Hm.. nice guide... I noticed 2 things i'm not all that happy whit but don't know if it's me that is wrong:

1:
Sometimes i tend to have to much rage (lucky Sword or WF-Crits, extrarage due to Deathwish.. stuff like this). Then i carefully use HS instead of the Autoatack. This, for all i know, boosts my DPS a bit? Or am i doing a mistake here?


2.
Recklessness/Deathwish... The *woah* now i'm hitting the shit out of this guy Rotation .
You switch to 2 fast 1 handers and execute your enemy. I tend to start Deathiwsh, gather 100 Rage (should take about 2-3 Hits if nothing proccs and im on 0 rage) and then just: MS + Slamspamm. This basically gives a, for a 2 Hander, terribly fast Atackspeed (all 2 seconds Slam and MS thrown in there). If the rage is dumped (and the CD's still running) 1 Autohit will fill most of my Rage bar anyway and i can start over.
Is this bad? ... I have 2 fast 1 Handers.. but i'm kinda lazy (and don't have 2 T6 nor imp. Execute right now).

Ahh, true true. I guess what I was getting at is that 2H slam fury spec will out-dps the 2H slam arms spec with similar gear once at ilvl 128+.

Also, how do you suppose maintaining a fury slam rotation would be murch different than an arms slam rotation?

Arms:
Slam - no CD
MS - 6 second CD
WW - 10 second CD
Deathwish - 3 min CD (lasts 30 seconds)

Fury:
Slam - no CD
BT - 6 second CD
WW - 9 second CD
Rampage 6 second CD (lasts 30 seconds)

Rampage should be burned every 30 seconds, while Deathwish is every 3 minutes, but thats the only real difference in rotation. Its not the end of the world if you miss your Rampage by a rotation or two.

this build needs windfury totem to get the rage needed to compete on the dps charts. period....... otherwise in all purples it owns

Hey first off let me say thanks, i dont have the math skills or the time to figure these things that you provided out.

Now i do have a question however about using points in axe specialization rather than sword. i am a true 2h axe kinda Orc but i've read and considered your sword theories. i struggled last night for about an hour (like i said i lack the math skills and time) as i adjusted to 33/28 with the decision of whether to go with 5point in axe spec instead of sword or perhaps a combo of the two. if you and others would be so kind as to share your vast knowledge with me again it would really help a Orc brotha out. my concern is i have the Savage set and my hit rating is awful low (10 points i believe) while my crit in serker mode is 24%(noobish i know please dont bag on me, i worked for awhile to get my tank gear only to have to switch to dps for my guild) Im Thinking because of my crap gear i could use the extra crit % please let me as soon as yall have the time

Axe is fine for Orc's.

My buddy is an orc warrior and has been having a great deal of trouble getting slam arms to work...yet i can do it pvp and pve on my wifes tauren..

he says the boss moving around just a hair ruins his rotation but i never notice it on the tauren pve or pvp...infact even if someone is running away if i spamstring them i can get the slam off before they move out of range.

This has gotta be a function of the tauren having longer reach right?


I try not to move around alot during a boss fight but...i get itchy..i guess

Your buddy should just stand closer to the mob...

your buddy needs to just practice more. I'm an orc, and have the same abilities as you in both pve and pvp. hamstring gg.

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what do you guys think of this spec Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Your spec clearly falls into the "personal DPS" category, thus you start to compete with DW Fury spec, and not with Meeks' one. This way, your DPS is not going that far.
Taking 2/2 in BF place you under another perspective and justify your presence in a raid, despite the "low" arms DPS. This is strictly on the "math" side of the game.

In any case, i'd choose Imp Demo Shout, instead of Unbridled Wrath.

bye,

This is a personal dps build. If you're concerned about personal dps, spec 17/44/0 and DW MS warriors arent really brought to a raid for their own personal dps, but more for the buffs they bring. IMO Spec into blood frenzy, get a solarians sapphire and help your raid out.

hi,

i got the torch of demand of ROS-BT... i'm wondering wats the best talent to go for it.

or basically 2h MACES just suck for warrior pve wise

i can't go 5 point for mace.. cause can't stun boss.. where 5 points of sword is imba

actually 2hmace isnt that bad, wat ur missing is when it procs u also get 7 rage and even if the boss/trash is immune to stun, u will still get that 7rage. I know its nothing spectacular but its still good.

