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Old 08-06-2009, 05:24 PM
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Gotcha. I mentally confused the calculations as to be using ratings instead of the paper doll percentages. Thank you, Satrina.
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Old 08-26-2009, 10:15 AM
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Been playing with the DK macro
When i run it it returns 54.05%

i run at
561 Def 6.44% + 5% base
22.97% dodge
20.88% parry
Total of 55.29%

Is the 1.24% difference in the macro and the added totals the DR's coming into play or am i doing something wrong ?
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Old 09-09-2009, 10:39 PM
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That is a good question I am at 49.82% total avoidance on my druid and I am curious if people are much higher or if there is even a good number to work with as we stand now in ulduar I only have 2 pieces of t8 but prior to ulduar being released. I had all BiS gear.

Also thank you all for putting so much time and brain twisting math into this.
I am a decently geared druid (IMBA score of 547.21), but I chant/gem ag/stam. With my main tanking set, I get 48.94% avoidance. I could see my avoidance going up really high if I chanted/gem'd dodge/def, but I would see the HP, arm and crit take a drop (which as a druid I feel are just as important). My stats as of the date of this post are as follows (in bear, unbuffed):

TANK, 36.1K HP, 28.6K ARM, 40.47% DODGE, DEF CAPPED

I could easily change all my chants/gems around to give me more avoidance, but what is the point to 90% avoidance when your HP pool is 28k (just as an example, I doubt my stats would drop that much). Sure, it would be great to avoid soo much dmg, but if any one of those hits can kill you, what's the point of it. 90% avoidance is still 10% hitable, and there is still the chance (as rare as it may be) to be hit several times in a row and die.

This is a great macro, I hear that pallies and warr's can easily get 75-90%, where dk's and druids are mostly around 50-60% area, which I assume is because we do not have shields, and druids dont' parry.

My DK who is as geared as my druid (IMBA score of 555.64)stats are as follows:

TANK 32.2K HP, 25.7K ARM, 26.11% DODGE, 20.03% PARRY, DEF CAP'D

But he holds an avoidance of 57.01%, (ty to the parry compared to my druid).

My point is, that as much as you may want to stack 1 stat, it is not always wise. Avoidance as a tank is necessary, but do not rely on getting yourself to 100% avoidance when you are letting your other stats take a huge dive for it. A balance of decent HP, armor, and avoidance stats (depending on each class) is ideal for any tank. Also with these classes, since we do not have shields and druids do not parry, our tanking skills rely more on armor midigation, dodge, and parry for DK's. If you are using these macro's with your druid or DK, do not use it to compare to other classes, only to your own. Personally, I use it to help compare gear, click the macro with your present gear while in bear/frost presence, then put on the new ring/trinket/etc...and try the macro again. If it raises your avoidance along with your armor and HP, then it's a good piece (keep in mind your applicable chants/gems).

You can always look at the argument from the opposite spectrum as well, what is the point of having gear that gives you 40k hp unbuffed if your armor and avoidance stats are severely lacking. Sure, you have more HP and can take more damage, but you will take that dmg far more quickly and easily then someone with a good balance to their stats. Taking dmg while avoiding a portion of it is a part of being a tank. Do not rely too heavily on achieving this maximum avoidance at the expence of other important stats, especially if your a druid or DK.

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Old 09-23-2009, 01:05 PM
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are there or is there any macro's out there that you can hit and it does all the diminishing returns math for you off your character sheet? I am fine with doing math but would like to find a faster way

Macro #1 ( Where you are at / Dodge Cap)
Macro #2 ( Where you are at / Parry Cap)
Macro #3 ( Where you are at / Miss Cap)

also looking for a macro to use for the 1.88 balance between dodge and parry
IE have gear on hit macro and it tells you where you are at in comparison to the ratio?

sorry its been a long night and i'm lazy right now any help would be great
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Old 10-05-2009, 05:07 PM
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If I run the macro for warriors I get 106,24%, we r actually on Anub and I am tanking adds, but even with that numbers I am getting unmitigated hits for 11k/13k.

What i am missing, shouldnt I be unhittable??
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:42 AM
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ok I am trying ot get these macros to function but keep getting ui errors. I can get the total avoidance macro to return a value of 59.23% not 100% sure how accurate it is. I know my Stats are screwed and I was hoping the macros would help me regem/change out some gear.


my armory link:
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my Stats

35321 unbuffed hp
25864 Armor

Defense rating 833
Dodge Rating 734
Parry Rating 253
Block Rating 60
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Old 10-15-2009, 05:45 AM
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I've been looking through ths site for a simple calculation I can do on paper to work out the avoidence for my warrior as I try to put together a block set for anub (my guild want's me to do this)

I'm sorry if I've missed it but I'm just after a simplified calculation to use while I'm at work. I've got the script/macro's in game but I don't have all the set yet and the formulae cofuses me a little.

A friend has say just add up dodge + parry + block +16% and it will give you the avoidence number your after but I don't think it's right.

If you can help that would be fantastic thanks
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Old 10-15-2009, 10:31 AM
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add up your dodge, parry, block, add 5% base chance to miss and add your miss chance from defense.

The only miscalculation here is the DR calculation on Miss.

miss has a steep DR as well, so it can be misleading, but for simple maths you can just ignore it but realize if you're at 101.8% exactly, through this calculation, you're actually going to be a bit short.

I don't know where your friend came up with 16% because at 540 defense it's exactly 5.6% (pre-DR) miss + the base 5 = 10.6%, that's 6% extra he's pulling out of thin air.
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Old 10-19-2009, 02:33 AM
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If I run the macro for warriors I get 106,24%, we r actually on Anub and I am tanking adds, but even with that numbers I am getting unmitigated hits for 11k/13k.

What i am missing, shouldnt I be unhittable??
same here
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Old 10-21-2009, 01:55 AM
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1) Unhittable (paladins, warriors). This is the same one as above, slightly reworked - includes dodge + parry + miss + block. Should spit out the same numbers as the one above.
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/run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(format("Unhittable at 102.4%% - you have %.2f%%", GetDodgeChance() + GetBlockChance() + GetParryChance() + 5 + 1/(0.0625 + 0.956/(GetCombatRating(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL)/4.91850*0.04))))

Can anyone plz confirm if that's correct in patch 3.2.2? Working on my unhittable set for heroic Anub 25man and can i go off this macro?
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:41 AM
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If I run the macro for warriors I get 106,24%, we r actually on Anub and I am tanking adds, but even with that numbers I am getting unmitigated hits for 11k/13k.

What i am missing, shouldnt I be unhittable??
Low block value might make you take a big hit like that yes you are "unhittable" but if you blocking for 1500 your still going to be bent over eventually (i dont know your gear set up mearly guessing what the problems might be).

Or an add coulda snuck in and poked you from behind that is a possibility as well as that adds move funnily at times.
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Old 10-21-2009, 07:46 PM
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If I run the macro for warriors I get 106,24%, we r actually on Anub and I am tanking adds, but even with that numbers I am getting unmitigated hits for 11k/13k.

What i am missing, shouldnt I be unhittable??
Server miscommunication with your client can make a mob look to be in front of you and actually be behind you, and you can't block it. It's one of the drawbacks of this type of gearing. You never know when you might suddenly get server agro.
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:18 AM
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Also make sure you aren't counting on Holy Shield charges (or the warrior verison thereof) to get to unblockable. Every charge will be ripped off in a second or two with multiple adds on you.
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Old 10-26-2009, 10:21 AM
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Help

Ok, I know i'm a bit tired and all these macros are confusing me, can't think straight this morning.

Would someone please make a macro for me?

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