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BryceE
12-07-2011, 09:25 AM
I was looking at fire of the deep and the valor neck to buy first, but can't decide which I want to get. I was figuring get the neck and hoping for soulshifter vortex or one of those trinkets to drop in DS, but I know my luck on drops so probably would never get it lol.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/nazgrel/Galook/advanced

Dreadski
12-07-2011, 11:18 AM
Both are good upgrades, I can see why you're torn. The trinket, however, in your 13 slot is technically for DPS although strength is good for tanking as well, just not as good as say, dodge. I think in your shoes I'd go for the trinket first.

Outbackjack
12-07-2011, 12:06 PM
My two cents, but I ended up going with the cloak first. Unfortunately we don't have any Strength tanking cloak drops in Dragon Soul, so I justified the purchase by thinking that this item was not going to be replaced by anything in this current patch. My Valor Point strategy is usually "What can I buy that won't be replaced right away/at all", then move to "items I can upgrade that I won't be replacing soon (IE: boss drops we haven't reached yet)."


Plus the cloak is badass looking. I just wish it was itemized a little better :(

Kazeyonoma
12-07-2011, 12:38 PM
yeah I've been thinking the same thing outbackjack so I think i'll go for the cloak (using agi cloak with 2 red sockets from firelands right now ha) because it's our only option, then trinket (i don't have a good mastery trinket since i never finished BH rep), and then finally the neck. The rest of the gear while enticing and clear upgrades, will inevitably be replaced by tier gear because at least for tanking, raid wide shield wall is too strong of a cd to NOT get.

Theotherone
12-07-2011, 12:52 PM
Before you buy the cloak, there's a 378 that drops on the first boss in Hour of Twilight what is pretty sweet mastery wise (as is the shield off the second boss; not that it ever drops when I'm on my pally or warrior).

http://www.wowhead.com/item=72854 = Hour of Twilight

http://www.wowhead.com/item=77099 = Vendor

Dreadski
12-07-2011, 01:06 PM
I managed to farm everything out of those dungeons, very nice upgrades for the most part, especially for the slots that couldn't be upgraded with tier pieces from JP/VP.

BryceE
12-07-2011, 01:25 PM
I guess I'll just save valors a bit more til I can decide.

Also, I ran my toon through Rawr and why is it having to gem ALL mastery past the block cap o.o. In the optimized side it says avoid+block 104.5%. I'm trying to figure that out why.

Kazeyonoma
12-07-2011, 02:59 PM
Before you buy the cloak, there's a 378 that drops on the first boss in Hour of Twilight what is pretty sweet mastery wise (as is the shield off the second boss; not that it ever drops when I'm on my pally or warrior).

http://www.wowhead.com/item=72854 = Hour of Twilight

http://www.wowhead.com/item=77099 = Vendor

That's an Okay cloak indeed but it's still miles behind the Vendor one, especially in the stam department.

Takethecake
12-07-2011, 03:08 PM
I went with the neck first as it as the largest upgrade for me out of the 3 BiS valor pieces (Neck, Cloak, Ranged). The cloak will be next and I probably won't worry to much about the ranged weapon off the bat and pick up the upgrades that I've been having trouble picking up from there.

Also working on buying the boots on an alt and trading them over... haven't decided on the bracers yet though cause they seem to be really terrible.

Bigbad
12-07-2011, 03:30 PM
I got the trinket first but already got the 391 neck from firelands which is still BiS cause of the insanely massive strength budget on the vp neck. Ring and cloak next for me :)

Bracers are terrible yeah might grab the boots if ultraxion is stubborn.

Nitrous
12-07-2011, 03:52 PM
I went with the neck first as it as the largest upgrade for me out of the 3 BiS valor pieces (Neck, Cloak, Ranged). The cloak will be next and I probably won't worry to much about the ranged weapon off the bat and pick up the upgrades that I've been having trouble picking up from there.

Also working on buying the boots on an alt and trading them over... haven't decided on the bracers yet though cause they seem to be really terrible.

BS bracers are BiS

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Outbackjack
12-07-2011, 09:45 PM
I'm thinking Cloak (http://www.wowhead.com/item=77099) > Neck (http://www.wowhead.com/item=77092) > Ring (http://www.wowhead.com/item=77112) > Trinket (http://www.wowhead.com/item=77117) > Belt (http://www.wowhead.com/item=77186) > Misc non-set items for the slots that refuse to drop for me.

Selendis
12-08-2011, 01:10 AM
BS bracers are BiS

really? gemming both 50 mastery, I still see http://www.wowhead.com/item=78390 comming out on top equal dodge%parry (reforging should all around make these two about equal worth imo) 2 more mastery on the heroic bracers, aswell as more str. stamina and armor...
or were we talking pre-heroics?

