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Patches
12-11-2010, 09:05 PM
I've been 85 for a few days now, my iLvl is 332 with just a couple pieces of gear (2-3) that aren't really for disc/holy but are reforged with spirit. I am having a hard time with healing right now. Heroics are practically impossible for me, regular dungeons are alright though.

Any advice?

Cassius
12-13-2010, 04:46 PM
Pretty much having the same issue atm.

Tbh, at the moment I am blaming it on the fact I may be doing it wrong. Im'a run through what i'm doing and if someone could point me in the right direction that'd be lovely :)

So...

As holy, I am spamming heal and pretty much only using chakra heal while helping to keep renew up on the target.
Trying to weave in the odd smite to get the wings mana return and improved healing.
CoH when there are more than 2 people taking dmg and maybe a renew on them.
FoL for those "oh shiiii" moments.

My main issue is just not having enough throughput to keep my tank up. (Partly due to trying to save mana with cheap spells) The tank is a warrior btw and we are comunicating through Skype so getting the CD rotations down isn't the issue. Most of the groups I feel the dps could be higher, but not by the amount where it'd prevent me going oom.

The issues only come from boss fights where I feel some of the mechanics are out to get me. For example the second boss of Grim Batol where he picks me up while i'm at 90% health and drops me to my death. Maybe thats just me not getting the tacs correct?

So yeah, sorry for Wall of Text but i'm loosing faith in priests...

Patches
12-13-2010, 07:34 PM
Well, I have found that using heal and renew is the only way to stay mana efficient. Don't be afraid to toss flash heals on the tank or a super low group member. There will never be a time where we can go through a whole instance without drinking. I guess it's time to get used to that.

I'm having a lot more fun.

Ellóren
12-14-2010, 02:44 AM
Do check out the Healing Discussion forum as well, there are tons of threads there right now dealing with healing challanges in Cata and mana problems etc.

Undome
12-14-2010, 05:25 AM
I've done fairly well in my Holy spec in doing dungeons and heroics.

Spirit is your friend and if you can, get your hands on some regeneration trinkets (Tears of Blood/Blood of Isiset(SP)). The spirit boost from them are very, very nice. It makes the longer fights a lot more manageable. I will admit, in my experience, priests have some difficulties in some of the heroics. The easiest, I think, for us as a class is Halls of Origination (the first boss is evil though) and Grim Batol (although the trash is evil).

Aside from getting Spirit as a main stat on as much gear as possible, reforge your crit, if not into spirit, into haste or mastery, depending on what you feel helps you most (I personally lean towards mastery for Holy), you need to be extremely proactive in the dungeons. I'd suggest you watch the fights if you can beforehand for smoother runs, but as a priest, I can't stress the importance of taking charge in this dungeons. This means communicating that you've dropped a Lightwell, what mob they need to CC on the first boss in Grim Batol Heroic, telling them when to refresh CC, marking targets, and just generally helping use your leet healer awareness to help the others. This has given me an extremely smooth run in Grim Batol and Halls of Origination.

Right now, unfortunately, priests will have issues with some of the longer fights. While other classes are also having regeneration issues, we don't have a strong, go-to instant cast like Word of Glory or HoT stacking on the fights that require mobility. That has been my biggest problem. I might be able to solve it as Disc, but without a strong, controlled single target mobile healing, fights like the Altarious (SP) in Vortex Pinnacle on heroic have been a lot harder on me. Having low mana regeneration and minimal ability to heal while moving is rather annoying.

Bloodsolice
12-14-2010, 01:52 PM
Well, I'm still 84 should be 85 soon. I have found Disc healing is a nightmare, I have to drink after every other fight... No mana regen to speak of. I have been trying to do disc heals in all the dungeons in cata at least once.. I can make it through some but it depends as always with the group. I think my plan is hit 85 in shadow and go back to disc heals with better gear. Granted I have not really gemed or enchant buffed.. changing gear so fast.. this may be the problem. I have found that with me being in shadow spec, and another healer on main heals, I sometimes have to help out by coming back to cast PoH on some bosses and running vamperic the rest of the time. I am usually top 2 on the DPS chart.. but the wait is so long for dungeons when your DPS. hopefully at 85 i will come back to being an effective heals.. I know groups hate when you have a fail healer but I hate being fail even more.. hate to be the reason for a wipe.

cgriff
12-15-2010, 12:44 PM
I understand your frustration, priests in cata seem to of had no change at all when it comes down to healing capability and mana regen.

I have been running heroics for about a week now and have been barely slipping by on the boss fights. Though sometimes the wipes have nothing to do with the heals, many times it had to do with the dps. I have had so many groups where players were barely pushing enough dps to surpass a normal dungeon boss, and its sad.

