Attitudes
Posted 04-11-2009 at 03:10 PM by Petninja
I wonder what happened to make everyone so negative. It's not really restricted to WoW, but as it's the online game I spend the most time on it's the primary source of this attitude. My rogue dinged 80 and was challenged to a duel within an hour by another rogue. I accepted, since if I said no I'd be called a chicken, and figured I'll just lose to him and walk away (I was in leveling blues and greens and he was in full Hateful/Deadly with BiS weapons to boot). So I did my best and lost horribly and was called a nub, which I suppose is appropriate since I just dinged 80. I then couldn't burst down a tree fast enough to prevent him from healing himself back up, and got showered by "lol you suck, you can't even burst down a tree" which I was a little annoyed at since I was pretty sure I was playing my rogue much how they are supposed to be played in PvP. The Deadly rogue then duels the same tree and bursts him down very fast, using identical abilities in the same sequence I used. I can't for the life of me figure out how I could be "bad" when this "pro" rogue does the exact thing I do and just has better gear.
This got me thinking about the attitudes of people in this game and I'm pretty sure now that most people don't really have fun playing it. There are a lot of people who "have fun" just by telling others that they suck. Everyone wants to be the pillar of their class, and no one wants anyone else to play their class. I'd love to make friends with a couple rogues and do "roguish" things with them, but most of them would rather have nothing to do with you unless you're in their guild.
It's one of those problems that won't go away easily, but maybe we'd have less bad players on the servers if more "good" players gave some tips to the bad players about how to be more "pro" and helped them along. Saying "Go to EJ and get good" doesn't work. I'm not suggesting a 20 minute lecture on the nuances of class mechanics, but maybe next time you see a warlock spamming searing pain or a warrior with bad gemming you could tell him why it's a bad idea and what would do better for him instead of saying "lol u suck!" and maybe he'd listen and get better. Maybe you'll start asking questions about what you do too. Maybe you're just doing what's always worked for you and never knew why it worked and never tried to improve on it.
This got me thinking about the attitudes of people in this game and I'm pretty sure now that most people don't really have fun playing it. There are a lot of people who "have fun" just by telling others that they suck. Everyone wants to be the pillar of their class, and no one wants anyone else to play their class. I'd love to make friends with a couple rogues and do "roguish" things with them, but most of them would rather have nothing to do with you unless you're in their guild.
It's one of those problems that won't go away easily, but maybe we'd have less bad players on the servers if more "good" players gave some tips to the bad players about how to be more "pro" and helped them along. Saying "Go to EJ and get good" doesn't work. I'm not suggesting a 20 minute lecture on the nuances of class mechanics, but maybe next time you see a warlock spamming searing pain or a warrior with bad gemming you could tell him why it's a bad idea and what would do better for him instead of saying "lol u suck!" and maybe he'd listen and get better. Maybe you'll start asking questions about what you do too. Maybe you're just doing what's always worked for you and never knew why it worked and never tried to improve on it.
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I do see the attitude you talking about more frequently then I would like to. Fortunately there are a few excellent communities (like tankspot!) where "noobs" and veterans can come and partake in discussions together.
How ever from the other standpoint people that want to be told everything in game and not take any time to check for themselves aren't really learning anything and comments like "check elitist jerks" can be beneficial as it goes back to the old saying of Give a man a fish feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and feed him for life.Posted 04-11-2009 at 04:12 PM by Dtain
- I think that's one of the problems that came with the content being made easier in WotLK.
It's not that 'everyone' is negative per se, but more because since the content is a lot easier we're seeing a lot more younger and arrogant people.Posted 04-11-2009 at 06:17 PM by Matthras - It's not really something I'm just starting to see crop up. I've been running into these jackasses for years, and probably was among their ranks for a while. Anyone who really wants to improve can google for "<class> dps rotation" and within 10 minutes find something of some merit. Telling people to go to online is very rarely going to get someone to actually go, since if they haven't done it at all they either don't care to put forth that much effort or don't really know there's a difference. I think for a lot of people this is their first MMO, or even RPG and it's a lot more complex than the Final Fantasy (1-X2) series could even attempt to be. The same thing goes for any of the Bethesda games people love so much. I think they could use a helping hand, not a slap in the face or "here's a book you could read on your free time about your game you're trying to relax with".