Bigbad
12-08-2011, 01:15 AM
HC Zon'ozz bracers>crafted bracers>normal Zon'ozz bracers

What selendis said :)

Selendis
12-08-2011, 01:16 AM
Another thing that frankly scared the heck out of me. There is a mastery/hit cloak from the valor points vendor. 1 socket and similar stam compared to the tanking cloak, reforging the hit on this to parry makes it a significantly better ctc piece than the tanking cloak. (meaning one would get closer to replacing a trinket for stam...).
Please someone tell me I missed something obvious. http://www.wowhead.com/item=77098 (Nanoprecise cloak)

swelt
12-08-2011, 04:16 AM
I opted for the neck first, given that I didn't ever get to upgrade my Firelands neck. But after reading this thread and re-doing the math, I went back and switched to the cloak. The decider for me was the socket - since it's BIS it seemed like a perfect home for an epic yellow gem.

I refuse to wear an int cloak. No matter what.

Akolon
12-08-2011, 05:44 AM
Another thing that frankly scared the heck out of me. There is a mastery/hit cloak from the valor points vendor. 1 socket and similar stam compared to the tanking cloak, reforging the hit on this to parry makes it a significantly better ctc piece than the tanking cloak. (meaning one would get closer to replacing a trinket for stam...).
Please someone tell me I missed something obvious. http://www.wowhead.com/item=77098 (Nanoprecise cloak)

Itīs an INT cloak ;)

Selendis
12-08-2011, 11:09 AM
Itīs an INT cloak ;)

Hence wy the idea scares the crap out of me.
But it's not like the agi on the previous BiS cloak was useful, so the argument "it has int" doesn't dismiss it so easily I'm thinking...

Bigbad
12-08-2011, 11:21 AM
Interesting idea, the int cloak has way more budget into int then the other cloak in strength though.

271 parry+127 expertise+186 strength vs. 166 hit+173 mastery
With reforging and converting strength into parry you would end up with
323 parry+50mastery vs. 173 mastery+66 parry
or 257 parry vs. 123 mastery
Strength cloak is superior even though it has less mastery

Selendis
12-08-2011, 12:21 PM
This was what I meant when I asked for someone to find my mistake, thank you :)

Takethecake
12-08-2011, 01:49 PM
Specially since we're at the point where it's not hard to get ctc cap. Before I could maybe justify taking a strange piece if it had a ton of mastery on it (like the dps str mastery helm from alys). But now that most people are at the ctc cap it's about Maintaining cap > stamina > avoidance for me. So even some of the dodge / parry pieces look enticing.

Jericho
12-09-2011, 04:04 AM
I was looking at fire of the deep and the valor neck to buy first, but can't decide which I want to get. I was figuring get the neck and hoping for soulshifter vortex or one of those trinkets to drop in DS, but I know my luck on drops so probably would never get it lol.

Your first instinct is right. Get the neck. Remember that the valor neck is the ONLY tanking neck in DS. Currently to my knowledge there is not even a way to upgrade these items like there was in Firelands (gj Blizzard on this one. Finally add something intelligent and then bam, don't keep going with it.)

Also I would like to point out that the Soulshifter Vortex is a fairly poor trinket for a CTC capped Paladin. Yes it will be a nice stam boost but the "Mastery" proc trinkets tend to get wasted more than they get used. Yes I realize that there is still value to having avoidance over the cap but, increasing your Mastery via a proc really helps you a lot less than you think it does.

As someone else said, your current FL Mastery/Str trinket isn't ideal, it isn't horrible either. You actually may benefit more from the old standby Mirror of Broken Images (if you have it) or since you are an alchemist, you could benefit from the pure stam and decent mastery on the Alchemist Stone in that slot. Both have a good deal of use in DS while the Strength use really does very little to benefit you from a tanking perspective. We all bought that trinket for Alysrazor when our dps actually mattered pre-nerf.


Cloak wise ... Its interesting to note that currently the T13 BiS Druid tanking cloak (for those of us who never got lucky with the Heroic Rhy Cloak) is the Agi/Mastery 403 PvP cloak that can be purchased with Conquest or found on the new BH boss' loot table. The Strength/Mastery cloak sacrifices less than .1% avoidance for the benefit of more mastery, stamina and armor than the FL or even the new Hour of Twilight cloaks. You definitely are going to get better bang for your buck out of the Dreamcrusher, but if you happen to be a PvPer or get lucky in BH, its a real stepping stone option.

Kyntaro
12-22-2011, 08:39 AM
I would wear the INT cloak...........for my HOLY SET. That joke aside, I went ahead and picked up the cloak, ring, and boots, for my pally tank. These were the best and quickest upgrades I could get my hands on. After farming for weeks to get the tanking weapon from the 1st boss in WoE, now I'm just waiting for any conq token to drop, either from lfr, or DS reg.