But I have been disc since Ive been playing a priest, I haven't really had any trouble with mana regen. With reforging my items and nice trinkets that buff spirit often. My mana regen is pushing 2k per 5 combat regen. (this is unbuffed)
The main thing I have trouble with, is ooming way to quickly on boss fights. And I have found certain things that minimize ooming so quickly. If your disc make sure you use Inner Focus AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, considering it only has a 1m cd 25% increased crit chance and freecast, it makes it very very useful. Though I have found that Inner Focus has a MAJOR bug where it will sometimes NOT proc like it should, causing it to go into cd and not giving you the free cast. Hopefull blizzard will fix it soon. But make sure you use it as much as you can cause it will save you alot of mana. Also make sure to use the more powerful spells with this freecast, take advantage of it and use greater heal or flash. Also if your specced in disc. Make sure you keep a shield up on your tank always! If the weakened soul is on your target you get increased crit chance (dont forget)....also when your shield's absorbs gets used up, you regain a small ammount of mana if your specced correctly, which is very useful and can make a huge difference. Also Power Infusion....Some people think you should cast it on a dps caster, WRONG....WRONG! Cast it on yourself, the 20% cast speed and 20% reduced mana cost on spells makes you save so much more mana. Espically on powerful spells such as flash or greater heal. Hymm of Hope is useful for regaining mana and also getting a large boost of mana for a short amount of time, though it wont last forever. Divine hymm is an amazing add for priests, use it for AoE phases on bosses, also apply a prayer of mending to help out with the aoe'ing. Shadowfiend is by far the greatest ability a priest has, make sure to cast it when you have about 25% mana (that way your not completely relying on the mana regen from the fiend) Some people also like to put a few talent points into Evangilism and Archangel, but I have found that typically unless theres a cooldown period with bosses where nobody is taking damage, Im not able to cast smite and then use archangel to get a boost of mana. But if your capable of weaving a few smites into a fight, then be my guest, the 15% mana you get from 5 stacks and boost of healing is very helpful.

Now remember I save these spells for boss fights only, and typically I will use all of them, or most at the least. Priest's have many ways of mana regen, you just got to know when to use them. Hope this huge block of text helped

Elfie
12-16-2010, 10:18 AM
I too fall under this problem - i recently changed to holy because i felt the healing was a bit easier for me but i used to be disc and a main raid healer but since cata, i find that im having to slink away in shame when the tank dies or an aggro mad dps.

I have seen dps dont take as much damage (if they are good and know what they are doing) so they do not need as much healing - the occasional renew and a shield if they go too low but i "just" scrape by on normals - my gears 334 average and im reforging in as much haste and spirit.

I have been trying to heal for nearly a week now and only made it through one normal dungeon and only killed them 3 times.....unashamedly, i think i am slowly improving. I'm keeping at it, if i think the group isnt working correctly (for example yesterday we had one tank and one dps who thought he was a tank and thus i had to jump between both chars trying to heal them before either one died) i leave the group.

Until everyone gets an understanding and know the tactics for the bosses it is going to be rough for us healers. I have had to tell my guild that i wont be healing anytime soon until i feel confident enough.

As for boss fights, i keep all my mana spells - shadowfiend, hymn of hope, jugs etc and despite running low by the end of the fight, the longer casts are proving helpful to regain mana again.

Just keep practicing. Tell the dps and tanks if you feel something is wrong. I am not a vocal person but if they want me to do my job then they need to do their's correctly.

