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Posted 04-16-2008 at 01:16 PM by klor


Well, I guess this is where I could add all kinds of metaphors...

Dont look a gift horse in the mouth. All good things come to an end. Thats how the cookie crumbles...

They all lead down to this. No matter how well a guild is going, people are going to get fed up with things. When a raid leader is an idiot, and a terrible tank, others tend to not like being in 'his shadow'. Last night the only reliable prot pally in our guild left. I am not sure as to why, but I can only guess that it was because he was tired of being in the shadow of the raid leader. I personally do not blame him. Even with our fast progression, it did not once have anything to do with our raid leader short of the fact that two prot pallies made Tidewalker a joke. I do not want to toot my own horn, but I know how to tank. I know this because I have had many people tell me so. Our raid leader, however, does not know how to tank. He claims he has a level 70 druid, warrior, and paladin tank. It really makes me wonder how one can make such claims, when I have seen the very opposite. We did not down Lady Vashj because of this tank. He was basically dead weight in the fight. I found myself rushing around to pick up naga, knowing each time which healer it was going to, and calling it out on vent when I already had one on me, but yet still this paladin failed to pick it up. I would intervene in the nick of time, taunt, and turn just in time to watch someone take a cleave... my fault? perhaps... but if I hadnt done it, dead healer meant we would have wiped because he was the only healer in the center. The paladin responded when I called him out on vent for it "I tried." Well, there comes a point where trying just doesnt cut it anymore especially when you're so egotistical that you call everyone out on their mistakes yet have no idea what you're talking about.

Last night, we had 3 people split from the guild because our raid channel is only accessible if an officer moves you in. Someone moved a hunter in, and the raid leader blew up on him. He told him he was an idiot, and gquit, taking 3 friends with him. These people were also friends with our reliable prot pally. Notice the picture at the top? it only takes one person to be pushed down for the rest to follow. My question now is, where shall I go when this guild collapses? The last time a guild collapsed because of the raid leader ( Rest in peace <The Unyielding> ), I rode the guild to the very last breath before leaving. I guess we shall see tonight. I managed to pick up the experience I needed and got back my self-confidence in tanking new encounters, perhaps its time to finally take up one of the offers of the BT guilds that have been handed to me...

All I know is, this guild is dying fast. Raid leaders who have foot in mouth syndrome and cannot admit when they are wrong is the quickest way to kill a guild. Perhaps its for the better, perhaps not. I just know that I refuse to stick around and put up with a terrible tank especially when he is failing but refuses to give up his spot to let another tank that can do it better do so. Last night he could not survive the burst of the shaman on fathom lord, but would not let the druid with 3K more hp and 10K more armor do the job. When pride and ego gets in the way, its time to step down as a tank. The guild needs to come first, always. I stepped down tanking Anatheron last night because the reliable prot pally took less damage than I did, and I wanted to down the boss. Its just been a whole lot of BS in the guild the past few days. I guess I'll talk to the prot pally tonight and see why he left, maybe I can talk him into coming back then call out the raid leader on his ignorance. If not, then good bye to yet another guild. It only takes one person to mess up a raid, and when its the raid leader...thats just too many issues.

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  1. Old Comment
    Wow Klor. How interesting these dynamics are. Glad to hear that your confidence is strong and, no matter what happens next, I know you wil be in a secure position to succeed! Thanks for sharing.
    Posted 04-16-2008 at 01:34 PM by Lilie Lilie is offline
  2. Old Comment
    Maybe your RL sucks because he is trying to lead and tank at the same time? Maybe letting someone else, like a dps, lead for tank-critical fights would help? And have another officer do the loot etc?
    Posted 04-16-2008 at 02:36 PM by Thist Thist is offline
  3. Old Comment
    Welcome to the painful, intricate jump from casual raiding to serious raiding. The fact that you got there in under 2 weeks shows that your guild does everything fast. Having a GL/RL without a clue ESPECIALLY in a tanking position is almost impossible to get past. I guess it all comes back to the upsides of having a slower progressing raid, where you get a better feel for people, and they get the time to improve that they need. We've had some underwhelming players develop into solid links of our raiding crew, but its definately taken time to get to where we are. (Which still is about 5-6 raid spots short of perfect)
    Posted 04-16-2008 at 02:44 PM by Bullwrinkle Bullwrinkle is offline
  4. Old Comment
    Klimpen's Avatar
    Protip: If you don't want your guild to collapse, don't invite Klor.

    Sub 2 weeks there klor?
    Posted 04-17-2008 at 03:32 AM by Klimpen Klimpen is offline
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    Marn's Avatar
    Get into another guild fast and then poison them against your former raid leader if he attempts to join them as well!
    Posted 04-17-2008 at 05:08 AM by Marn Marn is offline
  6. Old Comment
    I don't want to be "that guy," but those are Clichés, not metaphors.
    Posted 04-17-2008 at 06:49 AM by Poolstick Poolstick is offline
  7. Old Comment
    Damn that sucks. I learned preTBC, hopping from one ZG/MC guild to another, that the true test of a guild is how they handle the difficult times and the cockblocks. "This guy is an idiot" "that guy sucks", doesn't help in times like this. You're progressing nicely, vashj is hard (the learning part) and will test everyone in the raid. It will take hours and hours for everyone get it and execute it for that first kill.

    Stay or leave? tough choice. If it's not a tightnit group it's probably going to fall apart.
    Posted 04-17-2008 at 07:39 AM by bludwork bludwork is offline
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    MasterWolf's Avatar
    Good strong tanks will always be needed. Learn from the experiences and move on if needed. Don't stay until the guild is dead. Don't leave yet, but if more defections occur, then jump ship before it sinks.
    Posted 04-17-2008 at 11:13 AM by MasterWolf MasterWolf is offline
 

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