Prot dps in a raid setting.
Posted 04-29-2008 at 01:15 AM by Galushi
A week or so ago, on one of our rare full attendance nights, I had one of my other warriors in my tank corps MT Anetheron. Being a one-tank fight, this allowed me to strap on my pewpew gear and do some dps on the boss. My dps gear is a ways beyond the other prot warriors in the guild, and his prot gear isn't that far behind mine so it seemed like an obvious benefit to the raid. So got myself in the melee group (we have no fulltime dps warrior atm), threw on my Solarians Sapphire, and went to town. I was a bit shocked at what the meters showed at the end.
I landed 4th damage on the WWS for the fight. As a protection warrior. Because i had opted for Salvation from any pally willing to toss me a 10min blessing, i ended up losing Kings to get it. So i was missing kings and might and still pulled the numbers i did. My group consisted of our Enh. Shaman, Feral druid, and i believe two rogues. Towards the end of the fight at around 5% boss health, i died an infernal landing next to me, then a carrion swarm that hit for 6k and finished me off. At time of death i was 30dps from pulling off top fight dps under a rogue, and by the time the boss died i was down to 4th on total damage.
I'm not quite sure if it was because i got lucky with proc/buff synergies lining up, an increase in rage from enviromental damage (even tho i didn't feel like i was using that many heroic strikes more then normal) or what exactly happened. But when a guild maintank switches gear without changing spec and pulls top 5 damage against the normal dps crew it makes people wonder. Are the rest of the dps'ers just slacking, or am I just doing way beyond what i should typically be doing as prot?
I use a pretty standard protdps rotation that from personal experience and everything ive read to be the most efficient. Using devastate every GCD, Whirlwind when its up, and blowing extra rage on heroic strike whenever my rage is above 50. It seems that prot dps still scales pretty well with gear cuz of a few things like 10% 1h dmg, 10% bonus strength, very rage efficient abilities, at a cost of generating a lot of unnecesary threat. With Salvation and a decent tank I dont seem to have many threat issues. Yet with all my dps gear, I always seem to surprise other people with how much a prot warrior can do.
Unbuffed in zerker stance I have 1834 ap, 33% crit, 147 hit, 140 ArP, [item]Claw of Molten Fury[/item](Executioner) for Mainhand and [item]Talon of Azshara[/item](Mongoose) for Offhand. Currently i use Solarians Saphire, Romulos Poison Vial ( to get +hit over 9%), and the SSO rep neck for an additional AP proc. I believe i was self buffed with Sharpening stone on offhand, Str food, Str scroll, and an Elixir of Major Agility.
1248 dps according to the report
http://wowwebstats.com/qhwedijfvx4ak?s=7938-8237
I'd like to think maybe my dps is just way beyond what a typical prot warrior does, but maybe my raid dps is just that bad to make me look good? I'm also scared to know what I might be capable of with a "real dps spec". But i enjoy prot dps so much more. It makes me pretty happy to know that I'm almost as viable as a feral druid when it comes to MT'ing then Dpsing, though a gear switch is completely necesary for me to change roles.
I landed 4th damage on the WWS for the fight. As a protection warrior. Because i had opted for Salvation from any pally willing to toss me a 10min blessing, i ended up losing Kings to get it. So i was missing kings and might and still pulled the numbers i did. My group consisted of our Enh. Shaman, Feral druid, and i believe two rogues. Towards the end of the fight at around 5% boss health, i died an infernal landing next to me, then a carrion swarm that hit for 6k and finished me off. At time of death i was 30dps from pulling off top fight dps under a rogue, and by the time the boss died i was down to 4th on total damage.
I'm not quite sure if it was because i got lucky with proc/buff synergies lining up, an increase in rage from enviromental damage (even tho i didn't feel like i was using that many heroic strikes more then normal) or what exactly happened. But when a guild maintank switches gear without changing spec and pulls top 5 damage against the normal dps crew it makes people wonder. Are the rest of the dps'ers just slacking, or am I just doing way beyond what i should typically be doing as prot?
I use a pretty standard protdps rotation that from personal experience and everything ive read to be the most efficient. Using devastate every GCD, Whirlwind when its up, and blowing extra rage on heroic strike whenever my rage is above 50. It seems that prot dps still scales pretty well with gear cuz of a few things like 10% 1h dmg, 10% bonus strength, very rage efficient abilities, at a cost of generating a lot of unnecesary threat. With Salvation and a decent tank I dont seem to have many threat issues. Yet with all my dps gear, I always seem to surprise other people with how much a prot warrior can do.