I think people mean that maces won't compare anywhere CLOSE to Sword/Axe, 7 rage isn't anywhere nearth worth another hit or 5% extra crit.

I used world breaker for a while and the dps was okay, a bit better than gorehowl. Basically use whichever is your best weapon, it may take some raids to test it out. Mace can do ok if it is a good mace, I would say world breaker and over. anything under that level your better of grabbing an s1 weapon if you have nothing else.

how much DPS should a SSC level MS Warrior need to put out to be useful?

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to be useful?
The blood frenzy buff alone adds 4% to all physical damage casters, so I would say take all your physical damage, take 4% of that from them.
Lets say this puts your avg physical dps at 700 dps
With an avg of 150 dps added to each from bf, and you have four of them total.
4 x 150 = 600 dps
so to equal your four physical dps'rs you actualy need that same bf warrior to only do 100 dps to be doing as much damage as them.

Though I doubt this is your question, if you are asking about how much dps should they be able to do at t5 level, then the answer is a well geared t5 warrior can do around 1k to 1.2k dps on a boss with windfury, kings, leader of the pack and trueshot aura.

Though just starting out in t5 they will prob not be at hit cap and be using mostly pvp gear and blues. I would say if they can come within 100 dps of your other melee then they have def earned their spot. Just make sure they are speced into blood frenzy, and are as close to hit 142 hit as they can get, but without gemming for it. s3 gear plus some ssc drops or badge rewards will put them at good t5-t6 level, but s1 will need a few craftables and drops to hit the hit mark and still do decent dps. your question just has so many factors in it it is hard to answer easily.

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Hello all, first time poster. I was reviewing this guide and found this poster had already summorized my two main questions, quoted below.

For reference, I am in BT level gear, hit capped, human/shard of contempt and have close to 1100 ArP w/o Exec proc. I typically log in pvp gear if any decide to armory me.


With respect to the first point, I routinely find myself with excess rage and have been using heroic strike instead of auto-swings to use it up. I typcially do this when I am over 60 rage and keeping MS/WW on cooldown. Furthermore, I am rarely required to OT as arms so I have begun taking 3 points in Imp. Heroic Strike, and only 2 in parry. I don't get the 'feeling' I am hurting my dps but would love some input from those with more experience.

As for the second point, I just don't know. I've tried both and the only 'evidence', which is admittedly anecdotal - I pull aggro and die around the 1-2% mark more often staying with 2h and keeping up my rotation, only executing at 60+ rage.

Thanks for any input, I am glad I found this site.

Really, if you have the rage to spare, heroic strike will always generate more dps than a regular white hit. the risk is that putting heroic strike into a standard rotation would give the impression that its okay to heroic strike a lot, and in most scenarios this isn't true. Good players will squeeze heroic strikes in when they can, but this isn't "standard rotation"

By all means, rage dump when you can, its why its called a rage dump.

For the second point, I'm still fairly confident that unless you have CRAZY amounts of AP to make your slam outscale execute damage, I think going to 2 fast 1 handers is best. But there is a point when your AP is buffed that you can slam for more damage than an execute of equal rage.

That's actually quite easy to determine damage wise:

Assuming Imp Execute spec'd:
20 rage to slam = 10 rage to execute + 10 more to convert to damage:
(925 + 210) = 1135 damage non crit

Most slam's will probably hit for more than this already, so I guess it doesn't require much AP to outscale the damage. I think the argument then is that you get a more solid stream of rage form 2 fast 1 handers, and since execute has no cooldown, and it doesn't reset the swing timer, you can mash it and get more executes than you could slams, since slamspam would likely put you at times of 0 rage.

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Hello, Meeks.

I am posting to motivate you to rewrite this guide so it is worded more clearly.

I have many questions.

I would be very glad if I could assist you in any way.