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Bodasafa
02-27-2011, 11:17 AM
I'm trying to theory craft the best possible single target threat spec and a aoe/adds/prot pvp spec and I find my self asking: Does Gag Order effect interrupts?

I understand it silences and reduced HT CD but would those points be spent better else where if it does not actually effect my ability to interrupt? Like say Halfus for example casts a Shadow Nova, I use Shield Bash, my hit is the only thing effecting its success correct?

Right now I'm looking at these 2 options and would appreciate feed back.

Boss/Single Target Max Threat: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LG0cZ0bZIfGzRRozbu:0oV0VqzMk

I am wondering how essential Safegaurd is for raiding. The BnT is for easier refresh of Rend, since its a staple of threat now.

AOE/Adds/Prot PvP: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LMZhb0oZcrGdRRodru:0VomcqzoM

Destruyen
02-27-2011, 11:30 AM
hit is the only thing that increases interrupt success, but you can essentially get two interrupts with gag order via heroic throw. yes it's a 30 second cd with 2/2 gag order but it's good as a backup (more for 10 man than 25 man).

i've actually dropped safeguard awhile ago since intervene takes 10% threat off the target of it. yeh it's an op cooldown (30% dmg reduction on a 30 second cd) but with tank swap fights where you and the other tank are neck and neck on threat through taunts it will make you pull aggro. then the dmg reduction is wasted since they aren't tanking the boss anymore since you just took 10% threat and you are now tanking the boss.

i would pull 2 points from shield spac and put it into thunderstruck. since warriors with bnt refresh rend with thunderclap and shockwave still in the single target priority list, buffing it is kind of a no brainer imo. plus rage is plenty with just one point in shield spec if you are tanking something.

this is my single target spec: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LG0cZ0bZIdGzRRodbu:0oV0VqzMk
and my aoe/kiting spec: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LrZhb0oZIdGzRRodbu:0oV0VqzMk

Bodasafa
02-27-2011, 11:52 AM
Thanks Destruyen.

Unforgivein
02-27-2011, 11:58 AM
hit is the only thing that increases interrupt success, but you can essentially get two interrupts with gag order via heroic throw. yes it's a 30 second cd with 2/2 gag order but it's good as a backup (more for 10 man than 25 man).

i've actually dropped safeguard awhile ago since intervene takes 10% threat off the target of it. yeh it's an op cooldown (30% dmg reduction on a 30 second cd) but with tank swap fights where you and the other tank are neck and neck on threat through taunts it will make you pull aggro. then the dmg reduction is wasted since they aren't tanking the boss anymore since you just took 10% threat and you are now tanking the boss.

i would pull 2 points from shield spac and put it into thunderstruck. since warriors with bnt refresh rend with thunderclap and shockwave still in the single target priority list, buffing it is kind of a no brainer imo. plus rage is plenty with just one point in shield spec if you are tanking something.

this is my single target spec: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LG0cZ0bZIdGzRRodbu:0oV0VqzMk
and my aoe/kiting spec: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LrZhb0oZIdGzRRodbu:0oV0VqzMk

I agree with his reading about Safeguard, Back in ICC in fights like Sind, when you had the fly away phase and one of your dps or heals had more threat than you, you could do a Mouse over intervene. But you should of made sure you were picking up the boss. because you may over aggro the tank.

But now in cata, As he said with his

you and the other tank are neck and neck on threat through taunts it will make you pull aggro. then the dmg reduction is wasted since they aren't tanking the boss anymore since you just took 10% threat and you are now tanking the boss.

I 100% agree with this, because in every fight that you will be taunting like in BT, you and the other tank should be neck and neck with aggro, so when it comes time to taunt you can taunt easily and get your aggro above the other tank.

My spec: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LGZhZIfGzRRodbu:0Voc0zzkM

I would not use this spec if your looking for a threat build. I use this for a sort of "healer friendly" build, If I was to be lacking threat on fights I would be using this:

http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LG0cZ0bZIrGzRRokbu:0Vo0sVzMk

And again I agree with Destruyen's aoe/kiting spec, taking one point out of War academy and puting it in Piercing howl is a very nice set up.

Tengenstein
02-27-2011, 03:21 PM
hit is the only thing that increases interrupt success, but you can essentially get two interrupts with gag order via heroic throw. yes it's a 30 second cd with 2/2 gag order but it's good as a backup (more for 10 man than 25 man).

I tend to find that bosses are immune to silences and as such HT does not interupt them.

Quinafoi
02-28-2011, 08:18 AM
I tend to find that bosses are immune to silences and as such HT does not interupt them.

This.

There is a fundamental difference between a Silence and an Interrupt. A silence prevents the target from casting. An interrupt interrupts their cast. Mobs can be immune to silence and still be interruptable. The mistake most people make is substituting silences for mechanics that require interrupts, simply because when they use a silence on a non-silence immune mob it functions similarly to an interrupt (naturally if you can't cast, you can't complete your current cast).

This is also why many abilities which function as both an Interrupt and a Silence will list both effects. Such as Solar Beam (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=78675) and Silencing Shot (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=34490). You will note that Gag Order (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=12958) is only a silence and since the ability it modifies, Heroic Throw (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=57755) isn't an interrupt on its own, this ability will not interrupt a cast.

JollyWarrior
02-28-2011, 09:09 AM
I tend to find that bosses are immune to silences and as such HT does not interupt them.

iirc heroic throw interrupted the mend flesh cast in SFK with gag order.

Tschus
02-28-2011, 10:03 AM
I believe that Heroic Throw with Gag Order only silences the target and has no interrupt component. If you happen to see Heroic Throw stops the target's casting then it must have been affected by the silence.
However, a prot pally's Avenger's Shield seems to really "interrupt" in addition to the silence effect. Our pally tank accidentally interrupted Maloriak's summon add spell a few times with AS and that was devastating. lol

Quinafoi
02-28-2011, 10:20 AM
iirc heroic throw interrupted the mend flesh cast in SFK with gag order.


The mistake most people make is substituting silences for mechanics that require interrupts, simply because when they use a silence on a non-silence immune mob it functions similarly to an interrupt (naturally if you can't cast, you can't complete your current cast).

If the mob is susceptable to silence, silence makes it so they can't cast therefore their current cast is canceled. This does not mean a silence is interchangable with an interrupt.

You did not interrupt the SFK boss. You silenced him.
Again this isn't a mistake limited to just a few people. There are a lot of people out there that make this same mistake. The important thing is that we learn from it.

Heroic throw doesn't interrupt. Period.