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adius
01-27-2011, 03:20 PM
Well, i got a lvl 85 elemental shammy (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/grim-batol/glatius/simple this is my armory).
What happans is that my dps is crap, with that gear i can just get about 8 / 9 k dps in dummy, and in dungeon about 7k..
The rotation i use is, Flame Shock, Lava Burst, LB (spam it till the lava burst is up). Previusly i put lighting shield and flametongue. So i don't know whats wrong, i talked with some other shamans they get like 10 k, and even then they say that little dps is beacause right now shaman its the worse class, well i dont know. Hope you can help.

Thank you.

PD: It's my first post here so if something its wrong sorry.

Kazeyonoma
01-27-2011, 04:16 PM
moved to HALP! ;]

Prexie
01-27-2011, 07:26 PM
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/grim-batol/glatius/advanced

You're wearing two cloth pieces which cancels your 5% intellect bonus from Armor Specialization. What's mystifying is you bought the cloth helm with justice points when there's a perfectly good mail helm for justice points. You're missing enchants and your gems are random.

Haste is slightly better than mastery.

You don't seem to be utilizing Fulmination or using Unleash Weapon when you move. What totems are you using?

Your reforging doesn't make sense. Reforging spirit to hit is pointless for ele/sp/boomkin and while you are hit capped for heroics, you aren't for raids.

Resources: http://totemspot.com/2011/01/cataclysm-elemental-guide-4-0-3/
http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t110309-elemental_cataclysm_discussion_patch_4_0_3a/

Both of these forum threads should be more than enough to explain proper elemental to you.

adius
01-27-2011, 11:22 PM
stonekin, searing toem, mana spring, wrath of air. What dfo you mean when you say "You're missing enchants and your gems are random." what enchants sould i use so? Thank you for the sites i'm gonna check them right now ;)

Perrian
01-28-2011, 10:30 AM
From EJs

Elemental FAQ
Here are the most common questions related to the Elemental spec.

Basics

What spec and glyphs should I use?
For PvE, use this spec and glyph setup: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/talent#hGGMGRfkzGobhM:0omqoa0mM)

What are Elemental's most important stats?
At 85, they are as follows:

Spirit(Hit) until capped >> Int > Haste > Mastery >> Crit

What's the hit cap at level 85?
For non-Draenei, the hit cap is 1742 hit rating, which you can get from either hit or spirit (via Elemental Precision). For a Draenei, the hit cap is 1640 hit rating.

How should I gem?
As many int gems as possible while getting good (Int or haste) socket bonuses using int/haste orange gems, as well as int/spirit purple gems. Your meta at this point should probably be [Ember Shadowspirit Diamond] (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=52296), until Blizzard fixes the %crit metas in an upcoming patch.

What stats do I reforge on my gear?
Follow these simple Rules for Reforging™!

If you're hit capped, and/or you have excess hit or spirit, do the following:
1. If an item has hit/spirit and crit, reforge hit/spirit to Haste if you have excess hit rating, otherwise reforge crit to Haste
2. If an item has hit/spirit and haste, reforge hit/spirit to Mastery if you have excess hit rating, otherwise leave it alone
3. If an item has hit/spirit and mastery, reforge hit/spirit to Haste if you have excess hit rating, otherwise leave it alone
4. If an item has crit and haste, reforge crit to Mastery
5. If an item has crit and mastery, reforge crit to Haste
6. If an item has haste and mastery, leave it alone!

If you're not hit capped from your gear, reforging crit to spirit can get you the rest of the way, as well as make it easier to exactly reach the cap with no wasted rating. Remember, however, to take gems and socket bonuses into account when reforging to the cap.

In other words, reforge crit to either haste or mastery whenever possible, depending on the other secondary stat on the item.

What self buffs should I use?
Use Flametongue Weapon and Lightning Shield, always, and keep them up on yourself 100% of the time.

What's the standard Elemental Rotation?
In short, we don't really have one anymore. Instead, we cast with a spell priority list.

Flame Shock DoT present -> Lava Burst (whenever it's up) -> Earth Shock (7-9 Lightning Shield charges) -> Lightning Bolt filler

Other situations (like movement, or multi-target fights) are covered in the In-Depth Guide below.

What should I use for AoE?
For trash, Earthquake is enough. On boss encounters that require AoE, Earthquake may be too mana-intensive for chain-casting. In essence, Elemental can't really be relied upon for sustained AoE in the way that other caster classes can, so until an adjustment is made, use it sparingly and Thunderstorm whenever possible.

What totems should I use for most raid situations?
Generally speaking, you should be using Searing and Wrath of Air, with water and earth totems dependent on fight mechanics and buff coverage from other raid members. In addition, be sure to use Fire Elemental at least once per fight, as it isw a major source of DPS and still provides the Totemic Wrath raid buff. For a breakdown on what each totem does and the raid situations they apply to, see the comprehensive guide below.

New Abilities

Spiritwalker's Grace is weird. Where is it best used?
Since it's a 10-second duration and a 2-minute cooldown, SWG is not actually all that useful for most periods of movement in raid situations. Use it instead for those rare instances of longer movement, unless you know for sure that there won't be a period like that in a given fight.

