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Cgrichyrich
05-02-2011, 12:55 PM
My guild recently asked me to tank and as of right now i have a 85 druid, pally, and dk and i also have a 80 warrior. I was woundering if anyone could point me into the right direct on what tank will be the best or good for raid bosses. I will be the main tank so if anyone can shed some light onto this subject thanks in advanced =D

cgrichyrich :cool:

Reev
05-02-2011, 12:57 PM
All the tanks are good. Choose the one that most fits the way you like to play.

Gregasaurous
05-02-2011, 02:51 PM
Well, it's never easy learning to tank at a high level. I would go with the pally if i were you. Try to snag a few tank peices and then try tanking some reg 5-mans and see how you like it.

Or go with your warrior that is still being LvLed. This is actally a pretty good idea.

Reev
05-02-2011, 03:05 PM
If you really want my opinion. I enjoy my warrior. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but it would be easier to learn to tank on a toon you are still leveling up on than it will be on a level 85 toon, and warriors are fun and pretty consistent over the years in terms of never being too broken.

Cgrichyrich
05-03-2011, 06:08 AM
Well I have to say I enjoy my pally and my dk. Maybe my Dk a little more but I am worried that they take much more damage than my pally

Reev
05-03-2011, 06:10 AM
If you enjoy your DK more, use your DK. They don't take "much more damage" than the pally.

Cgrichyrich
05-03-2011, 06:32 AM
Do you know if they will be good for end game tanking?

Reev
05-03-2011, 06:35 AM
They are quite good for endgame tanking. I'm a warrior tank, but I tank alongside a DK who is as solid or more solid than I am.

kopcap
05-03-2011, 06:41 AM
This are tanks stats for 25 man heroic content:

Druid Feral Bear 4,426 15.35%
Warrior Protection 10,321 35.80%
Paladin Protection 9,673 33.55%
Death Knight Blood 4,412 15.30%

These are tank stats for top 100 parses in 25 man heroic content:

Warrior Protection 1,200 26.30%
Druid Feral Bear 1,069 23.43%
Paladin Protection 1,185 25.98%
Death Knight 1,108 24.29%

These are distributions for each class in the tanking role.

Take what you want from this :)

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25H/100/14/60/default/

Cgrichyrich
05-03-2011, 06:42 AM
Then why do people always give them such bad rep? Is it just because the majority of 12 year olds play them lol?

Cgrichyrich
05-03-2011, 06:43 AM
And are those stats for damage taken?

Cgrichyrich
05-03-2011, 07:30 AM
This are tanks stats for 25 man heroic content:

Druid Feral Bear 4,426 15.35%
Warrior Protection 10,321 35.80%
Paladin Protection 9,673 33.55%
Death Knight Blood 4,412 15.30%

These are tank stats for top 100 parses in 25 man heroic content:

Warrior Protection 1,200 26.30%
Druid Feral Bear 1,069 23.43%
Paladin Protection 1,185 25.98%
Death Knight 1,108 24.29%

These are distributions for each class in the tanking role.

Take what you want from this :)

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25H/100/14/60/default/

I still don't understand what these numbers are I went to the website and I'm just confused now lol

Michultradk
05-03-2011, 07:35 AM
Any of the tank classes are good for endgame tanking, peroid. What a certain person does with a certain class can differ from person to person. It has to be understood that a person that plays a warrior better than say he's play a DK doesn't mean a DK is a poor class, it just means the person is better at the warrior and maybe likes a certain thing that warrior does better than any other class.

It all depends on how much time someone decides to invest in a certain class, not everyone is going to put 100% into every tanking class they play. They may like a certain class a little more, min max it better, study fights more and understand the class mechanics better. This is all part of the human effect of WoW, and can't be resolved by saying a certain class is better than the other.

Cgrichyrich
05-03-2011, 07:45 AM
Well my problem is I like every tanking class in a way so now I'm just trying to narrow it down by there survivability

Reev
05-03-2011, 07:51 AM
Well my problem is I like every tanking class in a way so now I'm just trying to narrow it down by there survivability

Don't do that. They're all capable and strong tanks. You can't just say X tank is more survivable than Y tank. Even if you could, it would just change the next patch.

