Katzazi
01-09-2011, 08:51 PM
We have a paladin in the guild who I find really hard to heal. It feels like healing a DK but without the stable phases they have. We did Grim Batol heroic (I did it two times before without a problem.) We used every CC: shaman, retri and warlock. Even then I often had to chain spam FH on him in heal chakra while Guardian Spirit was on him and keeping Serenity up. On the trash. Same with the first boss, every time he had to grap the thrugs I had to chain spam with all I had. We only survived because of my guardian spirits and the two Lay on Hands. That's while everything else worked quite nicely and the special add was CCed.
My holy priest is 85 just for a few days, but I doubt the main problem is on my side. I've healed some heroics and had no problem to heal any of the 4 tank classes until I met him. At least not when eveything else seems to be going like it should be. He also complained before, that he was kicked from groups because of underperformance even while wearing 3 pre-raid epics so he thought he did do well.
I play a prot warrior as a main, I know about tanking basics. So I told him to reforge stuff to mastery. He refused. He thinks he needs all the hit and expertise "because he needs it for threat because if the first hit does not land the stupid dds would steal itimedeatly". I said he could taunt in that case. Answer was: "That's impossible because I already use it for the pull." Well that's quite not what I would recommend but he does not trust me there.
Anyway, I used a character planer and looked what one could do with reforging and geming. That's what I got (eveything unbuffed and I think against lvl85):
12,77% dodge, 12,48% parry, 37,05% block <-- according to armory
13,99% dodge, 13,97% parry, 41,40% block <-- stam, stam/mastery, stam/parry
13,99% dodge, 13,97% parry, 44,91% block <-- stam/mastery, mastery, mastery/parry
13,86% dodge, 13,71% parry, 45,79% block <-- only mastery with 3 stam/ma. for meta
The last version looks like a big upgrade, about 11% nearer to unhittable. But even the version using some stam in every slot gives about 6% (it's what I think he tries to do). But I doubt this alone explaines my problems.
I don't know enough about prot paladins to extract if he is doing his stuff right, so I asked other prot paladins on my server what could be the problem (beside reforging).
I was told he should spec into Eternal Glory (and Divine Guardian, but this would only gie me more time to heal him, butI was already spamming solely on him). He says it's useless and he does not know any other prot paladin who uses it. Well, I tried a spec with and without it at 80 and I liked the version with Eternal Glory much more myself, because it's quite nice to be ably to use a 3 holy power stack more than once. But I'm not sure how good it is at 85. He also does not have Judgement of the just. If this is the pala version of Demo Shout I would include it in my spec. But again, I don't know enough about paladins.
I asked if he always has the holy power shield up. He told me, he would prefere to use word of glory instead if he drops low. Well, I never would have guessed it while watching his health bar. (I don't know about the heroic but he only used 9 WoG in a full non-hero instance later on.) However he insured me that even when he uses WoG he get's the shield stuff maintained. (He linked me the wrong talent about this, but another paladin could point me to the right one, and it seems like he's correct.)
Well, I actually don't know, if he is using his CDs at all. I'm using them more or less on CD while doing heros on my prot warrior who has a better equip than him and who can stun, interrupt, disarm and spell reflect much more than a paladin. I'm not shy to use CDs on my priest either. But I cannot tell if he ever used one of but lay on hands in the runs I did with him. I never saw his health bar stabilise for about the duration of a CD while we did stuff where I had to chain cast on him.
Can you help? One step would be to find the core problem. Or if it could be all of it together. Another step would be how to communicate the solution to him so he would try it. I asked him to reforge everything to mastery for another run today. I would pay the costs if it would not help or even be worse, but he refused. He thinks he would be helpless without his hit and expertise or maybe he is stuborn.
I would not bother with him if we would have more tanks for heroics. I'm just tired to always run heroics with my warrior because I'm the MT and everybody is queing up to run with me.
(I'm not linking his profile, that would feel like name calling.)
My holy priest is 85 just for a few days, but I doubt the main problem is on my side. I've healed some heroics and had no problem to heal any of the 4 tank classes until I met him. At least not when eveything else seems to be going like it should be. He also complained before, that he was kicked from groups because of underperformance even while wearing 3 pre-raid epics so he thought he did do well.
I play a prot warrior as a main, I know about tanking basics. So I told him to reforge stuff to mastery. He refused. He thinks he needs all the hit and expertise "because he needs it for threat because if the first hit does not land the stupid dds would steal itimedeatly". I said he could taunt in that case. Answer was: "That's impossible because I already use it for the pull." Well that's quite not what I would recommend but he does not trust me there.
Anyway, I used a character planer and looked what one could do with reforging and geming. That's what I got (eveything unbuffed and I think against lvl85):
12,77% dodge, 12,48% parry, 37,05% block <-- according to armory
13,99% dodge, 13,97% parry, 41,40% block <-- stam, stam/mastery, stam/parry
13,99% dodge, 13,97% parry, 44,91% block <-- stam/mastery, mastery, mastery/parry
13,86% dodge, 13,71% parry, 45,79% block <-- only mastery with 3 stam/ma. for meta
The last version looks like a big upgrade, about 11% nearer to unhittable. But even the version using some stam in every slot gives about 6% (it's what I think he tries to do). But I doubt this alone explaines my problems.
I don't know enough about prot paladins to extract if he is doing his stuff right, so I asked other prot paladins on my server what could be the problem (beside reforging).
I was told he should spec into Eternal Glory (and Divine Guardian, but this would only gie me more time to heal him, butI was already spamming solely on him). He says it's useless and he does not know any other prot paladin who uses it. Well, I tried a spec with and without it at 80 and I liked the version with Eternal Glory much more myself, because it's quite nice to be ably to use a 3 holy power stack more than once. But I'm not sure how good it is at 85. He also does not have Judgement of the just. If this is the pala version of Demo Shout I would include it in my spec. But again, I don't know enough about paladins.
I asked if he always has the holy power shield up. He told me, he would prefere to use word of glory instead if he drops low. Well, I never would have guessed it while watching his health bar. (I don't know about the heroic but he only used 9 WoG in a full non-hero instance later on.) However he insured me that even when he uses WoG he get's the shield stuff maintained. (He linked me the wrong talent about this, but another paladin could point me to the right one, and it seems like he's correct.)
Well, I actually don't know, if he is using his CDs at all. I'm using them more or less on CD while doing heros on my prot warrior who has a better equip than him and who can stun, interrupt, disarm and spell reflect much more than a paladin. I'm not shy to use CDs on my priest either. But I cannot tell if he ever used one of but lay on hands in the runs I did with him. I never saw his health bar stabilise for about the duration of a CD while we did stuff where I had to chain cast on him.
Can you help? One step would be to find the core problem. Or if it could be all of it together. Another step would be how to communicate the solution to him so he would try it. I asked him to reforge everything to mastery for another run today. I would pay the costs if it would not help or even be worse, but he refused. He thinks he would be helpless without his hit and expertise or maybe he is stuborn.
I would not bother with him if we would have more tanks for heroics. I'm just tired to always run heroics with my warrior because I'm the MT and everybody is queing up to run with me.
(I'm not linking his profile, that would feel like name calling.)