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Drizzt74
03-30-2011, 10:48 AM
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Spirestone/Drizztguen/simple

I can't find any info in the gear guides on this site regarding soul blade. Sorry for not linking but I'm on my BB. It goes for 20 to 24k on my server is it worth it? BTW I can afford it but it is by no means pocket change. It takes me about a month to put together that kind of gold. I'm about to start raiding and I just need someone to steer me one way or another. I'm itching to click the buyout button, I just don't want to regret it.

Thanks

MellvarTank
03-30-2011, 10:52 AM
Until you have a shot at the maloriak mace, it's pretty much tops.

Drizzt74
03-30-2011, 10:54 AM
That was quick Melvar thanks......didn't even finish my lunch....lol

marklar
03-30-2011, 12:17 PM
it's nice, but i wouldn't spend 20k+ on it. either try to join a BoT trash farming run and get it for free, or just wait until you down valiona; she drops an equivalent weapon to tank with. your blue should be fine until then.

Kerchunk
03-30-2011, 01:28 PM
or just wait until you down valiona; she drops an equivalent weapon to tank with.

No she doesn't.

If you're talking about Lava Spine (http://www.wowhead.com/item=59333) it drops from Magmaw and it's by no means equivalent. The Mastery/Hit on the Soul Blade are tanking stats; Crit/Haste are not.

The Soul Blade (http://www.wowhead.com/item=59521) and Mace of Acrid Death (http://www.wowhead.com/item=59347) are the only really viable 359 tanking weapons right now.

Still, I wouldn't spend 24k on it. Just get a 346 weapon and start raiding. The swords drop like candy and Maloriak is not an incredibly tough fight.

Loganisis
03-30-2011, 02:04 PM
The swords drop like candy and Maloriak is not an incredibly tough fight.

These are such bad comments. Drops are RNG. For every raider that sees it drop every week there's another raider that it drops nearly never. It's a bell curve. MOST raiders will see it drop every few kills. Some will see it drop far more often, some far less often. What you see is one blip on the curve.

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To the OP - 346 weapons are fine for Normal Mode. Are you planning on jumping right into hard modes? If not, I would agree with marklar. 346 should be perfectly fine for normal modes.

Fetzie
03-30-2011, 02:07 PM
A word of warning. We are going into our 13th ID of killing maloriak. He has yet to drop the mace :/

IF the soul blade drops, take it, it is a very nice sword. I wouldn't drop 24k on it though.

Ion
03-30-2011, 02:09 PM
A word of warning. We are going into our 13th ID of killing maloriak. He has yet to drop the mace :/

Heh...we have had them drop for every tanking ALT (including my warrior getting it the first time in there), but our main raid tanks have yet to see it drop.

Kerchunk
03-30-2011, 02:52 PM
These are such bad comments. Drops are RNG...It's a bell curve.

Yes, and my advice is to plan on being in the middle of the curve like most people. Which means you will see this drop.

I suppose if you want to plan for being a statistical outlier you could justify spending 250k on this item because you're never going to see either tanking weapon drop in your lifetime... but I would advise against that approach personally.

Dragaan
03-30-2011, 02:57 PM
Depends how much you care about your dps/tps. It's not much better than some of the heroic blue weapons in terms of survival, so if that's all you care about it might not be worth the price. For me, I always want the highest ilv weapon I can get. On my warrior, I bought it right away (spend days askin trade for it) even tho I was already running BOT and killing Maloriak, cause I didn't wanna wait lol. Bought another one for my paladin the night he hit 85.

javsaddiction
03-30-2011, 03:02 PM
Our guild runs BOT trash runs pretty frequently. Although those phase twister legs seem to drop the most, the soul blade drops pretty frequently. 2 times in the last week as a matter of fact.

It's a nice sword, but I'm not sure I'd spend that kind of gold on it....

Loganisis
03-30-2011, 03:22 PM
Yes, and my advice is to plan on being in the middle of the curve like most people. Which means you will see this drop.

I suppose if you want to plan for being a statistical outlier you could justify spending 250k on this item because you're never going to see either tanking weapon drop in your lifetime... but I would advise against that approach personally.


Your advice is to plan on RNG? That's, frankly, bad advice.

No one is arguing spending a 24k let alone 250k gold on an item, all you're doing is distracting from the fact you made a bad antedoctal comment that will lead players astry.

If you plan on RNG drops, then you should plan on every 10th incoming attack being dodged at 10% dodge and every other attack blocked with 50% block.

