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kungfugrip
09-30-2011, 04:02 PM
Tankspot Guides and Tutorials:

Pyrea's Protection Paladin Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?76929-Tanking-with-the-Blessing-of-Kings-The-Protection-Paladin)
Squats' Enhance Shaman Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?75700-Cataclysm-Enhance-Shaman-Guide)
TGM's Fury Warrior Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?72537-The-Cataclysmic-fury-Warrior-Guide)
Shiz's Arms Warrior Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?73823-Yet-Another-Cataclysm-Arms-Guide)
Jorj's Ret Paladin Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?76072-The-Cataclysm-Retribution-Paladin-Guide.)
Airowird's Resto Shaman Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?72575-Restoration-Spiritual-Guidance-through-the-Cataclysm)
Chamenas' Holy Paladin Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?63314-Cataclysm-Holy-Paladin-Guide)
Vexryn's Tanking Gear List (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?72132-Vexryn-s-Cataclysm-Tanking-Master-Gear-List-amp-Gear-Progression)
Externally...it's easier to just link off to the class forums on EJ. They generally have a lot of theorycraft but no actual help.:

EJ Death Knight Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f72/)
EJ Druid Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f73/)
EJ Hunter Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f74/)
EJ Mage Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f75/)
EJ Paladin Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f76/)
EJ Priest Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f77/)
EJ Rogue Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f78/)
EJ Shaman Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f79/)
EJ Warlock Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f80/)
EJ Warrior Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f81/)
Offsite utilities/spec/class-specific sites:

Maintankadin (http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/) (Protection paladin infos)
Shadowcraft (http://shadowcraft.mmo-mumble.com/) (Rogue tool, reforging, gemming, spec, dps sim)
WoWReforge (http://www.wowreforge.com/) (Reforge tool for all specs and classes)
Enhsim Download (http://enhsim.codeplex.com/) (Enhancement shaman dps simulation tool)
Simcraft (http://www.simulationcraft.org/) (General dps simulation, works better for some classes than others...I'm not personally sure which it's good for, but use EnhSim for enhance shaman and Shadowcraft for rogues instead of this)
Rawr Download (http://rawr.codeplex.com/) (Gear comparison and dps/mitigation simulation tool, quality of the class/spec modules varies from "pretty accurate" to "pretty atrocious")

Toushiro
09-30-2011, 04:14 PM
for better help with reforging check out http://www.wowreforge.com/ as a DPS (I've not bothered to load up my tank or healers so I don't know how well it will work for them) rather then use the reforging suggestions from askmrrobot.

Destruyen
09-30-2011, 04:31 PM
askmrrobot is pretty bad with their suggestions unless you run a sim program like simcraft/mew/rawr to get your stat values and then plug it in to robot...

Ion
09-30-2011, 04:38 PM
askmrrobot is worse than bad. It will actively mislead you. Simcraft is only valuable for certain classes (I think, for example, it's good for mages, but it's terrible for shaman). It's best to do your research and find out which sim is best for your class and spec (for example, EnhSim is probably the most accurate for enhancement shaman). Every time someone mentions askmrrobot as a valuable tool a kitten dies. Seriously...there's a whole pile of them in the alley because of askmrrobot. It's an atrocity against kitten-kind.

Kemanorel
09-30-2011, 04:52 PM
The flaw with mr. robot is that each piece of gear is calculated by arbitrary weights INDIVIDUALLY rather than as a part of your whole gear ensemble. The fallacy is that while the "BiS" looks nice, the patchwork manner many people are able to gear with leads to miscalculations.

For example, with access to Heroic Rag, askmrrobot still recommends the 359 justice point trinket for hunters. Hit is nice, but not at the cost of that much agility and secondary stats.

kungfugrip
09-30-2011, 04:52 PM
rawr is pretty good as well for optimizing your gear but it takes a bit more know-how.

robot is a good starting grounds for people who are just completely lost in the sauce in wow in general. i myself don't use all the suggestions they give me all the time, but that comes with experience.

anyway this thread wasn't titled askmrrobot.com, there's other stuff in it as well.

Katarn
09-30-2011, 10:35 PM
Rawr's boss handler is broken and has been for some time. I recommend against any Bear using it.

AMR is decent for Bears, but tends to over value Stamina and has messed up trinket selections.

