Green blue purple orange, time for a new level.
Everyone these days walks around in epics.
Epics used to be something to strive for and if you had a full set others would look up to you. And you would look up to them if you didn't have them.
I think that was a good thing.
This is gone and I also think it's good to get it back a bit.
That's why I'd like to see a new category of items. A category that's between epic and legendary. Seeing a lot of colors are used I guess brown or black border would be about right. (I prefer red border, but then you couldn't see if the item is broken or not.)
And, just like an epic item has a higher itembudget then a rare item with the same itemlevel, you could give those "fabled" items the same itemlevel as their epic counterparts, just with a higher itembudget.
Yes, I want to call them fabled items.
(As an example: ToC 25 would drop the "normal" epics and its heroic counterpart would drop the "fabled" items.)
In the end I think it's a good thing to set apart the top tier raiders from the normal tier raiders. There's awe and it's good for a game if there are "hard to impossible" to get things on the horizon.
Epics used to be something to strive for and if you had a full set others would look up to you. And you would look up to them if you didn't have them.
I think that was a good thing.
This is gone and I also think it's good to get it back a bit.
That's why I'd like to see a new category of items. A category that's between epic and legendary. Seeing a lot of colors are used I guess brown or black border would be about right. (I prefer red border, but then you couldn't see if the item is broken or not.)
And, just like an epic item has a higher itembudget then a rare item with the same itemlevel, you could give those "fabled" items the same itemlevel as their epic counterparts, just with a higher itembudget.
Yes, I want to call them fabled items.
(As an example: ToC 25 would drop the "normal" epics and its heroic counterpart would drop the "fabled" items.)
In the end I think it's a good thing to set apart the top tier raiders from the normal tier raiders. There's awe and it's good for a game if there are "hard to impossible" to get things on the horizon.
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Or we could do that with legendary items and make the new super rare items artifacts...Posted 10-20-2009 at 07:12 PM by Durenas 
- There's achievements, titles, and you can see item level now. What good would a color do other than let you epeen in Dalaran? Nothing says "I'm part of a good guild" like a server first title.
Posted 10-20-2009 at 07:15 PM by Petninja - Durenas- This would take away from the huge achievements of crafting/waiting for drops of legendaries that people have accomplished in the past. Having new items that are the same color as this would make these accomplishments less powerful, at least in my eyes.
Orc- I think this is a really great idea. I always loved being low level and looking at guys in the top guilds on my server running around in Epics. Its really fun for newer people (and veterans of the game, in my opinion) to be able to easily (ILevels aren't quickly looked at and understood all the time, especially to newer players) see someone's status.
Maybe some more casual players wouldn't like this because they like the feeling of being equally geared as the higher level players, but I've always felt that you really should earn your rewards fairly.Posted 10-20-2009 at 08:16 PM by Poolstick 
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Let me be clear, I think the progression of gear these days is much better. In vanilla you had no chance of seeing nax if you reached 60 late. Nowadays, people can, with a lot of effort, get their selves up to par and even step in if they're really good.
But, just something different..........if only a color, for the items you get by beating the hardest encounters.Posted 10-20-2009 at 08:36 PM by orcstar - Well, there IS always that "heroic" title on the items. Sure, it's small, but it's different colored than the standard white item text which makes it stand out. Also, it only applies to ToGC 10/25 man and it's not really implemented on Uld 10/25 hard modes (which, in my opinion seem to be a LOT harder than ToGC 10/25).
Or, what they could do is have more legendaries available for the hardcore fan base in the world.Posted 10-20-2009 at 08:53 PM by kpxneophyte -
My co-gm & I often lament about the lack of 'specialness' in this game since we said goodbye to BC, and we mean that about alot of things.
Whether it's the lack of grand scale feel to boss fights like Illidan, the ordinary looking gear models, or the almost complete lack of gear gaps between progression guilds & the rest of the pack.
Take for instance sitting in Shatt, you'd look at someone's gear & wish you could be doing the same content, no matter how unlikely it was back then in your last guild. The fact that there was content you hadn't seen yet kept you going, whereas nowdays every man & his black dog is in the same instance.
Sure I understand Blizz loves it's monthly subscription pocket money, and the way to get more of that is to make content accessible to everyone, but we sometimes get saddened by the lack of 'epicness' in Wrath that used to keep us addicted in BCPosted 10-20-2009 at 09:25 PM by Tygorl - /agree
It's now item level that one has to look for instead of just whether epic or not. Although heroic gear now comes with a shiny green "Heroic" stamp under the item name... that does it for me sometimes.Posted 10-20-2009 at 10:58 PM by Eraser - If anyone looks at an item and only sees purple, then something isn't right.
And I think the 'Heroic' stamp goes a long way to showing just how good a player is. Though I might be tempted to have it removed once a new tier comes out, so people can't backtrack to get the 'heroic' items.
Heck, just remove it from new drops and keep the tag on items you got during that tier. Then when Cataclysm comes along you can walk around in your old T10 Heroic gear and show everyone how great you are after everything is 'reset'.Posted 10-21-2009 at 04:15 AM by Durandro - I agree with most of these posts. We're lacking a great sense of "awe-ness". I played from Beta to 1 week before Naxx came out. Just recently came back about 3 months ago. There was usually on 2-4 guilds per server doing ALL the content available. Now it's everyone.
Granted that the casual player might feel screwed due to not having the same opportunities in the game as everyone else, but then again, those players who were geared alot better than anyone esle forsook time from real life and invested it heavily into WoW.