That's not how RNG works and suggesting basing game decisions on this is bad.

ironsides
03-30-2011, 03:34 PM
It's a nice weapon and useful for smf as well if you ever play offspec. If you have the money and are not yet raiding go for it. If it will blow a lot of your money I would use cookies tenderizer like I did =P.

squats
03-30-2011, 03:36 PM
Your advice is to plan on RNG? That's, frankly, bad advice.

No one is arguing spending a 24k let alone 250k gold on an item, all you're doing is distracting from the fact you made a bad antedoctal comment that will lead players astry.

If you plan on RNG drops, then you should plan on every 10th incoming attack being dodged at 10% dodge and every other attack blocked with 50% block.

That's not how RNG works and suggesting basing game decisions on this is bad.


He wanted to know if it was a good choice... not if its practical or how oftend it might drop.. you can stop with your comments, they do no good. And everyone else can stop arguing over things that dont matter.

Soul blade has mastery on it, which is a great stat for a tank. But its not a huge upgrade over your current weapon, as your current one has parry, and only ~10 less mastery on it.

It would make a much larger difference if you look at your professions, and reforging. turn some of that dodge (im guessing you over looked a few items.. as you have most of your dodge turned into parry. but left it on some gear) into parry. And at the very least, pick up JCing.

Tschus
03-30-2011, 04:02 PM
I bought one at 20K for my warrior tank when we started serious progression. It's a good weapon and accompanied me through countless wipes! lol I think every bit of gold I spent is worthwhile.

There were several concerns when I bought it. Because I bought it several months ago and the sword was usually quite expensive during that time, like 30K+ or so. 20K sounds pretty attractive at the time. And by buying the sword I could pass the mace to our pally tank when it first dropped. Also, because I usually go dps if it's a single tank fight, I use it to dps in fury too. So all in all I think it's a nice deal.

I'd say it depends on your situation and guild/raid conditions. 20K+ sounds too much for me now lol

Loganisis
03-30-2011, 04:04 PM
He wanted to know if it was a good choice... not if its practical or how oftend it might drop.. you can stop with your comments, they do no good. And everyone else can stop arguing over things that dont matter.

Squats, I wasn't referring to the OP.


The swords drop like candy and Maloriak is not an incredibly tough fight.


Yes, and my advice is to plan on being in the middle of the curve like most people. Which means you will see this drop.

I suppose if you want to plan for being a statistical outlier you could justify spending 250k on this item because you're never going to see either tanking weapon drop in your lifetime... but I would advise against that approach personally.

It was a bad comment initially, that you can *expect* to have access to RNG drops as normal courses and then try to play it off as the advice works on average.

It's bad advice.

Maybe it's because I was burned by months of farming NES daily (and sometimes more) with seeing it drop just twice. But it's incredibly frustrating to see people spout that drops can be counted on. They can't. They are RNG.

Fetzie
03-30-2011, 04:19 PM
You can't plan on getting a random drop. Because it might not drop. You know that in 2 weeks time you can buy a ring or cloak for valor points, because they are guaranteed. You cannot know that a random loot item will drop or not. ToC faction champions were available in august 2009. I got my Juggernaut's vitality trinket in the last week of Feb 2010, two weeks before I got the stamina trinket from Sindragosa.

Now, http://www.wowhead.com/spell=94718 IS a reliable source of a weapon. Expensive, but nevertheless reliable because just about every blacksmith on your server will be able to build it for you. And it will be quite a lot cheaper than Soul Blade :)

Drizzt74
03-30-2011, 04:25 PM
Wow this thread blew up while I was at work. Thanks for all the comments. BTW most of my raid exposure will come through pugs. I'm in a leveling guild and as many times as we have tried to start raiding it never materializes.

As far as waiting for something to drop, I have had some bad experiences. No joke I have run heroic Grim Batol no less than 30 times and have never gotten throngus's finger to drop. A guildy needed a normal, I ran him and the non heroic version dropped.

As far as the 20k+ price tag goes, I look at it as its costing me 5k in mats and 8 chaos orbs. Because that is about what I need to craft a few items to make the money for it. I'm just debating whether it is a significant upgrade for me. The mace you guys where discribing from Maloriak, tbh if things go as they usually do for me its going to be awhile before I even get there.

I'm not the best tank in the world, I would say I'm an average tank at best, but I enjoy it. I find in my case it helps me to outgear the content I'm in by a bit. Thanks again.

nserafini
03-30-2011, 09:29 PM
We've got Maloriak on farm in normal, and it's dropped 2 of the 12 times we've been there. It will drop 20 times after I finally get it, I.E. Deathbringers Will .....

Stick with the 346. I've still got my Smite's Reaver and see no need for spending the cash for an upgrade that not huge to he honest.