Eversor1
12-17-2010, 05:01 AM
Gear wise, you need to re-forge everything you can into spirit. All enchants need to be spirit. All gems need to be spirit, int, crit or haste, in that order. You need to do the dungeons which contain the trinkets that proc spirit. There are a couple which proc over 1300 spirit in reg dungeons.
You need to flask and food spirit. This is important, you HAVE to learn how to use Potions of concentration. They return 22000 mana over 10 seconds and if you are an alchemist with the new alch stone they return more twords 30,000 mana. These are key. Use them.
Before item score 245 you want to be disc, not holy. This is why. Holy is wonderful love it to death, however it lacks a very important mechanic which disc contains... Train of thought. This ability will be the key to being able to heal as a priest without being oom all the time. Train of thought allows you to decrease the cd on inner focus by about 25% per greater heal cast. The next is Borrowed time. Caste a shield or two for haste then greater heal to effect Train of thought. Always try to use your inner focus for Prayer or healing for group heals. Make sure you are glyphed for the extra hots at the end.
Always try to avoid casting renew and flash heal. These are VERY not mana efficient. Use renew on the tank but thats it. Try to manage dps with heal and your Train of thought cycle ie Prayer of healing, or a shield.
Keep in mind flash heal and Binding heal cost the same and have the same cast time however flash heal heals a bit more but only to one target. If you are hurt and need healing ALWAYS try to use heal or Binding heal. BH works with inner focus too :)
Ok, Pain supresion and Power word barrier: these are NOT oh shit buttons for the most part. They can be used that way but its very risky. Use these spells when you know that your tank is about to take ALOT of damage. If you use these spells preemptively they will work for you much better. You can also stack them for extra damage mitigation.
The best oh shit button you have is flash heal. If you can slip a shield or renew or pain suppression in there do so but, spamming flash heal saves tanks lives. Its its not efficient but you will just have to recover. Glyph for power word barrier so you get the extra healing.
NEVER use inner fire for boss fights. Always the other one (cant remember the name) the one that give 15% reduction of instant cast spells.
Pick up surge of light and inspiration. Now you Heal reduces the weakened soul effect and can give you a free flash heal thats instant, increses your grace stacks.
I agree, power infusion for yourself. Remember it doesn't work with other haste spells cast on target. If dps is really key dont be completely afraid to put it on the top dps caster.
Front load you shields. Before the tank goes in shield everyone and POM then tank then sit down and drink. You should be able to have shields up and pom on tank and be at full mana by the time the pull happens.
Dont spec into the evangelism/archangel stuff.
Always say when you are going oom, and dont be afraid to ask druids for innervates.
Most important -----TRAIN OF THOUGHT/INNER FOCUS cycle.
Please give me feedback guys

Mačl
12-17-2010, 05:19 AM
Archangel is ATM no mana gain. It only works if you smite for the healing. But don't smite for wings. If you are in a situation where you can get Smiteheal to work then make sure you manage to keep the buff stacked at 5 points. The decreased mana cost for it is worth more than the returned mana/increased healing of Archangel.

This could change once we get our huge mana pools back. But ATM gear doesn't support Disc very well. In order to maximize our Mastery we need lots of Crit. But we don't have enough Crit on our starting gear and we have to focus on Spirit first. So I wouldn't care too much about Mastery ATM. A PW:S every 15 seconds and Aegis every blue moon doesn't justify it.

My gearing strategy(well, reforging, really) ATM is haste and spirit first so I get the most out of Heal.


Fun fact: By extensive smiting and no Archangel you can bring your Penance CD and Smite AND(IIRC) Penance manacost substantially down. If you get this to work(with ProM and PW:S, mana return when teh bubble bursts has just been increased) then you should have very little trouble. Trouble is, your group has to play ball. And the tank has to be really, really close to the center of the mob. I'm still experimenting with which target I have to smite to heal the right group member. If I can't then it's Penance time. This can be stressful and I have to be honest, I'm not sure I enjoy it. But we're all relearning so perhaps things will improve. But the range of the Smiteheal has to be increased to Onyxia level otherwise we only have hunter pets and rogues in range.

I've macroed Inner Focus to Greater Heal and Prayer of Healing and it does work. Binding Heal is also good value for mana. Thankfully I never had given up on it.

Undome
12-20-2010, 06:24 AM
Ok guys, I can help,
First off, WELCOME BACK FSR HEALING. FSR is the five second rule of healing using mana regeneration as your primary source of mana return. After you cast an instant or finish casting a cast time spell a clock will start during which you receive your combat version of your mana regen. After 5 seconds you receive your out of combat mana regen which is substantially better. What this means is that your healing as a priest should always be in bursts and clusters. You need to caste a number of spells together one after the other then stop casting and wait for as long as you can so you can stay outside of your FSR.
Gear wise, you need to re-forge everything you can into spirit. All enchants need to be spirit. All gems need to be spirit or crit or haste, in that order. You need to do the dungeons which contain the trinkets that proc spirit. There are a couple which proc over 1300 spirit in reg dungeons.
You need to flask and food spirit. This is important, you HAVE to learn how to use Potions of concentration. They return 22000 mana over 10 seconds and if you are an alchemist with the new alch stone they return more twords 30,000 mana. These are key. Use them.
Before item score 245 you want to be disc, not holy. This is why. Holy is wonderful love it to death, however it lacks a very important mechanic which disc contains... Train of thought. This ability will be the key to being able to heal as a priest without being oom all the time. Train of thought allows you to decrease the cd on inner focus by about 25% per greater heal cast. The next is Borrowed time. Caste a shield or two for haste then greater heal to effect Train of thought. Always try to use your inner focus for Prayer or healing for group heals. Make sure you are glyphed for the extra hots at the end.
Always try to avoid casting renew and flash heal. These are VERY not mana efficient. Use renew on the tank but thats it. Try to manage dps with heal and your Train of thought cycle ie Prayer of healing, or a shield.
Keep in mind flash heal and Binding heal cost the same and have the same cast time however flash heal heals a bit more but only to one target. If you are hurt and need healing ALWAYS try to use heal or Binding heal. BH works with inner focus too :) Don't forget FSR healing.
Ok, Pain supresion and Power word barrier: these are NOT oh shit buttons for the most part. They can be used that way but its very risky. Use these spells when you know that your tank is about to take ALOT of damage. If you use these spells preemptively they will work for you much better. You can also stack them for extra damage mitigation.
The best oh shit button you have is flash heal. If you can slip a shield or renew or pain suppression in there do so but, spamming flash heal saves tanks lives. Its its not efficient but you will just have to recover. Glyph for power word barrier so you get the extra healing.
NEVER use inner fire for boss fights. Always the other one (cant remember the name) the one that give 15% reduction of instant cast spells.
Pick up surge of light and inspiration. Now you Heal reduces the weakened soul effect and can give you a free flash heal thats instant, increses your grace stacks.
I agree, power infusion for yourself. Remember it doesn't work with other haste spells cast on target. If dps is really key dont be completely afraid to put it on the top dps caster.
Front load you shields. Before the tank goes in shield everyone and POM then tank then sit down and drink. You should be able to have shields up and pom on tank and be at full mana by the time the pull happens.
Dont spec into the evangelism/archangel stuff.
Always say when you are going oom, and dont be afraid to ask druids for innervates.
Most important :::::: FSR HEALING-----TRAIN OF THOUGHT/INNER FOCUS cycle.
Please give me feedback guys

