I raid on US-Khaz'goroth as a mage and a protection warrior. Bouncing between Sunwell Plateau and Serpentshrine Cavern and all the zones in-between, I'm one confused raider.
Guild Drama
Progression has stalled in both my mage’s and warrior’s guilds. Disconnections during Felmyst have been plaguing us, and a recent spate of hackery and people taking the opportunity to jump ship have resulted in a guild playlet and reshuffling in my warrior’s guild.
It all started out when the GM got hacked. In the middle of the night, the hackers stripped all her characters, cleaned out the guild bank, and transferred her main character off the server. To do that, they had to disband the guild and sell off the gems, recipes and Hearts of Darkness in the auction house. We came on to find ourselves unguilded and were quickly invited into an interim guild with a name similar to the old one. Blizzard specialists said they were working on it, but it would take weeks to get the items back and the old guild name reinstalled.
Since this is a casual raiding guild, there were as many as 300-400 original members on the roster. For a short period, everyone was given the enrolling ability in an attempt to get the regulars back again.
Havok ensued.
Some core raiders, most of them in a clique and dissatisfied with how the guild pandered to bad players, opted not to return. They declared retirement and went on to form their own guild, anticipating 10-man raiding in WotLK. Among them include a prot pally who was crucial for many fights posting about selling off his account when in actual fact, he went for a name change, changed guilds and ignored all old acquaintances.
Personally, I have no bone to grind with them. Coming from a progression guild, I’ve been frustrated many times by the way things are done, but this is a casual raiding guild and I’m grateful that my warrior gets to main-tank two days a week for them. My only regret is they were good players and we managed to carry bad players because of them.
More insidious were the new breed of bad players that slipped in through the indiscriminate enrolment. First week back in SSC after the hacking fiasco, we had a mage and a fury warrior that got into the guild by posing as old members. They had the benefit of a doubt because that's just the way the guild works. But then things got interesting that night.
The mage died at every trash pull, and I had to assign a tank to watch her target since she couldn’t keep a mob sheeped. She then whined that the tank was breaking her sheep. During Hydross, she kept nuking during phase changes despite being told not to and typically died one min into every attempt. After several failed tries, including a few where she pulled aggro during phase change and wiped us, we went for Lurker instead. This resulted in more deaths during trash clears and she insisted that a repair bot be put down because her gear was broken.
All this time, the fury warrior kept asking about the loot system and went on and on about the gear that he needed, sulking when he failed to win anything. He managed to wipe the raid twice, first by running straight into a pack and then by neglecting his adds during Lurker. Since my warrior is as decked out as I can make him, I usually log on just before raids and knew little about the ongoing fiasco. I was getting quite riled up by their behaviour and was told they had been given several warnings previously.
An officer finally g-kicked the warrior before our last attempt on Lurker, but fortunately, he didn’t or rather, couldn’t sabotage the fight. We managed to down Lurker and went back for another attempt at Hydross.
This time, the mage spammed the [item]Piccolo of the Flaming Fire[/item] so that nobody could eat and drink before Hydross. And kept on spamming it despite calls to stop. She was g-kicked and in vindictiveness, trained trash down on us. Since we were in resist gear waiting to tank Hydross, we died quickly to the wave of collosus, spore bats and nagas. This was followed by a spate of cursing and name-calling over TS till we had to kick her out of there too. In retrospect, we should've waited till the raid was over to g-kick.
A pally from my mage’s guild was tagging along, hoping for the libram from Lurker. It didn’t drop, but he said he laughed himself silly and would come again if such drama was the norm in the guild. I'm sure it's fun, but only if it's not happening in your own backyard.
Thankfully, that hasn’t happened since, but in an attempt to shore up the hole left by good players, we’ve been actively recruiting, including several warlocks that put out 400 dps. Raiding farmed bosses now take several wipes or happen not at all.
1 month to go – I’m considering throwing the towel and just levelling my alts. And if my application to change mains is successful, I’m going to have to put my warrior back into my main guild anyway.
It all started out when the GM got hacked. In the middle of the night, the hackers stripped all her characters, cleaned out the guild bank, and transferred her main character off the server. To do that, they had to disband the guild and sell off the gems, recipes and Hearts of Darkness in the auction house. We came on to find ourselves unguilded and were quickly invited into an interim guild with a name similar to the old one. Blizzard specialists said they were working on it, but it would take weeks to get the items back and the old guild name reinstalled.
Since this is a casual raiding guild, there were as many as 300-400 original members on the roster. For a short period, everyone was given the enrolling ability in an attempt to get the regulars back again.