Cgrichyrich
05-03-2011, 07:53 AM
Well why do people say that a DK takes much more damage than a pally if they are all good then why is this the general thing I hear

Reev
05-03-2011, 07:57 AM
Because people have no idea what they're talking about.

Insahnity
05-03-2011, 07:58 AM
The real answer (which I suspect you are not getting, despite everyone here telling you)
It doesn't matter what tank you take. What matters is how you gear it and more importantly, how you play it. If you like what you play, you will naturally get better at it quickly. If you hate it, you will struggle with it. So try all and see what works.

The easy answer (because I feel you didn't read all the tanking guides here)
Go with a shield tank. Either warrior or paladin. Shield tanks are more forgiving, provided you learn to not expose your ass cheeks to the mobs. Between warrior and tank, warriors are more versatile but more abilities to cope with, whereas paladins, despite getting less automated, are still predominately passive. Continue running as a DPS or healer (whichever is the case) in both toons, until you have enough tank gear between drops and craftables, and try whichever gets there first. If you don't like it, switch over to the other. Get used to tanking regulars (even if you are doing ZA/ZG runs now as DPS), then heroics, and then decide if you want to take it to raid-worthiness.

As for DKs and Bears taking more damage, the answer is yes and no, but the end result is no different than a shield tank, all tanks get the job done just fine. You haven't read enough of this this site to understand why people say that and why it is false, or at least take it on word in this thread alone that it's not true.

Cgrichyrich
05-03-2011, 08:01 AM
Okay thanks for the help and info and sorry for being difficult just a hard decision for me

Insahnity
05-03-2011, 08:02 AM
We're glad to help, but we do ask that you read a bit. You are getting some of it and investigating, which is good.

kopcap
05-03-2011, 08:07 AM
One thing to consider, is if your planning to raid 10 man, druids and paladins have an advantage due to better raid utility and off spec options. This is one thing I am missing on my warrior even in 25 man :)

At the end, all classes are about the same when played at the top of their potential. That said paladin are no doubt the most rounded ones, they may not BiS on every fight but they are never the worst either.

Reev
05-03-2011, 08:10 AM
One thing to consider, is if your planning to raid 10 man, druids and paladins have an advantage due to better raid utility and off spec options. This is one thing I am missing on my warrior even in 25 man :)

Druids have better raid utility than DKs?

Nez
05-03-2011, 08:10 AM
I think it is important to play which tank feels like fun to you. They can all do the job, so go with something you will enjoy playing.

kopcap
05-03-2011, 08:15 AM
Druids have better raid utility than DKs?Lol im not used to it yet, scratch this :) Still the best OSs though.

Reev
05-03-2011, 08:17 AM
lol im not used to it yet, scratch this :) still the best OSs though :)

:)

Cgrichyrich
05-03-2011, 08:19 AM
I have to say that I enjoy my pally just because he has many tools to help out the group and help someone that is in danger like Lay on hands. But then again I do like how a DK has the ablity to use two handed weapons and heal him self at the same time, DKs can also kite very well and have the ability to get agro on mobs quick with there DnD.

PatrikL
05-03-2011, 08:34 AM
One thing to consider, is if your planning to raid 10 man, druids and paladins have an advantage due to better raid utility and off spec options. This is one thing I am missing on my warrior even in 25 man :)

With DKs now having a battle res I think the utility difference is removed. DKs can do it while actively tanking which if I remember correctly druids cant. This might not be an issue in 25 mans but in 10 mans it could be very valuable.

Edit: just saw your response about it :-)

About DKs taking much more damage, it might be that a lot of people (apart from some beeing ignorant) are just taking into account the "damage taken" and not the self healing we do. As an example since I remember it from last night, self healing on a boss in the new dungeons is often around 3k hps which negates a quite a lot of damage taken.