This is terrible information.

The FSR is not back. It is based on being in combat or out of combat. It has NOTHING to do with not casting. You can't dance around the FSR as your mana regeneration only boosts when it says 'Leaving Combat' on your screen.

Holy is also perfectly viable for dungeons. I'd actually prefer it to my Disc spec for doing 5 mans. I don't know where you are getting your information about mana being easier to maintain with Disc, but I don't think that is the case. If people are doing their job correctly, you should rarely go below 80% mana on trash. That means CCing properly and mitigating damage. Heal + Renew + Heal Chakra + HW:Serenity is just gorgeous in dungeons.

Bloodsolice
12-22-2010, 08:42 AM
Ok, an update. I having been trying to heal cata dungeons.... I say trying cause it takes a lot of time and people getting pissed off at me. I have to drink after every other fight to keep my mana. I mean it is a challenge, which I like but like everyone knows the best healer is one that you dont notice, and right now they know me to well. I just wish that you could use dispersion or some like spell for Discipline spec. I do like the fact that we can use a broad array of spells and you really have to be on your toes to determine what needs to be cast, thus no standard rotation like a DPS that is set for numbers 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4 thats no fun. But as I progress I keep thinking ok I need to go Holy spec, but I refuse, I will figure this stuff out. I am now casting spells and thinking about mana at all times. Tanks need to be aware that, healing is going to a problem for some for a while, and They also need to realize that they have to up their game. I was healing today and the tank is standing right in an damage effect steady dropping health instead of kiting, while qqing me for not being able to keep him up. also ranged DPS need to stay out of the fire/damage area when you can. Nothing a healer hates more than some idiot standing in a pool of whatever taking constant damage, yelling at the healer for not keeping them full on health. My main energy will be the tank if you drop because of stupidity I cant help you. just some of my thoughts on Disc healing, there really isnt alot of info out for 4.0.3 but I'm sure its coming.

Verisper
12-22-2010, 10:05 AM
I wish every player would read about all player changes in Cata - either through TS or WOW/Blizzard. But wish in one hand and shat in the other I guess. I have always been a holy healer and right now is VERY challenging. Blizzard said it was to make the game more fun for us healers (go to wow/blizzard and read for yourself) - well right now it isn't fun. Hopefully after better gear in the HR that may hold true. I agree with Bloodsolice - his remark above sooooo accurate. Yes we healers need to learn a new version of our rotation - and it VERY challenging mana management ATM - HOWEVER - all players need to know this - thus - as Bloodsolice said above....No more standing in fire or getting damage because "it's ok the healer has plenty of mana to heal* Well we used to - not anymore. So stupidity is the first evil here. The only thing to change this is peoples *awareness* of the battles and awareness in changes in our factions. I start each raid with an explanation of what *I* need as a healer to make the random go smoothly. If the tank or dps doesn't listen or doesn't care- well we pretty much wipe and of course it's all the healers fault. I've just learned and prefer to leave group when such situations happen. Let them find a better healer or go through a few more that leave before they get the hint. ON the other hand I have found some amazing pug groups cross server, ones that understand and want to finish the raid on the smoothest lvl possible. I only wish blizz would change so we could invite back for groups <:^D
Thanks for the info above on reforging - that was my next move.
Good Luck ALL
Any other information Holy Healers want to pass me is very appreciated.....