Havok ensued.
Some core raiders, most of them in a clique and dissatisfied with how the guild pandered to bad players, opted not to return. They declared retirement and went on to form their own guild, anticipating 10-man raiding in WotLK. Among them include a prot pally who was crucial for many fights posting about selling off his account when in actual fact, he went for a name change, changed guilds and ignored all old acquaintances.
Personally, I have no bone to grind with them. Coming from a progression guild, I’ve been frustrated many times by the way things are done, but this is a casual raiding guild and I’m grateful that my warrior gets to main-tank two days a week for them. My only regret is they were good players and we managed to carry bad players because of them.
More insidious were the new breed of bad players that slipped in through the indiscriminate enrolment. First week back in SSC after the hacking fiasco, we had a mage and a fury warrior that got into the guild by posing as old members. They had the benefit of a doubt because that's just the way the guild works. But then things got interesting that night.
The mage died at every trash pull, and I had to assign a tank to watch her target since she couldn’t keep a mob sheeped. She then whined that the tank was breaking her sheep. During Hydross, she kept nuking during phase changes despite being told not to and typically died one min into every attempt. After several failed tries, including a few where she pulled aggro during phase change and wiped us, we went for Lurker instead. This resulted in more deaths during trash clears and she insisted that a repair bot be put down because her gear was broken.
All this time, the fury warrior kept asking about the loot system and went on and on about the gear that he needed, sulking when he failed to win anything. He managed to wipe the raid twice, first by running straight into a pack and then by neglecting his adds during Lurker. Since my warrior is as decked out as I can make him, I usually log on just before raids and knew little about the ongoing fiasco. I was getting quite riled up by their behaviour and was told they had been given several warnings previously.
An officer finally g-kicked the warrior before our last attempt on Lurker, but fortunately, he didn’t or rather, couldn’t sabotage the fight. We managed to down Lurker and went back for another attempt at Hydross.
This time, the mage spammed the [item]Piccolo of the Flaming Fire[/item] so that nobody could eat and drink before Hydross. And kept on spamming it despite calls to stop. She was g-kicked and in vindictiveness, trained trash down on us. Since we were in resist gear waiting to tank Hydross, we died quickly to the wave of collosus, spore bats and nagas. This was followed by a spate of cursing and name-calling over TS till we had to kick her out of there too. In retrospect, we should've waited till the raid was over to g-kick.
A pally from my mage’s guild was tagging along, hoping for the libram from Lurker. It didn’t drop, but he said he laughed himself silly and would come again if such drama was the norm in the guild. I'm sure it's fun, but only if it's not happening in your own backyard.
Thankfully, that hasn’t happened since, but in an attempt to shore up the hole left by good players, we’ve been actively recruiting, including several warlocks that put out 400 dps. Raiding farmed bosses now take several wipes or happen not at all.
1 month to go – I’m considering throwing the towel and just levelling my alts. And if my application to change mains is successful, I’m going to have to put my warrior back into my main guild anyway.
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Wow. I hate to say it, but I have skirted the edge of similar situations though nothing that went that far. The whole great players surrounded by lousey players...yeah...and its painful.
And there are many different levels and classifications of bad players. Some you can deal with, some you can't but in situations as you described, they all get lumped in together and drag the raid down.Posted 10-06-2008 at 09:09 AM by Horacio 
- I got into similar situation in pre-BC. Once, we got a warrior wanting to offtank in AQ20, he was sporting lv 44 green plate, I think it was the thorium set who give some +res. This run, he won the 2h epic from the second boss, I passed to him since I was DW and already had good gear, I just wanted it as toy. 2 week later, I see him in BG with 2 lv 55 blue weapons.
"Why you don't use your 2h with MS spec for PvP?"
"That 2h sucked, I sold it."
...Posted 10-06-2008 at 10:13 PM by djiss - I'm lucky in the sense that this is my alt's guild and if things go bad, I still have my main guild to fall back on. Because of that, my expectations are far lower. I do feel for the good players in that guild though, especially when frustration sets in after several weeks of failing to down a boss when they are already doing their best. Ah well, 1 week left to try and get bear mount from ZA (curse my rolls!) and my greatest concern right now is to be allowed to play a prot war for WotLK. The alternative is to transfer off the server since no other guild on the same timezone is as progressed as my main guild currently. And that also means paying to transfer 8 characters....*shudder*
Posted 10-07-2008 at 09:14 PM by Elyvern
