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Lilreggie
11-28-2011, 01:10 AM
I've been full agility and it bugs me like crazy. Im beyond elated to stack stamina again. Im down to 27.8% dodge unbuffed but I gained around 22k hp before bear form. Three cheers for eh!!!!

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Destruyen
11-28-2011, 01:59 AM
my druid on the ptr has 250k hp raid buffed with the gear i have on live regemmed to stam...it's pretty nice even if i lost 5% dodge

leethaxor
11-28-2011, 02:54 AM
my druid on the ptr has 250k hp raid buffed with the gear i have on live regemmed to stam...it's pretty nice even if i lost 5% dodge

Implying you could almost reach nearly 300k health in full H DS gear O.O

Bigbad
11-28-2011, 03:55 AM
Isn't the stamina buff intended so you can keep gemming agility while keeping a decent amount of hp or am I completely missing the mark here?

klausi
11-28-2011, 07:44 AM
For 25m it's an option, for 10m it depends on the exact burst numbers and your pocket healer (hello tank healing shaman keeping riptide rolling for +10% hitpoints buff). But before considering regemming to stamina for any fight i'd play around with two stamina trinkets if necessary.

Katarn
11-28-2011, 09:03 PM
Isn't the stamina buff intended so you can keep gemming agility while keeping a decent amount of hp or am I completely missing the mark here?
Pretty much. Stamina is still entirely suboptimal once EH requirements are met.

Lilreggie
11-28-2011, 10:06 PM
Pretty much. Stamina is still entirely suboptimal once EH requirements are met.

Not at all. With the multipliers we have it is definitely worthwhile. Plus for those of us racing for server firsts the extra 40-50k can really be forgiving, as opposed to the 3% dodge loss.

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Katarn
11-28-2011, 10:33 PM
Not at all. With the multipliers we have it is definitely worthwhile. Plus for those of us racing for server firsts the extra 40-50k can really be forgiving, as opposed to the 3% dodge loss.

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I think you missed the whole EH requirement bit. Once you have enough EH (value dependant on boss and healers) Agility is straight up better.

Lilreggie
11-28-2011, 10:55 PM
Eh requirements tend to be set by boss damage, not outside factors like black blood or orbs.

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Katarn
11-28-2011, 11:23 PM
Eh requirements tend to be set by boss damage, not outside factors like black blood or orbs.

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They're set by all factors in an encounter. Not just boss damage.

Fetzie
11-29-2011, 04:05 AM
Unless the tank is not taking damage from any source other than the boss, you need to factor environmental/non-boss damage in to your "Required Effective Health" calculation.

Rudolpho
12-04-2011, 11:19 PM
No way I'm going stamina. I absorb too much damage with the 2 piece bonus and 50%+ crit, and the high dodge doesn't hurt either (not to mention the increased dps helps a lot in my 10 man).

I'm sitting at right around 200k health using full agi gemming, and one agi, one mastery trinket. I have yet to find a boss that requires me to have more health, and from what I can see of the heroics, I'm not likely to run into one until the last two fights.

If they have retuned some of the earlier heroics to require more health than that, then I'll change to stamina trinkets if needed, and regem if I need any more...but I really don't see that happening.

Katarn
12-05-2011, 01:07 AM
No way I'm going stamina. I absorb too much damage with the 2 piece bonus and 50%+ crit, and the high dodge doesn't hurt either (not to mention the increased dps helps a lot in my 10 man).

I'm sitting at right around 200k health using full agi gemming, and one agi, one mastery trinket. I have yet to find a boss that requires me to have more health, and from what I can see of the heroics, I'm not likely to run into one until the last two fights.

If they have retuned some of the earlier heroics to require more health than that, then I'll change to stamina trinkets if needed, and regem if I need any more...but I really don't see that happening.
Pretty much. It's more about your raid not being fail than needing more EH.

bltbeartough
12-06-2011, 11:46 AM
Ok, I love this debate, and it has RAGED on since bears started tanking (read post-vanilla when if you weren't a warrior most high end guilds didnt want you tanking), but let's face facts....

Gemming/reforging based on what someone writes on the interwebs, just because they said it was better is moronic. You're probably not in the exact gear that they are, and your raid comp is certainly different. That being said, your best option is to run logs, compile multiple parses and gauge what is going to work best in your particular situation. I for one, have a personal threshold for my total avoidance that I maintain, very similar to being fully ctc on say my prot pally. After I've reached that threshold, I move to stam. That being said, after one week of DS, I don't have enough data to review to make a GOOD determination on how much damage taken is going to be magic vs physical. Once I personally have enough raw data to make that determination, I'll be able to gem accordingly.

As someone else posted earlier, 250k health is about the norm for a full raid buffed bear right now, without stacking pure stam, assuming you're well geared. Personally I found that be be totally acceptable for the normal mode week, but I am curious to see how much disparity there is between normal and heroic modes as far as damage taken is concerned.

I'll keep you updated on the info I get from parses and let you know what I come up with.

Destruyen
12-06-2011, 12:57 PM
As someone else posted earlier, 250k health is about the norm for a full raid buffed bear right now, without stacking pure stam, assuming you're well geared. Personally I found that be be totally acceptable for the normal mode week, but I am curious to see how much disparity there is between normal and heroic modes as far as damage taken is concerned.

that was me and i was stacking stam with full raid buffs. however, 3 out of the 4 397 vanq tokens dropped last week for me so i at least received my 2 pc (worth about 400 agility equiv. points) and hopefully before next weekend pick up a legitimate lfr chest token for the 4pc raid cd for heroic modes this week. i gemmed my new 397 pieces with agi while leaving my 391s gemmed stam, and will swing full stam depending on how heroic modes go. i'm now at 226k raid buffed with one stam trink (heroic vial) and one agi trink (normal matrix) but i'll swap those as needed or if i get some upgrades.

i have a good feeling if anyone will be starting heroic modes this week and tanking on a bear, you better be ready for stam gemming for a few weeks...

bltbeartough
12-06-2011, 01:08 PM
I am starting them as soon as servers go up, with 3 JC stam gems, and ready to use a stam trinket as needed for a few fights. For example:

Morchok has a ton of physical dmg from last week's parse... so I'll be using my dodge stuff
Zon'ozz and Yor'Sahj both have tons of magic dmg, probably a tb trinket and stam trinket
Ultraxion will be dodge
Gunship - Dodge
Spine - Dodge/Agi
Madness - Agi

Those are my current choices, but like I said in my earlier post, until I have a few full parses, that's all going to be debatable. I know for a fact though, that last week, in my current gear, which is vast majorily 391, I had well over 230k health, possibly more...

Destruyen
12-06-2011, 03:41 PM
armory link by chance?

Lilreggie
12-06-2011, 04:26 PM
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/aegwynn/Bigreggie/advanced

2 (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/aegwynn/Bigreggie/advanced)50k is WAY above the norm for a raid geared feral right now. Im using a VERY stam heavy set up and I sit at around 241k if I remember right.