I don't trust EJ for Bears since all of it was terribly, terribly wrong for Bears at launch.

http://www.theincbear.com is better for Bears imo.

kungfugrip
09-30-2011, 10:42 PM
AMR is decent for Bears, but tends to over value Stamina and has messed up trinket selections. I ran AMR for my bear and it had me gem AGI for everything, agi/dodge and agi/stam to activate the meta and appropriate-gain socket bonuses. Then it had me reforge dodge. It seemed pretty spot-on for bears as far as every guide/posts I've read about how to optimize manually. But I didn't like the way it told me to optimize my holy pally. It wanted me to pick up 29 (or 28, cant remember) sp to gloves instead of +50 haste, amongst some other things.

Kemanorel
09-30-2011, 10:53 PM
The person who wrote/admins AMR rruns a bear, so I'd assume it may be decent for them. Unfortunately, most other classes are a bit weird using it. I know it seems a long list, but I always advocate class specific tools and data such as:

Hunter
http://www.wowhuntershall.com
http://www.femaledwarf.com

Healing resource:
http://www.plusheal.com

Rogues:
http://shadowcraft.mmo-mumble.com/

Shadow priests:
http://www.shadowpriest.com

Warriors often prefer Landsoul's spreadshet, but I'm not 100% on where to find it.

Aside from the hunter references, the list is mostly based on recommendations of people who seem to know what's what for the class in question.

kungfugrip
09-30-2011, 11:21 PM
awesome, i'll add that up top

leethaxor
09-30-2011, 11:22 PM
Mage guides walk a fine line between too indepth and to little information. Icy Vien's guide is passable at best, in my opinion it should go a bit more in-depth and teach mages how to spec there character based on fight mechanics. But that isn't a ton. I just don't like the guide over all it kinda skims the surface to much and seems to not be fully updated, but its me being picky most likely. Honestly its a hell of a lot better then other guides.

I would like every mage to take the time to read the 16 pages of snore-fest that is the EJ guide, but realistically.. Its not happening.

Landsoul's spread sheet can be found at the link below. I'm assuming its up to date as it's his website, but thegreatme is a way better source for dps warrior info.
http://www.landsoulcoaching.com/spreadsheet
(http://www.landsoulcoaching.com/spreadsheet)

kungfugrip
09-30-2011, 11:55 PM
were you checking the full-length icy veins guide? they have summarized and full versions. their arcane guide helped me to understand proper timings and whatnot way more than what's currently on EJ. i do like ej's fire and frost guides but the arcane compendium was just a bunch of stats and nothing really about proper timings and all.

Tengenstein
10-01-2011, 01:17 AM
Prot warriors prefer Airowird's spreadsheet

Katarn
10-01-2011, 10:33 AM
I ran AMR for my bear and it had me gem AGI for everything, agi/dodge and agi/stam to activate the meta and appropriate-gain socket bonuses. Then it had me reforge dodge. It seemed pretty spot-on for bears as far as every guide/posts I've read about how to optimize manually. But I didn't like the way it told me to optimize my holy pally. It wanted me to pick up 29 (or 28, cant remember) sp to gloves instead of +50 haste, amongst some other things.
It has Spidersilk as BiS for Heroic T12. Which is wrong. And amuses me.

AMR got a lot better for Bears after they finally lowered the default Stamina value. But their trinket selections are still broken.

kungfugrip
10-01-2011, 01:23 PM
It has Spidersilk as BiS for Heroic T12. Which is wrong. And amuses me.

AMR got a lot better for Bears after they finally lowered the default Stamina value. But their trinket selections are still broken.i never use those things to find gear replacements, just to reforge/gem/chant the gear i'm currently wearing

leethaxor
10-01-2011, 08:07 PM
were you checking the full-length icy veins guide? they have summarized and full versions. their arcane guide helped me to understand proper timings and whatnot way more than what's currently on EJ. i do like ej's fire and frost guides but the arcane compendium was just a bunch of stats and nothing really about proper timings and all.


I would like every mage to take the time to read the 16 pages of snore-fest that is the EJ guide, but realistically.. Its not happening

Its labelled as a compendium for a reason. It's not a do this, do that, and this.... annnnd WINNER! You read the entire discussion, and you get a solid idea about how to play and arcane mage, and know all the in's and out's

swelt
10-03-2011, 06:19 AM
I think a thread like this is a great idea. I think it has a little more work to do before it's ready to get a sticky though.