Until you start to see Hard Mode content, don't sweat the 346 weapon. Save the gold and get the chest made ( and we can talk about skinning/leatherworking later on ????? )

mistraele
03-30-2011, 10:31 PM
i have it. its nice. but, it is not really a huge upgrade over the 346 tanking weps you can get in terms of mitigation stats.

i would spend the 20k on other items first like the crafteds, or valor boots etc.

Peca
03-31-2011, 01:18 AM
If you have gold it is nice weapon.Gold is not drop it is just effort and these days 20 k is nothing compared to finding proper guild.Since you say you are not good are money making maybe you should consider option to go for boe sholders(you will not get better ones even with tier11 sholders).That sword is good but not some crazy improve from Stonecore one that drops on last boss.So imo if you are starter for that gold you can buy or craft other parts and be better prepared for normals.

mistraele
03-31-2011, 01:58 AM
lol, those BOE shoulders go for 65k on my server... and ive only seen them once..

Peca
03-31-2011, 02:08 AM
Depends how much server is populated,for example on my relm they are 14-18 k.So if price for souldblade is like he said then this should be in that range.

Illidra
03-31-2011, 02:13 AM
the paladin design ones are world drop and therefore expensive, the boT ones are a pretty rare drop, but still only about 25 k on my server and my server is backwater with inflated AH prices.

marklar
03-31-2011, 02:30 AM
No she doesn't.

If you're talking about Lava Spine (http://www.wowhead.com/item=59333) it drops from Magmaw and it's by no means equivalent. The Mastery/Hit on the Soul Blade are tanking stats; Crit/Haste are not.

The Soul Blade (http://www.wowhead.com/item=59521) and Mace of Acrid Death (http://www.wowhead.com/item=59347) are the only really viable 359 tanking weapons right now.

yes, she does. i didn't say magmaw or lava spine.

Fang of Twilight (http://www.wowhead.com/item=63533) is very similar and free - certainly not 20k difference there. hit might be better than crit, but both stats are trash and are getting reforged anyway.

Illidra
03-31-2011, 02:35 AM
fang of twilight is agility, which iirc no longer provides dodge, so you lose parry rating from the missing str.

Fetzie
03-31-2011, 02:50 AM
Agility provides about 30% more avoidance through dodge than strength does through parry rating for warriors, paladins gain about 40% more dodge per base stat point from agility than strength at the DR levels one generally has in full 359 gear.

Fairly easy to test, go to silvertide in Vashj'r , buy the epic agility/mastery ring. equip it, watch your dodge chance go up. You will also get more parry rating from reforging the haste to parry (I think you get 50 parry rating which is what you would get from 200 strength) than you would on an ilvl 359 strength ring without parry rating.

Agility items with a reforged threat stat and mastery are almost always better for combat table coverage than the respective strength item. Look how highly rated the heroic version of the agility necklace is for tanks.

The only thing that changed with respect to agility is that it no longer provides us with bonus armor.

Riz
03-31-2011, 06:45 AM
I'm on Uldaman..I was in a LFD the other day with a frost dk dual wielding soul blades from Lethonh..He said they go for 12-15kon his realm and i liked to crap myself...On Uldaman, they are 40k...DMF trinkets r mkinimum 25k-35k...Crafted shields r 5k, its just unbelievably unrealistic on my realm...I went to buy a off-hand enchant this morning, as they were only 250g yesterday morning, and was shocked to see that 24hrs laters they were up to 650g...If your looking for a realm change, dont come to Uldaman....


To the Op...Soul Blade, Imho, is great until Maloriaks Mace as Melvar said...

kopcap
03-31-2011, 08:16 AM
Sorry for highjacking but I have a related question. Is soul blade reforged into expertise the absolute best TPS weapon for a warrior tank in 359 ilvl? Pure burst TPS, nothing else matters. And what would be the best threat enchants for both weapon and the shield?

Fetzie
03-31-2011, 09:38 AM
The weapon chain if not hit capped, otherwise if you have 10000g to drop landslide.

Giliandrix
03-31-2011, 09:48 AM
Sorry for highjacking but I have a related question. Is soul blade reforged into expertise the absolute best TPS weapon for a warrior tank in 359 ilvl? Pure burst TPS, nothing else matters. And what would be the best threat enchants for both weapon and the shield?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/68128

I got this yesterday in our clearing of Al'Akir. Hit + Expertise were on it. Definitely the best TPS stats + Weapon you can get in all regular modes at a 359 ilvl.

For enchants (Although really...not practical), the best enchant would be landslide on your weapon for maximum TPS, and then a Pyrium Shield Spike on your shield.

