was hard to use, But i find it funny how many pallies find buffing once every 30 min such a hard thing to do. What will you do if pally power breaks one day? Being able to effectively play the game without helper addons makes you a better player when you do use them.

Everyone that talks about addons like pally power almost always says "makes buffing easier" or in your case Devilbob

why not make the job a hell of a lot easier

I honestly dont find buffing to be that hard of a job or even hard in the slightest bit. So lets see i can download an addon and have to wait for a raid leader to configure it each raid or each time we switch a pally around, or i can expect raiders to listen and follow instructions...

Now consider you were the raid leader, who would you rather have, the person that gets all scared and confused when buffing their 3 buffs or the person that can handle buffing without having to have an addon to tell them to do their job?

[Rune]

I find the anti-pallypower people here are being silly. Random people can die on thrash through sillyness, and get healed up fast. Instead of remembering who of the lot died and needs buffs, using ur full mana bar to cast on everyone, and check all of a particular type, say one rogue died the other didnt, do I have to check every person in the raid?
Pallypower shows precisely when buffs are needed and when not. It also makes the whole process faster, you dont need to look for one of each type, (easy with certain addons but still) and try to remember if you got every type or not. If the rest have it installed all the better but just having ur buff up right away and quickly every time is worth the quick config at the start.
You can also see clearer midfight if someone got a battle res, missiing buffs and means u might get chance to buff in fight.

Basically all the things it does can be done using a number of different add-ons and set-ups but for its role it does it more efficiently and quickly. The job can be done without it but you end up wasting the time that might mean an extra attempt at the end of the night, we've had raids slowed by pallies w/o the addon who took forever to get buffs done and then people not wanting to move without the buff.

Key point is its not hard to do without but why do you want to do it slower and less effectively?

[Akeber]

Source: Rune I find the anti-pallypower people here are being silly.

Me too. I'm waiting for the "good raiders play with a stock ui, mods are for nubs" comment, I know someone is dying to say it.

[Lizana]

The problem with pally power is it is a very limited addon. Why should i have to run pally power and addons to check all the other buffs? So now your saying that you use pally power not for the buffing but to see when some one has died so you know to rebuff them on trash? Honestly if your raid needs buffs to clear trash, you need to re evaluate your raiders.

You can also see clearer midfight if someone got a battle res, missiing buffs and means u might get chance to buff in fight.

That argument might work if the other pallies in the thread were not talking about how much mana they have to use to buff. You cant have it both ways, either you dont have the mana to keep rebuffing or you have the mana to spare and you cant be bothered to cast it in combat.

Key point is its not hard to do without but why do you want to do it slower and less effectively?

Takes my pally the exact same about of time to buff the raid group as it does you with pally power, Right down to the same GCD usage. So same time, same GCD usage, how am i being less efficient.

Also what happens if for one fight you need to switch your buffs? On pally power the raid leader has to stop, reconfigure pally power, broadcast it, then you do the fight, the raid has to stop again while the raid leader reconfigures it. You know how much downtime is involved with saying over vent, Hey pally 1 do kings for this fight, pally 2 you now have wisdom... Here i will do the math for you 0 seconds + 0 seconds = 0 time lost.

Also many players like a clean organized look to their layouts. Why do i need another frame up on my screen when i already have grid, decursive, Boss mods, Omen, ect ect...

And lets not forget the numerous problems pally power has with hunter vs warlock pets, variable improved Batte shout vs Might, and stability issues around patches.

If you must use an addon to keep your buffers buffing, its best to use one that the whole raid can use so, and that keeps the raid leader from having to use multiple programs

[qygibo]

I'm going to side with Lizana on this, because Pally Power is pretty much an addon for people who can't be bothered to remember the one or maybe two buffs that they need to provide for their group. Especially now, I feel less and less sympathy for people who find it so hard to remember what buffs they need to put out, due to my circumstances. I'm at the point in pregnancy where I get baby brain, the point where I have nearly managed to put butter in my purse and my car keys in the fridge, that sort of absentmindedness. And yet I am not only able to properly assign pally buffs, but also auras, what judgments to use (while we still have to assign those out) *and* remember to rebuff people when they have died, all without the use of an addon to track what buffs are on what people. Quite honestly, if someone in a hormone induced state of absentmindedness can manage to not only make sure that they are casting the right buffs on the right people, but that other people are as well, what sort of excuse do you all have as to why you can't remember to do something as simple as remember a buff?

[Devilbob]

i never said that i couldn't remember what buffs to give to certain people i just said that it makes it easier to buff and focus on a fight instead worrying about buffs. And Lizana you keep saying that the raid lead has to change it, when this is not true at all. any pally can change it as long as people have it set to free assignment. it also makes it so that if you are the only pally in the group and say one shaman wants wis and another wants kings you can easy set it up so all you have to do is left click for one and right click for another without having to figure out who died or lost a buff or whatever. another one of your reasons for not using it was because it would make a nice clean UI look bad or take up room, you can also easily set it up so it is just one small rectangle instead of showing all the different classes.

[dagimp007]

lol i love people here... they think like me... EVERY tankadin site i post on just totaly live by pally power... so i figured i mine as well use it... but its good to hear people thinking its not a huge addon that you should live by

[Lizana]

The problem about living by addons is once they break your screwed. Anyone remember the pallies that used Buff ahoy back in Vanalia wow days, or the original healbot. Once blizzard changed the UI rules there were players that went from being top server players to barely able to run UBRS.

To use an addon doesnt make you a noob, to fail at life or think you must have the addon to play does...

[qygibo]

Source: Devilbob i never said that i couldn't remember what buffs to give to certain people i just said that it makes it easier to buff and focus on a fight instead worrying about buffs. And Lizana you keep saying that the raid lead has to change it, when this is not true at all. any pally can change it as long as people have it set to free assignment. it also makes it so that if you are the only pally in the group and say one shaman wants wis and another wants kings you can easy set it up so all you have to do is left click for one and right click for another without having to figure out who died or lost a buff or whatever. another one of your reasons for not using it was because it would make a nice clean UI look bad or take up room, you can also easily set it up so it is just one small rectangle instead of showing all the different classes.

How hard is it to really figure out who does what buff? You make it sound like it's rocket science to figure out "But what if one person wants X and another person wants Y?" I mean, is it that hard to figure out that if you're the only paladin, for instance, give one person a 30 minute buff and another person a 10 minute buff? Again, if a pregnant lady can manage to figure out what buff to give what person in 5 seconds and still focus on the fight, why is it so hard for the rest of the general population to do so?

[Cookie]

Source: Lizana What will you do if pally power breaks one day?

My first Scholo the Wednesday when 2.0 was active:
Paladin: lol guys sorry about blessings, addons broke. Say something when you need a new one.
Priest: oh that reminds me, say something when you need a dispel or when your hp is low k? My addons don't work either.


Later that day on MSN:
Me: So how did MC go?
Friend: Like crap, the healing addons and macros don't work anymore, so every priest in the raid decided to just put renew everyone for laughs. At least they stack now.

[bubbleandrun]

I like using buff addons just for the effiency of it all. Instead of finding one person of each class in my raid frames, I just click one button in an addon. I'm currently manually buffing again, due to ZOMGbuffs acting wierd, and it makes me realize how ineffiecent manually buffing really is.