I would suggest you re-structure the post a little so that you don't start by sending people to reforging sites. Class guides are going to be a better start point. Pyrea's paladin guide should be on that list: http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?76929-Tanking-with-the-Blessing-of-Kings-The-Protection-Paladin and I'm sure there are other guides on this site that might be worth a link.

You might consider a link to the Tier 12 strategy section: http://www.tankspot.com/forumdisplay.php?232-Cataclysm-Tier-12-Raids - as very often threads here are just asking questions already answered in threads located there.

Krenian
10-03-2011, 10:12 AM
I like how none of the guides on Tankspot are linked in here.

Just saying. We have a ton of information on this website that doesn't require everyone to do an exodus to other webpages for information. If you want to make a compilation of stuff, you might want to reconsider, as swelt said, some Tankspot information.

I have no problems linking to outside, reputable websites when the information is lacking. But some of the things given here, the info is really not lacking in that department. Please also be advised that we cannot guarantee any safeties or reliability outside the Tankspot community when it comes to information.

Rystrave
10-03-2011, 10:18 AM
I have to agree with Kren. Tankspot offers real-time help from the forums and the stickied guides are more than awesome. You can't go to EJ and ask questions without getting snotty remarks (which was said in your post) so why would any WoW player want to go there for constructive critiscism and for help? It's like going to the official forums and asking for feedback on your rotation - Good luck with that.

Not saying that none of the links above are helpful, but it seems like this post makes Tankspot a not worthy place for information when it is more than worthy.

Katarn
10-03-2011, 09:24 PM
I have to agree with Kren. Tankspot offers real-time help from the forums and the stickied guides are more than awesome. You can't go to EJ and ask questions without getting snotty remarks (which was said in your post) so why would any WoW player want to go there for constructive critiscism and for help? It's like going to the official forums and asking for feedback on your rotation - Good luck with that.

Not saying that none of the links above are helpful, but it seems like this post makes Tankspot a not worthy place for information when it is more than worthy.
Well, to be fair, there are only like....8 of them.

leethaxor
10-03-2011, 09:47 PM
IYou can't go to EJ and ask questions without getting snotty remarks (which was said in your post) so why would any WoW player want to go there for constructive critiscism and for help? It's like going to the official forums and asking for feedback on your rotation

EJ exists in and of it self (or tries to) for the building of theorycrafting. It says in it's rules that it is not there for Q&A, its there to develop the theory and math behind the game.

Katarn
10-03-2011, 10:13 PM
EJ exists in and of it self (or tries to) for the building of theorycrafting. It says in it's rules that it is not there for Q&A, its there to develop the theory and math behind the game.
Even when it's completely and totally wrong. Good times.

Fetzie
10-04-2011, 01:18 AM
Well, to be fair, there are only like....8 of them.

That is 8 guides not linked in the OP though :) Don't forget the guides in the DPS section.


Even when it's completely and totally wrong. Good times.

What is bad about being wrong? Prove to them why they are wrong (and they need more than "I have a feeling that...") and they won't ban you - if you can convince them that you are right.

swelt
10-04-2011, 03:43 AM
This thread would be better if people stopped arguing about the pros and cons of different guides and stuck to linking good information.

jusy
10-04-2011, 11:24 AM
So im a Prot Pala, what site u guys suggest me to use for my gear opimisation? :D Cuss everyone is talking Askmrrobot is bad? :o i have use it for my Resto Shaman all the way and never noticed to be bad? :o

Fetzie
10-04-2011, 11:26 AM
Given that Theck helped them develop the ask mr robot, it isn't actually that bad for prot paladins. Otherwise follow the guidelines in my Guide and you will end up with pretty much the same results :) [shameless plug]

Ion
10-04-2011, 11:40 AM
Since you all suck at this:

Tankspot Guides and Tutorials:

Pyrea's Protection Paladin Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?76929-Tanking-with-the-Blessing-of-Kings-The-Protection-Paladin)
Squats' Enhance Shaman Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?75700-Cataclysm-Enhance-Shaman-Guide)
TGM's Fury Warrior Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?72537-The-Cataclysmic-fury-Warrior-Guide)
Shiz's Arms Warrior Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?73823-Yet-Another-Cataclysm-Arms-Guide)
Jorj's Ret Paladin Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?76072-The-Cataclysm-Retribution-Paladin-Guide.)
Airowird's Resto Shaman Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?72575-Restoration-Spiritual-Guidance-through-the-Cataclysm)
Chamenas' Holy Paladin Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?63314-Cataclysm-Holy-Paladin-Guide)
Vexryn's Tanking Gear List (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?72132-Vexryn-s-Cataclysm-Tanking-Master-Gear-List-amp-Gear-Progression)
Externally...it's easier to just link off to the class forums on EJ. They generally have a lot of theorycraft but no actual help.:

EJ Death Knight Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f72/)
EJ Druid Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f73/)
EJ Hunter Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f74/)
EJ Mage Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f75/)
EJ Paladin Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f76/)
EJ Priest Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f77/)
EJ Rogue Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f78/)
EJ Shaman Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f79/)
EJ Warlock Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f80/)
EJ Warrior Forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f81/)
Offsite utilities/spec/class-specific sites:

Maintankadin (http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/) (Protection paladin infos)
Shadowcraft (http://shadowcraft.mmo-mumble.com/) (Rogue tool, reforging, gemming, spec, dps sim)
WoWReforge (http://www.wowreforge.com/) (Reforge tool for all specs and classes)
Enhsim Download (http://enhsim.codeplex.com/) (Enhancement shaman dps simulation tool)
Simcraft (http://www.simulationcraft.org/) (General dps simulation, works better for some classes than others...I'm not personally sure which it's good for, but use EnhSim for enhance shaman and Shadowcraft for rogues instead of this)
Rawr Download (http://rawr.codeplex.com/) (Gear comparison and dps/mitigation simulation tool, quality of the class/spec modules varies from "pretty accurate" to "pretty atrocious")

Katarn
10-04-2011, 12:56 PM
Rawr is bad for Feral Bear. FYI.

Ion
10-04-2011, 01:39 PM
Rawr is bad for a lot of class/spec combinations...I'll edit.

Charon
10-05-2011, 09:07 PM
Don't forget Krenian's guide to DKs from tankspot! Unless of course he stopped updating it after Cataclysm released.

Martie
10-05-2011, 10:51 PM
Since you all suck at this:
Good list, Ion, thanks.


Externally...it's easier to just link off to the class forums on EJ. They generally have a lot of theorycraft but no actual help.:

I have to disagree here. The main post for each dps spec they have tells you virtually everything you want to know about what you should be gearing and what you should be doing. It goes deep enough for the attentive reader to find a lot of information there, and that's a form of help.
They don't hold hands, and if you wanna know -why- they claim what they claim they expect you to be able to do some research, but the site is called "Elitist Jerks." That means "We are better than you, we know we are better than you and we'll tell you. At length. With graphs."

Krenian
10-06-2011, 04:42 AM
Don't forget Krenian's guide to DKs from tankspot! Unless of course he stopped updating it after Cataclysm released.

I have stopped but I have been debating doing a new one up. Will depend on my motivation. I'm also specialized in frost dual wield right now so my knowledge of the two other specs are limited: this is mostly of my uber casual take on wow ATM.

Ion
10-06-2011, 08:11 AM
Good list, Ion, thanks.

I have to disagree here. The main post for each dps spec they have tells you virtually everything you want to know about what you should be gearing and what you should be doing. It goes deep enough for the attentive reader to find a lot of information there, and that's a form of help.
They don't hold hands, and if you wanna know -why- they claim what they claim they expect you to be able to do some research, but the site is called "Elitist Jerks." That means "We are better than you, we know we are better than you and we'll tell you. At length. With graphs."

By "no actual help" I meant "Jimmy can't go to EJ, ask a question and expect to have someone answer it. He'll probably just get infracted for asking, actaully." I wouldn't have linked to them if they didn't have useful information, but you're not going to get questions about that information answered there.

Charon
10-15-2011, 07:48 AM
However, the EJ link for DKs told me I'm not being a total moron with my blood tank's reforging. I think tomorrow's gear-grind the DK day. Retired or not, I'm tired of not tanking on an at least occasional basis!