Unbuffed in zerker stance I have 1834 ap, 33% crit, 147 hit, 140 ArP, [item]Claw of Molten Fury[/item](Executioner) for Mainhand and [item]Talon of Azshara[/item](Mongoose) for Offhand. Currently i use Solarians Saphire, Romulos Poison Vial ( to get +hit over 9%), and the SSO rep neck for an additional AP proc. I believe i was self buffed with Sharpening stone on offhand, Str food, Str scroll, and an Elixir of Major Agility.
1248 dps according to the report
http://wowwebstats.com/qhwedijfvx4ak?s=7938-8237
I'd like to think maybe my dps is just way beyond what a typical prot warrior does, but maybe my raid dps is just that bad to make me look good? I'm also scared to know what I might be capable of with a "real dps spec". But i enjoy prot dps so much more. It makes me pretty happy to know that I'm almost as viable as a feral druid when it comes to MT'ing then Dpsing, though a gear switch is completely necesary for me to change roles.
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1000 dps while prot specced in DPS gear is pretty standard to be honest. It gets hard to scale up your damage past that point in my personal experience. To be perfectly blunt, your raid's DPS is low.
You should use that WWS to motivate your raiders to up their DPS.Posted 04-29-2008 at 03:24 AM by Rak 
- Well given that we are a guild just starting Hyjal/BT because of the attunement being lifted, im pretty sure since we're way behind the progression curve that we aren't hardcore in anyway when it comes to min/maxxing raids or even playing skill. Some of the people dont use optimal raid specs, or are fairly new so their gear is a bit lacking.
But with a lot of raiders going MIA lately and not a huge recruitment pool, i kinda have to work with whoever shows up. I try to work with them to up their dps, but theres only so much you can do for people if they arent fulling motivating themselves. Hopefully with reports like this the shame of losing to a prot warrior will kick them in gear. Heh.Posted 04-29-2008 at 04:42 AM by Galushi - I'd agree, if what you say is true, your guild needs to work on its DPS big time.
My guild is kind of in the same boat as you, we killed Vashj but not Kael pre-2.4 and now we are 5/5 4/9 and still no Kael (not my choice at this point, grrrrr). Our top DPS'ers can run about 1500 DPS on average. Of course we stack groups with Druids, Shammies, Shadow Priests, Surv/BM Hunters, a Ret pally (as well as plenty of others), ect. We get the most DPS out of our groups by stacking groups and not wasting any buffs.Posted 04-29-2008 at 06:49 AM by Poolstick -
Why are you missing 6% of your devestates with 147 hit?Posted 04-29-2008 at 09:43 AM by MasterWolf - Those are dodges, not misses. Click on the 'column' button above the table to show more detail.
Posted 04-29-2008 at 10:49 AM by Kavtor - Gotcha.
Posted 04-29-2008 at 01:51 PM by MasterWolf - you had it all tho. drums of battle, windfury, heroism
Posted 04-29-2008 at 02:33 PM by bludwork - i need to get glaives so i can pull 2k dps on gorefiend as prot. ss me before the fight plz.
Posted 04-29-2008 at 03:33 PM by byechee - yeah our Enh shaman is the one with Drums of Battle.
Posted 04-30-2008 at 12:55 AM by Galushi - Also i assume since one fight is a small sample size, i got a little unlucky with them dodging devastates. I only have the 6 talented Expertise while in my dps gear.
Posted 04-30-2008 at 12:56 AM by Galushi - No shard?
Posted 04-30-2008 at 06:59 AM by MasterWolf - Ive done heroic MGT twice on my warrior. One caster thingy, one shard, which i proceeded to roll a 2 on versus two other rogues wanting it.
Posted 04-30-2008 at 10:10 AM by Galushi - Since writing this 3 months ago, it kinda makes me sad that my dps gear hasnt changed overly much. I've gained about 30 ap, lost 1% crit, gained 300 ArP (which is actually pretty sizable) and dropped romulos for a real dps trinket, Shard of Contempt. I frickin love this thing. I haven't really had a solid protdps endeavor since, but i do run occasionally as Fury and hit 1500-1700dps on fights like Anetheron or Teron Gorefiend that are melee friendly.
Oh i also got 3rd dmg on tk trash up to Alar by virtue of staying alive the most and avrging about 1000-1100 dps as prot. lolPosted 08-06-2008 at 06:30 PM by Galushi