Bloodsolice
12-28-2010, 08:19 AM
Well, I changed to Holy and havent been disapointed the basics that work for me are this: Cast shield, then PoM, and Renew, then cast chakra, and wait for your tank or another party member to be in need of healing then cast heal. There is no set rotation just explore your options and find what works for you. When I heal the tank is my priority if you are a DPS that likes to take damage or thinks he is the tank, dont get mad when you dont get the heals like you used to in WotLK. I think overall I will switch back to Disc after my iLevel and experience with the Cata dungeons progress. It is a fact that Mana management is the key to healing at this point as long as you remember to send out your shadowfiend when you are in a boss fight and running low and then cast hymm of hope, to replenish mana for some of the bigger fights you should be fine. Hope this helps.

Eversor1
12-30-2010, 12:29 PM
Well, I am sorry for the misinformation. I was under the impression that they added a third teir regen. Bunk info though. However, i did revise my post. I stand by my other info there though. Holy is not as viable in my opinion, but you have to just try the different specs to see what you like. The versatility with disc i feel is much greater due to being able to front load and actually do massive mitigation initially with barrier and pain suppression. The reason crit is important is bc it means larger heals thus better mana conservation. Additionally it procs free flash heals if done proced while casting heal, also crits proc shields which, falls aback on your mastery for absorption. And Undome, we are here to help people not trash talk, If you cant see where im getting my info when its been laid out then perhaps you need to focus on the letters on the screen a bit more and your attachment to Holy a bit less. Holy is designed more for 10 man+ raid healing imo. You can use it in a 5 man just fine. I m just saying if you are having problems healing then switch to disc until you are geared really well and you will have a much easier time. Thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE feedback

Undome
01-02-2011, 09:03 AM
Well, I am sorry for the misinformation. I was under the impression that they added a third teir regen. Bunk info though. However, i did revise my post. I stand by my other info there though. Holy is not as viable in my opinion, but you have to just try the different specs to see what you like. The versatility with disc i feel is much greater due to being able to front load and actually do massive mitigation initially with barrier and pain suppression. The reason crit is important is bc it means larger heals thus better mana conservation. Additionally it procs free flash heals if done proced while casting heal, also crits proc shields which, falls aback on your mastery for absorption. And Undome, we are here to help people not trash talk, If you cant see where im getting my info when its been laid out then perhaps you need to focus on the letters on the screen a bit more and your attachment to Holy a bit less. Holy is designed more for 10 man+ raid healing imo. You can use it in a 5 man just fine. I m just saying if you are having problems healing then switch to disc until you are geared really well and you will have a much easier time. Thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE feedback

I'm not trash talking, but it really, REALLY needed to be stressed that is terrible information. I also questioned where you got your information. I'm sorry you feel insulted, but I did not insult you, only pointed out that your first bit of information was wrong and was asking where you got the information for the second. The first is the kind of information that can spread. Then, we have a lot of people running around thinking the FSR is back - when it is not. With the basic Heal spell and people gearing for the appropriate regen to use that as an autoattack, you should be casting it liberally.

Also, if you are recommending Surge of Light, I also disagree strongly with that. You only get one Flash Heal every 17 casts of Heal. From what I've experienced is that low of a proc chance is outshined by my usage of Desperate Prayer (which I find a bit sad) and Spirit of Redemption for intentional suicides when I run out of mana trying to keep up groups that I probably shouldn't. That's more of personal preference though and there are some merits to Surge of Light - especially with the potential changes to this talent (there was a Blue post on it recently).

And, no, I don't see where you've gotten your information, insult aside. That is why I asked. All of the information I've read so far has contradicted most of what you have posted as advice.

I've address your advice, not you as a person and I ask that you politely do the same. I will question information that I am not sure of and I will point out when I am quite confident something is not true. Don't take offense to this, as this is the point of these kinds of forums and it is not directed at you.

Finally, to address 'my holy attachment' I am a "Disc Child". I was Discipline 1-80 and up until the two months before Cataclysm where I was Disc/Holy. I have since dropped my Disc spec for a Shadow spec, but please don't try to say I am just some obsessed person with Holy when you really know nothing about me.

Saralik
02-02-2011, 06:09 AM
Gear wise, you need to re-forge everything you can into spirit. All enchants need to be spirit. All gems need to be spirit, int, crit or haste, in that order.

