They just don't listen to me.
Posted 06-10-2008 at 11:23 AM by veneretio
It's a horrible, poisonousness feeling when you realize that your raid is zoning you out. Here's what I've found...
1. This is your fault
2. Get to the Point Faster
3. Repeat yourself, a lot
On progression you'll honestly need to repeat yourself 3 times. A lot of raid leaders don't do this simply because they do this ridiculously huge long winded explanation. It's better to give something a bit longer first try then do a summary after the first and 2nd wipe. Don't mess with the strat too much early on, you've gotta give people that didn't understand it the first couple times a chance to "get it".
The Hard Part
That's the easy part though. The hard part is addressing your co-leadership. Whether you realize it or not, you've got people that help you out. They are the people that are respected most amongst your raiders be it for their dps or charismatic speaking or for their seniority in the guild. They are the ones that you need to out right say to .... you have to support me.
If you don't have the respect of the respected. You're Screwed.
1. This is your fault
2. Get to the Point Faster
3. Repeat yourself, a lot
On progression you'll honestly need to repeat yourself 3 times. A lot of raid leaders don't do this simply because they do this ridiculously huge long winded explanation. It's better to give something a bit longer first try then do a summary after the first and 2nd wipe. Don't mess with the strat too much early on, you've gotta give people that didn't understand it the first couple times a chance to "get it".
The Hard Part
That's the easy part though. The hard part is addressing your co-leadership. Whether you realize it or not, you've got people that help you out. They are the people that are respected most amongst your raiders be it for their dps or charismatic speaking or for their seniority in the guild. They are the ones that you need to out right say to .... you have to support me.
If you don't have the respect of the respected. You're Screwed.
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Good points. One thing that always grates on me is the "well, we wiped twice, how about if we do XYZ?" and someone introduces a completely new strat.
NO. Stop. STFU. Take it to teh forums.
It might be a splendid idea and by the same token, a leader cannot be completely inflexible but nothing derails a raid like ripping apart a strat and rebuilding it mid raid or having too many people poking at all the blinking lights and knobs adjusting the raid strat.
Having people you can trust to step up and help but not overstep in a disruptive way is a huge benefit. Its a balancing act, really.Posted 06-10-2008 at 01:41 PM by Horacio 
- I don't know if you should say you have to support me.
Honestly how many people would you respect if they just blindly followed someone else. What is there to respect?
If you have charismatic/senior/natural leaders in your raid who don't agree with you why not have a discussion with them as to why they don't. Maybe they actually have better ideas, maybe they just don't think you are any good (who knows where that leads).Posted 06-11-2008 at 09:52 AM by Bonerot - The reason you need people to support you, at least in raid, is that raid morale is number one. If respected people disagree publicly on strategy during the raid, you have a *problem*. Settle it before, or after the raid.
Adjustments are fine. Completely revamping it needs a damn good reason.Posted 06-11-2008 at 10:06 AM by Finelle - That's how our first 4 hours on Brutallus went. Every try, someone would want to change the positioning this way, or that, getting into 10 minute strat discussions between pulls. Which is plainly ridiculous on such a simple fight. Once we got everyone to shut up and roll, two hours later we were getting 1% wipes to enrage. There's a time for discussion and change, but most of that can take place outside of raid time. Most of us have relatively limited raiding time, so you have to make the most of it.
Repeating yourself is good, but don't go too far. The worst thing you can do is talk too long. Everyone'll be alt tabbed and tuning you out. Be specific, and memorable, but brief.Posted 06-11-2008 at 10:19 AM by Kavtor -
Ya, I should have explained myself more thoroughly. I meant repeat yourself after each attempt. Assume people are zoning you out or are distracted and by doing a very quick overview between each fight, you'll get people on the same page as you even if they didn't catch it the first time.Posted 06-11-2008 at 08:22 PM by veneretio -
We had this problem when we started Kara on Moroes.
With ten different people we had suggestions for 15 different strats (don't ask me how we ended up with more strats then people, I have no idea!).
And every time we wiped, there were 15 more new strats.
Raiding is fun. /sigh.Posted 07-01-2008 at 03:39 PM by Smaken