I guess mostly I'm asking that if you are afraid you might fall into the group I've discussed you should try to be a little more understanding about the people who aren't as "1337 as j00". Being a nice person isn't so bad, really.Posted 04-11-2009 at 10:22 PM by Petninja 
- but maybe next time you see a warlock spamming searing pain or a warrior with bad gemming you could tell him why it's a bad idea and what would do better for him instead of saying "lol u suck!"
I'm not gona tell random people what they should or should not do. If people ask me for advice in a friendly way what I think is better for them then I'm gona do my best to try help them. But seeing random warrior 56 with strange gems and then try to tell him what would be better for him is generally not worth the effort. If you start critisicing people without them wanting it they will just go into super emo defensive mode and nothing you say will do any good anyway. So my advice is, don't say anything unless they ask for help, but when they do then help them as much as you can.
And about people telling other people they suck, that's nothing new. It's just the ease of the current content that let more people get the best gear and then they will just look down on the people who doesn't have it. How skilled they actually are is usually not a factor either, only gear matters.Posted 04-12-2009 at 08:44 AM by Tharr - This game can be summed up in one word "Time". Time spent, Quality of Time, ect. If someone actually cares enough they will spend the time to research their class and get better at what they do. It's like anything in life, if you want to be good at something it takes practice and learning.
If people do not even have the self motivation to go read a forum or spend a few hours researching, then my few words in game are a waste of both our time.Posted 04-12-2009 at 10:08 AM by Bodasafa - I think I agree with this post. I recieved a random pst from a guy saying I had nice welfare epics. Well excuse me if I do the best I can with what I have.... I was just standing in Ironforge looking at the AH to.. social skills have just been going down hill.Posted 04-13-2009 at 07:16 AM by Moonfanor
- It's kind of just how the world works. People, especially the more immature, typically feel the need to impose some sort of superiority over others. It makes them feel strong and powerful, sort of an emotional high. Sure most people don't really care, but in that players own little way, telling you that 'you're a nub' for not being able to beat him (regardless of him being vastly better geared) makes him feel just a little better about himself.
For example, I had a death knight named Daedrik challenge my warrior (Dadric) to a duel. I declined. He then went off on a rant about how he was so much better and how he would destroy me. I simply asked him what it would prove? he said it would prove he was better than me. I laughed and told him 'no, it would only prove that a better geared, pvp specced death knight can beat a lesser geared pve specced warrior which ultimately amounts to nothing'. He got infuriated. I could only laugh. He still called me a nub, but he never got the satisfaction of crushing someone that even if both players were equally skilled he would crush.
In conclusion, its an immature mindset definitely not limited to this game, but when you are faced with challenges like that sometimes its just better to walk away and let them stew.Posted 04-13-2009 at 09:32 AM by dadricvertanis - so you dueled because you were worried you were going to get called names? it didn't stop you from being called names in the end. Here's a tip if something is a bad idea don't do it.Posted 04-13-2009 at 12:22 PM by bludwork
- I've noticed a bizarre amount of namecalling and insults that seem oddly irrelevant. I was hanging out in Sons of Hodir land last night and some people were talking in general, making jokes about "some scrub" who just got the Heroic Fall of Naxxramus achievement. What a scrub, lol!
I myself had just got the 10 man version, literally 10 minutes before.
I said so in the general, too.
The issue that I have with this game is that it DOES come back to time. But there are no acceptances of that fact in a large majority of the community. I work full time. I run three websites that require maintenance and development. I am starting a television show. I do freelance web development work. So I find it difficult to find time for extensive raiding, and much of my (very casual) guild is the same. We raid twice a week, and in that tight schedule finally got good enough to kill KT.
I have a full and active life outside of WoW and fit in WoW where I can. But that doesn't matter in Ironforge, where some 20 year old unemployed shut-in will call you a loser because you DON'T spend all day and night raiding with a hardcore guild.
My advice is that if you get insulted in trade chat think about the context of WoW in your life and balance the comment accordingly.Posted 04-13-2009 at 08:18 PM by Whitegold - WTB - Bigger Ignore List
It is unfortunate but the current list is only so big and there are too many of these people behaving the same way...Posted 04-13-2009 at 09:00 PM by Arkwell - If someone challenges you to a duel and its blatantly obvious they only did so because they knew they would stomp you... you should accept and type /yield the moment the duel actually starts. I do it all the time. Then I /point and /laugh at them and walk away.Posted 06-11-2009 at 10:57 AM by Insom