I highly disagree with that statement. You should not reforge anything into spirit...ever. You should be picking up gear that has spirit on it.
Enchants need to be of haste or mastery except for chest which should be peerless stats. Gems should be 40 int if a red socket, blue sockets should be a mix gem int and spirit, orange should be int and haste/mastery

Jurkai
02-10-2011, 06:39 AM
The Debate of Crit Vs. Haste...

I guess i am of the "old school", but i still chose to reforge/gem/chant for Crit over Haste.

Haste is good, because no one wants a heal that takes 3 seconds to cast. But Haste comes with some gear, so a properly geared healer will always have a decent amount of it under most circumstances.

Crit is also good, because a Crit is extra healing done. Free Healing, might I add. Sure it is unpredictable, but with a higher crit % you can actually rely on a crit here or there. Maybe not like: "I NEED this spell to crit NOW!" But overall, if I gotta hit a Tank with 3 Flash Heals and my Crit is Jacked Up, I can assume one will crit. If it doesn't, does it mean life or death? Maybe, but most times, it will not. I still prefer casting 3 Flash Heals with a higher expectation of a Crit happening, than casting 3 Flash Heals a little bit faster, with less of an expected Crit occurring.

In my own sick mind, It's kinda like expecting the worst but hoping for the best. Putting a nerf on you so that if you execute your heals flawlessly and have perfect decision making by prioritizing your heals, you actually get ahead through your critical heals. Sure it leaves less room for error, but as a healer, I like to play like the deck is stacked against me.

Haste is good, like i said before, but it can hurt you. Winding up for a big spell (with more Haste than Crit) because you are EXPECTING the tank to take a ton of damage, but he pops a mitigation Cool Down at the last moment. You have less reaction time to cancel the cast. If he was gonna get hit for 80k damage and he reduced that (through his CD) by 30k, you might not have enough time to react, so your Greater Heal went off. You either topped him off or overhealed. You possibly could have brought him up with a Renew and a few spam Heals. You just wasted a good chunk of Mana by letting the Greater Heal go off. In Cataclysm, we simply can't afford to waste mana.

That's my spiel. And i'm an average player, certainly no Theorycrafter... but i do pay attention to my numbers.

The debate rolls on...

Pockmark
02-10-2011, 07:11 AM
Crit is wasted heals. Haste speeds up the bread and butter heals of "heal" "Greater Heal" and "Prayer of Healing" for a Holy.

Personally all Crit should be reforged into mastery or Haste if you dont have mastery capped. Reforge into Mastery, Haste, Sprit and you cant go wrong.

Haste all the way. After Mastery of course but we all know that ^^

Destinia
02-23-2011, 10:25 AM
I'm also having so much trouble with my heals, I have became so upset by the fact that my heals are nothing like LK that I gave up on my priest who is my fav toon by far to play my hunter :(. After reading these other post im starting to think im not gearing the right way...im going more with intell which is giving me a great mana pool which is what i thought was a good idea to do which i thought would make it easier to heal threw the boss fights, but im still draining my mana pool so bad. So im guessing i need to re-forge and go with spirit...also my rotation maybe hurting me as well. I'm bubbling the tank (which i know you cant spam anymore since the mana cost is over 3k even with that new buff we have) then hitting them with prayer of mending and letting that bounce around then using my penance, also i use to be able to heal with smite and that doesnt do it anymore either. Sadly tho im having to hit inner focus as soon as i can and hit big heal and thats not doing anything for me so im not sure what the problem is but im bout ready to just re-roll a differnt healing class cause it seems paladins and shammys are having a way easier time. Any advice would be great cause i would love to go back to my priest i miss her so :( lol

**Also i just felt awful the other day when i did try again i did the holiday boss which shouldhave been the easiest thing ever to heal...needless to say b-4 the last guy was dead i was 100% oom..there has got to be a way to make this easier and to where i can heal and not feel so damn bad afterwards lol**

Katzazi
02-23-2011, 10:42 AM
Dstinia: What gear level does your priest have? At lower levels holy may be easier to do than disc. I'm not sure if this is true after the last patches and hotfixes, but maybe it's a way to get you back to your priest and healing even if it is not disc.

Destinia
02-24-2011, 07:26 AM
Katzazi-Her gear is showing 330..idk maybe thats to low..here is my armory page http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/cairne/destiniia/simple
tried healing again last night and still struggling so much. Just let me know if u see anything and if you think holy maybe the way to go till i get a higher item lvl thanks :)

sifuedition
02-24-2011, 08:49 AM
If you are at the bare minimum to run heroics, and 330 is, then it will be a struggle. Doesn't mean that you can't do it, but it will be much easier in a guild group. Also, that item level is counting gear in your bags. If you have a iLvl 278 helm equiped but a 318 in your bags that's not as good due to itemization, the one in your bags still counts. Your actual equiped iLvl may be lower than you think.