Vong
03-31-2011, 10:26 AM
I did. Got mine for 15k so bit cheaper. I was getting some probs with some of our dps getting close on threat as they where mostly using 359's which seem to drop from magmaw like every time. We are working on maloriak now and I felt I did need the extra boost. Won't put Windwalk on it though as I will wait for a mace methinks but if you can't get if from a bot trash run see if you can shout in trade maybe someone will want a quick sale and drop the price. Gl.

Drizzt74
03-31-2011, 11:06 AM
I'm really close to getting the rep boots and the TB trinket. I think I'm going to by Soul Blade its down to 19k.Between all that gear it should be a good upgrade.

marklar
03-31-2011, 02:14 PM
fang of twilight is agility, which iirc no longer provides dodge, so you lose parry rating from the missing str.

incorrect. doing a detailed comparison, and assuming reforging of threat -> avoidance, you get:
fang: +0.93% crit
fang: +0.13% avoidance

blade: +0.49% hit

everything else is identical.
to top it off, the fang looks much better (imo). considering that valiona is among the easiest fights you'll see in the expansion, i'd think about what that 20k is really buying. personally, if i had the soul blade and the fang dropped, it probably switch to the fang.

Icebreaker
04-01-2011, 01:58 AM
Soul blade is not the best, but it's the second imho. And you know I never wait for drops - if the God doesnt drop that item for me I guess he wants me to take smth else. So I take the Soul blade the moment I can and never regret it. And even after I've got Maloriac's mace I still use the Soul blade with Pirium chain for interupt/threat set.
And gold... What's it for but buying the gear for raiding?:)

Katzazi
04-01-2011, 02:43 AM
I would never buy an item but I don't think it's bad to, I'm just bad at the money game. The secret is, when you just bought it, it will drop right the next run you are doing. Multiple times. So you can sell it again then... It's what happens to me all the time. :) I've not bought one but helped some other guild several times and sweet-talked them to give me one of those epic guns they had laying around (yes, I'm a bad girl). That got the guns dropping for us, too. :)

So much for statistic discussions and logic. My comment is as statistical relevant and logic as most of the others. But maybe somewhat more helpfull. Since it will lead to having a weapon at least.

Anyway, my advice would be to start raiding with the good blue one and stick to it until you have easy access to an epic one. Since there should have been a lot of drops by now, just keep your ears open, maybe you can find someone who would give it to you for a cheap price or if there is someone who would like to trade it for some rng drops your guild has lying around because nobody needs it. Trading epics for epcis is something that should be done more often. There are so many guilds missing certain drops and beeing flooded by others, it's a waste do not think about it.

corpsemakr
04-01-2011, 08:08 AM
i have it and it's worth it !!! I paid 19k for it. Scilla horde>

Drizzt74
04-04-2011, 08:13 AM
Got it over the weekend and a guildy put Windwalk on it for free. Got the rep boots also and my Drake from TB. Overall it was a good weekend.

Deathwish238
05-04-2011, 02:59 PM
I've seen 4 soul blades drop(been lucky enough to win 2, great for SMF) in my guild runs. That said, I'm pretty sure Bloodlord's Protector is better than the Soul Blade for total damage avoided/reduced.

Sythar
05-19-2011, 04:17 AM
To be honest, if you can afford it just get it. If then it drops you can sell it yourself (obviously this depends on the guild etc.) That way if you spent 20k on it and managed to sell it for 18k, youve paid 2k for it. Which isnt bad ;)

Tengenstein
05-19-2011, 06:21 AM
Except that once equipped it's soul bound, meaing you can't AH and thus can only vendor it for maybe 24 gold?

Sythar
05-20-2011, 07:17 AM
To be honest, if you can afford it just get it. If then it drops you can sell it yourself (obviously this depends on the guild etc.) That way if you spent 20k on it and managed to sell it for 18k, youve paid 2k for it. Which isnt bad ;)

Then if it drops... after you've bought it and your guild lets you have it. Not sell your one. Re-read.

excursion
06-20-2011, 04:16 AM
i would say 20k for something that would be upgraded is never worth it.

if you can grind ZG til http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/69609/bloodlords-protector/ drops
and use this til the 359 mace drops and you should be good .

no need in spending that much for something that would sit in your bank after a short use

Loganisis
06-20-2011, 09:34 AM
i would say 20k for something that would be upgraded is never worth it.

if you can grind ZG til http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/69609/bloodlords-protector/ drops
and use this til the 359 mace drops and you should be good .

no need in spending that much for something that would sit in your bank after a short use

Especially since the discussion ended over a month ago with 4.2 drop looking like 8 days at most.

justinlee
06-24-2011, 03:42 AM
the soul blade is useful if u are a tank , and it looks awesome, isn't it ?
That's a good idea to get 1.