It's the casual player's choice to be casual. "No it's not they have responsibilities!!!!" That's a choice too. Everyone makes it.. the hardcore players make it in favor of WoW.
Give us back some sense of pride and Uniqueness for our devotion of time, money, effort.
BTW.. I'm now considered a "casual player". Only being able to put in maybe 10-15 hours a week.
Maybe make it so that casual players still have a chance to get the uber gear... But make it so that they have to work hard for it too... So what if it takes longer...
ADD SOME DIVERSITY!!!Posted 10-21-2009 at 05:30 AM by Reevo - That's what Heroic Epics and Legendaries do now to be honest. While alot of guilds can do all content now, only a small number can clear ToGC and the like.
Frankly, the game is as balanced between casual and hardcore play as it ever has been. Focusing purely on 'epix' isn't going to get you anywhere, you need to look at the actual item and how relivent it is to the character using it.
And really it's as it should be. Blizzard evidently decided that it was pointless spending thousands of man-hours designing content that only a few thousand people at best would be able to clear. So they made two difficulty settings (or four, if you consider 10 and 25 man content to be differing in difficulty - which it is, to a degree, only they switch between which is more difficult depending on the boss in question) so they could please both camps.
As it was, 'end game' content was out of reach of most people to the point where they didn't even bother trying and just stuck to the easier stuff. Now at least they can aspire to be better then they are, since they get a taste of endgame content and can then start thinking about stepping it up a notch instead of endless hours of wipes.
Oh, and if you want real difficult progression, don't wear Normal quality drops from the Hard Modes (edit: instance, rather) you're clearing. Just go from Hard Mode to Hard Mode, and you'll then see how hard things can get. But I digress.
The 'Heroic' stamp on T9 gear does all this in my opinion. I honestly don't know what else you expect.Posted 10-21-2009 at 06:22 AM by Durandro - I muse about classic now and again with my guildmates. Back in the days where if you had epics - you raided, or were very very dedicated to pvp.
- Even if you managed to dredge molten core for pieces of T1, you were looked at with envy by at least 60% of the server.
- Where every gold piece you got, was worth 100, 1000 by today's standards.
Enough lamenting, my feelings are that both adding rungs to the ladder - as well as shortening its overall length - has cheapened everything to Playskool level. I believe that the ladder should be restored, even if it means I go down a rung (or three.) because we are no-way near the top.Posted 10-21-2009 at 08:15 AM by Conreeaght - And where no matter how skilled you were, if you weren't there from the start, there was not a real way of getting anywhere else then ZG or MC fails.Quote:Originally Posted by Conreeaght
I muse about classic now and again with my guildmates. Back in the days where if you had epics - you raided, or were very very dedicated to pvp.
- Even if you managed to dredge molten core for pieces of T1, you were looked at with envy by at least 60% of the server.
- Where every gold piece you got, was worth 100, 1000 by today's standards.
Enough lamenting, my feelings are that both adding rungs to the ladder - as well as shortening its overall length - has cheapened everything to Playskool level. I believe that the ladder should be restored, even if it means I go down a rung (or three.) because we are no-way near the top.
No, Vanilla wow was bad. For success in PvP you needed Nax epics and 15-20 hardcore raiders dragged along 20 slackers.
Epics were more a sign that you raided from the start and that you had the time to do so then anything else. Certainly not a sign of skill.Posted 10-21-2009 at 12:18 PM by orcstar - orcstar, I think you misrepresented me in order to point out the flaws in classic (of which there were flaws. I never said classic was the best thing ever, I just said 'that's what it was like then, this is where it is now.' Vanilla WoW had issues, BC had issues, LK has issues, no denying it there.
I never once mentioned the word 'skill' for a very purposful reason (note no edits.) Relax. I'm agreeing with you. I just think that instead of picking randomly from the colour wheel that we save the graphics card a few bits and make some colour reversion rather then find another word from the thesarus that means the same thing as "BS."Posted 10-21-2009 at 06:20 PM by Conreeaght - Heroic stamp is only good if people stop to examine you in detail. But when even someone who hasnt stepped foot into a single raid has exactly the same looking shoulders as someone who's skinned 25-man heroic Anubarak, nobody cares anymore.
All the alliance look like they've come out of a mold, even the colors are identical. Hell you can hardly tell if that dude is a shaman or a hunter even.
LOOKS matter. It's not about just having epics. When me & my friends were stuck on Gnomeregan, a lvl 60 dude in full T1 came to help us out. We were in awe at how cool his gear looked. I worked my ass off to get myself a set too. And i got it. And i got T2 too, poked around in AQ40 too. Before i got awed by that gear, i was thinking "raids are too much trouble, i wont raid". Same thing with TBC. Black Temple loot made you drool even with the looks.
Now i'm sitting around in Dalaran with Starcaller as my title and 80% of the server doesnt even know what it means. The looks on my gear is the same as that dude who farmed heroics and never set foot in a raid. I'm a nobody.Posted 10-23-2009 at 07:14 AM by Fledern - If being 'special' because you raid other than titles and achievements is what you're looking for, that ship left the dock a long time ago. The game has changed, and epeen <> items anymore.
Also, any of you who equated epics with skill in Vanilla aren't remembering things well. I remember carrying lots of 40-man filler in my raids I tanked.Posted 10-25-2009 at 05:50 PM by mavfin