That said, this ability takes some getting used to. At least at first, you should probably use it more often until you get comfortable with how it works.

When should I cast Unleash Elements, and what does it affect?
Unleash Flame, the Flametongue-based attack from Unleash Elements, does a nominal amount of damage and boosts the next Fire spell you cast by 30%. UE's single-target damage is pretty low right now, so it's generally not worth it to cast if you're standing still (or using Spiritwalker's Grace). Instead it can be used while moving to reduce the impact that movement has on our DPS (and without triggering a Shock cooldown).

At what level of Lightning Shield charges should I cast Earth Shock to use Fulmination?
Short answer: Fulmination is best triggered at 7-8 stacks of Lightning Shield. This is due to the way the Shock cooldown interacts with Lava Burst. Casting ES at any point between 7 and 9 gives you more flexibility to work this ability into your rotation while avoiding situations that can cause your DPS to decrease.

Long answer: you can model this yourself, based on your current stats, using a spreadsheet created by Cyfir (thanks!). Link here: http://members.cox.net/cyfir/fulminate.xlsx (http://members.cox.net/cyfir/fulminate.xlsx)

Earth Shock and Flame Shock won't play nice in my rotation anymore!
This is probably the trickiest part of our rotation now. Without 4pc t10, managing the shock cooldown becomes incredibly important. There are a few things you can do that will help.

1. Put two points into Reverberation. This talent has been largely ignored for all of Wrath, but it can become very important in level 85 raids and dungeons. If you find you are able to work with the shock cooldown without this talent, you can put these points into Totemic Reach instead.
2. As previously mentioned, cast Earth Shock at 7 or 8 stacks of Lightning Shield. This gives you the freedom to use ES when you know FS is not going to be recast in the next 5-6 seconds. If you wait until 9 stacks, you run the risk of either having to cast LvB with no Flame Shock DoT, or wasting LS charges.
3. Take the Flame Shock glyph. This gives you quite a bit more breathing room than you might imagine.

Is there an easier way to watch for Lava Surge procs?
Get some mods. TotemTimers is great for both Lava Surge and stacks of Lightning Shield; if you want something a bit more customizable and are willing to put in the effort to configure it, PowerAuras is a solid choice.

Other Questions

Is there a single macro I can mash instead of having to watch my cooldowns, procs and DoTs?
No.

What's the exact target amount of haste I should get to and then stop?
Stop asking this question. There are no target haste values, there never were, there never will be.

Add-Ons
http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t109610-elemental_power_auras_priority_helper_updated_11_2 6_powerauras_4_9_a/
(note: I use this and I'm pushing 16k on Heroic Instance Boss fights) Haven't gone raiding yet... rest of guild is way slow gearing up.

adius
02-02-2011, 12:42 PM
My worry is that, i jsut do about 8/9 dps, i dont know if thats normal :S whats the normal dps for a shaman with gear like mine ? Thank You very much.

Perrian
02-02-2011, 01:07 PM
http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t109610-elemental_power_auras_priority_helper_updated_11_2 6_powerauras_4_9_a/ (http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t109610-elemental_power_auras_priority_helper_updated_11_2 6_powerauras_4_9_a/)

Grab Power Auras and import the Priority Helper in the link above... it will help you get things down... and I'm not sure what your friends are thinking... I'm doing 15k on Heroic Instance Bosses haven't tried raiding yet but will get there soon. Elemental is a fine control class.... there are alot little things that make you lose dps, it comes down to not mashing buttons as fast as possible but to use the Que system in a smart way.

Perrian
02-02-2011, 01:09 PM
My worry is that, i jsut do about 8/9 dps, i dont know if thats normal :S whats the normal dps for a shaman with gear like mine ? Thank You very much.

Normal? Depends on the person.... my shaman is i349 and I'm doing 15k on bosses... your close enough that you should be seeing something similiar.

adius
02-02-2011, 11:01 PM
thats the point, i cant deal more than this :S

adius
02-02-2011, 11:02 PM
http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t109610-elemental_power_auras_priority_helper_updated_11_2 6_powerauras_4_9_a/ (http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t109610-elemental_power_auras_priority_helper_updated_11_2 6_powerauras_4_9_a/)

Grab Power Auras and import the Priority Helper in the link above... it will help you get things down... and I'm not sure what your friends are thinking... I'm doing 15k on Heroic Instance Bosses haven't tried raiding yet but will get there soon. Elemental is a fine control class.... there are alot little things that make you lose dps, it comes down to not mashing buttons as fast as possible but to use the Que system in a smart way.

Thank you very much ;)

adius
02-02-2011, 11:10 PM
Well, i don't know how to put that into the game :S
http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t109610-elemental_power_auras_priority_helper_updated_11_2 6_powerauras_4_9_a/ (http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t109610-elemental_power_auras_priority_helper_updated_11_2 6_powerauras_4_9_a/)
(http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t109610-elemental_power_auras_priority_helper_updated_11_2 6_powerauras_4_9_a/)

Perrian
02-03-2011, 11:08 AM
Get the Addon Power Auras via Curse, WowInterface etc.... then log into the game... launch PowerAuras in game and select import set. Copy the box information into that line and your set.