Cgrichyrich
05-03-2011, 08:47 AM
Okay my question is now with this self healing does it make it a harder job for the healer because it could be unpredictable or are death knight generly easy to heal? I know you stack mastery so you can obsorb more damage as your gear gets better but would like to know how it is from a beakers stand point also

Reev
05-03-2011, 08:52 AM
Okay my question is now with this self healing does it make it a harder job for the healer because it could be unpredictable or are death knight generly easy to heal? I know you stack mastery so you can obsorb more damage as your gear gets better but would like to know how it is from a beakers stand point also

Beakers don't mind beaking good DK tanks. It's just when DK tanks don't play well and use their cooldowns and death strikes appropriately that beakers feel they're hard to beak.

Theotherone
05-03-2011, 08:58 AM
Okay my question is now with this self healing does it make it a harder job for the healer because it could be unpredictable or are death knight generly easy to heal? I know you stack mastery so you can obsorb more damage as your gear gets better but would like to know how it is from a beakers stand point also

Personally, when I heal I don't notice the self healing that much, except when a Pally hits his Lay on Hands - other then that no DK or Pally self heal tops them off enough to make the damage unpredictable to the extent that it would effect healing. It is helpful and sometimes gets them up enough that I can stop casting for a bit and regen some mana.

While the DK shield is helpful, it's just not big enough to make a huge difference; altough I've not done the math (math is the reason I went to law school) I'm guessing that DK shield is pretty close to the pally block. For example my pally has 51% block which mitigates 30% of incoming physical damage on a 25k hit that's like a 5k absorb shield. So in my mind DK's now have shield like the other tanks; you just don't wear it.

Cgrichyrich
05-03-2011, 09:03 AM
But that sounds like any other tank, if you don't use your cool downs right you take more damage. I have currently got my pally geared for tanking the heroic zul'grub and zul'aman and most healers say that I'm pretty easy to heal even with a average item level of 350. But I have more fun on my on my DK even tanking normal dungeons so I think I am just going to work on my pally and DK more and see which one I like more in a raid environment. I have looked up rotations for DK tanks and am wondering if I should always keep my diseases up for save them for my death strike

Michultradk
05-03-2011, 09:03 AM
One things for sure, on my Priest I can tell when a DK is NOT using his tools correctly, and when they are it's really no different than any other tank IMHO.

You should spend about 30-45 minutes reading Satorri's guide on DK tanking, you might decide you never wanna tank on a DK, or better yet you might delete your other tanking capable toons :)

http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?71144-Cataclysm-Death-Knight-Tanking-Satorri-s-Guide-to-the-Bloody-Future

Theotherone
05-03-2011, 09:18 AM
^ Yeah good point, it is easier to tell when a tank, especially a DK, is ignoring his tool and when he's using them correctly.

Cgrichyrich
05-03-2011, 09:53 AM
Okay cool I will check out this guide =) thanks

Arquandole
05-03-2011, 11:31 AM
I actually picked up the old reigns on my warrior and I've begun to tank on him. I've noticed that while Pallys and DKs are viable tanks, Warriors require alot more skill to keep the threat train going, and thusly the outcome is greater results. However this is completely based upon my personal opinion, but just throwing that out there :)

Kriandis
06-26-2011, 12:28 PM
My guild recently asked me to tank and as of right now i have a 85 druid, pally, and dk and i also have a 80 warrior. I was woundering if anyone could point me into the right direct on what tank will be the best or good for raid bosses. I will be the main tank so if anyone can shed some light onto this subject thanks in advanced =D

cgrichyrich :cool:

Kriandis
06-26-2011, 12:30 PM
I love my pally. They just seem more versatile, especially if you have a Dranei, which is what I have. You can help the healer in healing so much more with gift of Narru, They have better crowd control....In my opinion, plus they have great Aura's. With 4.2 coming out soon, the resistance aura will be ver helpful for fire resistance for the party

Babum
06-26-2011, 01:37 PM
I have a bear, a pally, a DK and a warrior. The bear is an offspec, the pally is an alt, the DK is still in Outland... I love the warrior the most.

Throw, CHARGE, block, SLAM!!!

Mobs hate my warrior.

Seriously though, it's been said before... All are viable, success depends on what you like playing most and how much you are prepared to research and practice to learn and improve.

Babs

justinlee
06-26-2011, 07:48 PM
which one is ur favorite?
I think if someone want to roll a class . he must choose the favorite one , not the OP one.
U must ask yourself which class is ur favorite, then choose one .