At the minimums, me and the four I ran with for heroics then wiped a fair amount. You just have to get mechanics more correctly to make it work. There is less room for error.

With the new stacking Luck of the Draw, you should be able to perform more like you are in 346 gear as long as three of the members are randomly assigned to the group. However, that does not mean you can ignore mechanics. It just lends more room for error. When I say "you can't ignore mechanics" I mean the entire group. If you have a pug tank and dps trying to zerg, the fault may not lie with you.

When I have a "failure" healing, I tend to go to recount and look at damage taken. If they want to blame me for a wipe on Throngus, they are first going to have to explain why they took 225,000 damage from Fire Shield.

Destinia
02-24-2011, 09:00 AM
Thanks :) That does help like i said i may need to check around on some reg instances just to make sure im not missing any gear that might help me manage healing a little more.

Destinia
03-14-2011, 01:35 PM
Just a update about my healing..still having the worst time i have given up 100% on healing and i miss it so much, i think im going to finish lvling my pally to 85 and try healing with her, we shall see how that goes if anyone hears anything good about disc priest and if we will ever get fixed please let me know!!!!

Magorio
04-10-2011, 11:04 AM
Ok, so I was shadow stubbornly FOREVER. Ive never been a real good healer.

However here is something ive learned in Cata that has saved me from barely having to heal much at all and save me from going OOM like a dream.

Seems Cata wants people to concentrate on Curses, Poisons, Debuffs etc..

Granted we cant decurse, and we cant get rid of poisons. We can however Cure and Dispell.

There are many fights (trash mobs included) where someone gets a magic debuff or a disease that you can dispell or cure and if you read the tooltip its usually something like "takes 10k nature damage every 5 sec" or "reduces health by %50" and my favorite "reduces all healing taken by %99" by curing or dispelling these debuffs you will save yourself and the rest of the party ALOT of headache.

This is usually why DPS who is standing next to you will be taking heavy damage and never understand why.

Dispelling these debuffs from DPS classes will most certainly help because you wont have to panic and flash heal them and then panic and flash heal the tank cause you stopped healing him and now hes down to %25. And dispelling from the tank is easy peasy since you have him targeted already.

Things like static cling are obvious. But others are not so plainly obvious. And most healers first train of thought is to not dispell or cure since it takes up a GD and precious healing time. Trust me. A cure on that disease just saved you from having to heal another 50k hp.

Now this isnt going to completely solve the issue of our mana pools sucking, not having many instant casts for when we need to keep a dying tank up but also have to run out of the fire and it certainly wont make your tank any better (thats what shields are for) BUT I promise you if this is not something you have taken into consideration or if its something you are NOT doing. DO IT. Youll thank me later.

Magorio
04-10-2011, 11:14 AM
Oh ya, and I forget the 5 man its in, but there is a magic debuff that actually damages you when you move. Something like 50k for every few seconds of movement. This one is killer since most DPS have been conditioned to move around to avoid "the fire" and every elf in every group ive ever been in just love to run around and do flips while trying to kill the mob.- Most people have no clue about this debuff as every group ive randomed with and told are like "wow thats so neat, I didnt know that"....dispelling this turns the fight from a multi target healing hell fest, to an easy time healing just the tank.

And do your party a favor in the DPS department by dispelling those nasty debuffs from pets and such. Poor pets get no love.

Magorio
04-10-2011, 11:27 AM
Just a update about my healing..still having the worst time i have given up 100% on healing and i miss it so much, i think im going to finish lvling my pally to 85 and try healing with her, we shall see how that goes if anyone hears anything good about disc priest and if we will ever get fixed please let me know!!!!

Don't give up Destinia. Things get MUCH better as you get better gear and better groups. Everyone wants to blame the heals but its just as easy that DKs fault for trying to top the DPS charts and pulling aggro off of everything. Also keep in mind the other class that helps you get through the dungeon, the tank class, has also gone through major changes as well. Building and holding aggro are very hard for lower leveled tanks, as well as damage mitigation (since parry and dodge and block are now rare if not completely gone stats from gear) once you hit 85 and then break the 340 ilvl mark things start to get much easier. Granted I still get the occasional crap group with the tank in PvP gear or less than 120k hp, but now and again I get the dream group where everyones ilvl is around 340, the tank knows what hes doing, everyone knows the fight and people care more about getting though to the next boss and MUCH MUCH less about who is topping the DPS charts.

If you armory Magorio youll see I dont even have very good healing gear (actually pretty crappy even, no gems in my slots and no reforged items...and the ones that are gemmed and forged are from my DPS set.) yet I manage to do pretty well, especially in a group with 2 or more guildies.

