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zevel
04-20-2011, 02:14 AM
Hello

Im a well exprienced tank , got both DK and warrior tanks. I made peace with warriros trouble of keeping agro in AoE 5 men HC instances and i know DK's have a great AOE threat. But the thing that annoys me , is that i made a lvl 84 paladin inorder to make my life easier on 5 men instaces / AoE threat and i find out that DK dps or warrior dps over agro me when it comes to multiple mob pulls on 5 men instances.
Any idea what i might be doing wrong or how to solve this other than the TAB switch target tactic ?

Loganisis
04-20-2011, 09:12 AM
A) Are you marking kill priority (skull and X)?
B) What is your multi-target rotation?
C) What weapon are you using?
D) What is the level difference between you and the DPS? If you don't keep your gear up at 84, if may be that a very well geared 82 could be ahead of you due to the rapid rating inflation needed as you approach 85 that is still pretty forgiving at 82.

You've basically said "things are going wrong" but haven't given any specific information on the circumstances XD

Contravene
04-20-2011, 09:47 AM
There's no problem with DK or Warrior at this time in 5 man HC instances versus our threat. (We don't have threat problems) Try Righteous Defense preemptive and remember you need to get hit by the mob.

zevel
04-21-2011, 02:09 AM
well , i dont mark the mobs becaus i never had to on my DK / warrior tank. for me a good AoE threat is when DPS can go wild on whatever he wants , but thats not the issue.
atm im using a dps 1 hander named sun strike that i got from halls of origination ( a slow 1 hander of 2.60 delay). the aoe rotation i use is Hammer of the righteous --> consecration ---> holy wrath --->avengers shield ---> judgment. using seal of truth and mostly blessing of might. my gear isnt entierly ilvl of 333 as i recently dinged 84.
The reason i made my palain tank is i figured i wont have to target switch and taunt like my warrior and would be easier AoE agro than my Dk , so far i was wrong.
I hope u r right and the fact my gear aint so hot atm is the reason im losing agro.

zevel
04-21-2011, 02:10 AM
There's no problem with DK or Warrior at this time in 5 man HC instances versus our threat. (We don't have threat problems) Try Righteous Defense preemptive and remember you need to get hit by the mob.

do u target switch with taunt on ur 5 men HC ? do u "waste" time in marking mobs before u pull ?

zevel
04-21-2011, 02:56 AM
btw , will forging to hit chance will increase my aoe threat ?

Buffalowings
04-21-2011, 04:06 AM
btw , will forging to hit chance will increase my aoe threat ?

It will, but only by a little bit. Not worth reforging nor gemming for tho.

FatŠ
04-21-2011, 07:04 AM
Hello

Im a well exprienced tank , got both DK and warrior tanks. I made peace with warriros trouble of keeping agro in AoE 5 men HC instances and i know DK's have a great AOE threat. But the thing that annoys me , is that i made a lvl 84 paladin inorder to make my life easier on 5 men instaces / AoE threat and i find out that DK dps or warrior dps over agro me when it comes to multiple mob pulls on 5 men instances.
Any idea what i might be doing wrong or how to solve this other than the TAB switch target tactic ?

First off all it would be nice to have a link too you're character but you say your experianced anough so i think it will be fine.

Secondary on your AoE rotation i do it slightly different.

I pop AW first then i pull with AS Start with Consecration, when i fight dragonkin or undeath i use First HW then HOTR, if im not fighting dagonkin or undeath
i start with HOTR after consecration then HW. I tab my targets with judgement when it is of cd otherwise i use CS. especialy when we have a mage in the party if they krit a couple of times they tend to over aggro, i also use inquisition when i have full holy power.

for AoE threat genration i advice you this build:

http://www.wowhead.com/talent#s0bZGMhfRddoMucbh:0sk

combined with these glyphs:


Prime
http://eu.battle.net/wow-assets/static/images/icons/36/ability_paladin_shieldofvengeance.jpg Glyph of Shield of the Righteous (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/45744)
http://eu.battle.net/wow-assets/static/images/icons/36/spell_holy_sealofvengeance.jpg Glyph of Seal of Truth (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/43869)

http://eu.battle.net/wow-assets/static/images/icons/36/ability_paladin_hammeroftherighteous.jpg Glyph of Hammer of the Righteous (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/45742)

Major
http://eu.battle.net/wow-assets/static/images/icons/36/spell_holy_crusaderstrike.jpg Glyph of the Ascetic Crusader (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/41107)
http://eu.battle.net/wow-assets/static/images/icons/36/spell_holy_purifyingpower.jpg Glyph of Holy Wrath (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/43867)
http://eu.battle.net/wow-assets/static/images/icons/36/spell_holy_layonhands.jpg Glyph of Lay on Hands (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/43367)

Minor
http://eu.battle.net/wow-assets/static/images/icons/36/spell_magic_magearmor.jpg Glyph of Blessing of Kings (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/43365)
http://eu.battle.net/wow-assets/static/images/icons/36/spell_holy_sealofvengeance.jpg Glyph of Truth (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/43368)
http://eu.battle.net/wow-assets/static/images/icons/36/spell_holy_greaterblessingofkings.jpg Glyph of Blessing of Might (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/43340)

Additional i pop AW when it is of cd regulary it will genrate more threat because it will doing more damage, whatever i do! when i think the healer is up for AoE spam that is i always target skull and cross so your party knows where you will start your pull. I always bare in mind that every dps can manage to pull aggro on non tank targets so its not only your job to maintain it, if you have problems with surtain players to hold aggro or a particular class then the problem might also be on their end. If you know your doing everything what is needed to hold a streadfast threat generation start looking on how they put their rotation out and point them to the right direction.

for example does the dk starts with D&D (d&d) for me thats a no go and will ask the DK not to do that anymore because it will eat up your threat generation, or is the mage opening up to soon on heavy AoE, or it might be that our lovely warrior is charging in before you hit the pack, they need to give you the time to reach the pack of mobs and put out your rotation. also the other members in your party might be a little better geared sometimes. you need to be aware of it, if your still lvling up then you need to be aware of the lvl differance too. A lot of factors can come in play why you might have problems to hold aggro on surtain cituations your job at this point is too look what that problem might be and in which kind of cituations they occur and write them down and then look for the info on those reasons.

Anyway i hope it helps a bit ;-)

regards

Insahnity
04-21-2011, 02:46 PM
I dunno, I don't have problems with threat. My DPS, even at 85 and my pally is not geared enough to be allowed into a heroic, still hits 10-11k.

Are you using Tidy Plates with Threat Plates? That really helps identify aggro quickly in AoE situations.

I do use a different priority.

I *always* bracket every ability with HotR. HoPo usage is critical.

Therefore:

Run up and HotR. I purposely do not AS unless I need to silence first. I run Seal of Truth for DPS, but even with Seal of Insight i can still hold threat. If it's trash, I would add Ret aura as well.

<optional> Divine Plea for instant 3 HoPo and Inquisition, possibly add Wings. This assumes Pursuit of Justice so you run quickly.

HotR->AS->HotR-><AS if procced, or else> Consecrate->HotR->ShotR if I have sacred duty proc, Inquisition if it's down, WoG if I'm low on health->HotR->AS if it's up, otherwise Judge-HotR->etc.

Selene
04-22-2011, 05:01 PM
Not sure what you are doing wrong, I have an 84 and an 85 pally tank, and don't have issues unless dps are being stupid, i.e. unloading before I get a chance to even HIT the mobs. But I also like to mark one skull usually too though, especially in Stonecore.