When your tank is a honest to god tank that knows the mechanics of the fight, and when your DPS is trying to help the group and the healer by using FD, vanish, fade etc. things go very very smoothly.

You can usually tell how good your group is on the first pull of most dungeons. The first pull always seems to be a little rough, if no one is CCing and you wipe on the first pull...leave or get proactive (not the pimple cream) and tell people to CC and focus fire one target.

Also a real good way to get the healing mechanics down is to stick it out in regs even though your ilvl says you can do heroics. If you have a guild standard or a rep tabbard, wear it and try and get some of the epics from rep vendors. A well practiced well geared priest can carry a group much like a crazy over geared tank can.

Anyways...ill stop blabbing on and no for now. Mostly cause I need to go buy a game card.

Destinia
04-11-2011, 09:14 AM
Thank you Magorio I may try to do some more regular instances, cant hurt anything at all :) I def miss healing with my priest it was always my fav class. What made me finally give up was i was healing Herioc Halls of Org and on that 1st boss by the 2nd time jumping down and hitting the switches i was oom and had tried to pop my hymn to get mana back but those damn snakes kept getting me and then the whole grp just disbanned in the middle of the fight,just made me feel fail lol but ill give it another shot thanks again :)

Magorio
04-11-2011, 07:38 PM
Ya that is an odd fight for healing ive found. TBH I think its everyone elses job to get down there and get those switches and handle the snakes. The tank should still be tanking the snakes, and someone with AOE should be killing em dead..too many times I see the tank hit the switch while a mage tries to DPS and TANK the snakes.

And if no one says anything about where to jump down before the fight, just tell people "All left, then all right"

I'm stubborn though and still jump down to fear the snakes to help a bit. However I don't think thats very smart of me and Ive lost a few tanks to being OOM trying to keep the tank and party alive.

Also I haven't done it myself but I see other healers stay up top and heal people from above. Not sure what kind of things happen up there, but it might be worth trying.. >_< don't come back here and yell at me if you try and get one shotted by that song he sings (its Friday by J Black isnt it?)

Its really kind of disappointing that Holy Nova has no place in that part of the fight.

Just last night I finally went and reforged my DPS gear to be better suited for healing as I got called into a BOT trash run. I changed anything (except haste) into spirit and if it couldn't be changed to spirit it got changed to haste, and holy smokes was I blown away. I've always shied away from raiding as a healer as I never felt comfortable enough but after stacking all that spirit and haste i'm having a MUCH better time keeping a decent mana pool, even in the heroics.

I think you said already that youve done all you can to reforge into those stats, and others have already suggested so I apologize for repeating things.

I've also broken down and finally watched some YouTube vids of some of the harder fights (I'm also stubborn in that regard. I tend to shy away from things that take the immersion factor out of the game, ventrillo, WoWhead, Mods, etc...) but its hard to deny how much they help. One watch of the Steelbender fight and I knew not only what I had to do as healer, but what everyone else had to do and it helped me anticipate surprise damage spikes.

Sorry if my advice is kinda nubish, I am still learning myself and just giving tips on things i've noticed myself trying to avoid the same pitfalls you all are facing too.

Destinia
04-19-2011, 08:46 AM
Not nubish at all!!!!! Trust me any advice i can get that will help me get back into my healer i will gladly take!! If i get that instance again i may try to stand up top on the ramp i dont think it does anything that far back just if you stand in the area with the boss...i may also give holy a shot seems like they have a easier time keeping everyone up, i noticed there really arent that many disc priest when i get randoms anymore so idk it maybe time for me to try something new!! Thanks again so much for your advice and ill def give you a update on whats going on!!!!

leethaxor
04-19-2011, 10:24 AM
No what heals are best for party healing (as holy)

Your holy word (single target) is your most mana efficient heal, keep it on CD on the tank. Have enough haste (12.5%) to have renew5 (5 ticks of renew per cast). Then just stay in single target chalk and drop heals on the tank while weaving in holy word AND gheal as needed.

For party damage. CoH heals for more then PoH, but distance limitations come into play. So be careful. Binding heal is very handy in large damage scenarios binding heal tank, then PoH with serenity is quite the boost.

Destinia
04-25-2011, 04:18 PM
Well I tried healing again...and I'm not doing to awful! Healed heroic throne of tides today which i know isnt the worst one out there, but did it with no wipes and got a nice offhand which a elemental shammy tried to need roll against me grrrr lol but im going to keep trying to heal and see if it stays nice like this..ty all for all the information and advice!!!

Theotherone
04-26-2011, 01:39 PM
Gratz.

H ToT gives me fits; not that the damage is that tough, it's that the dps is that stupid. Staying out of green stuff on the big adds, avoiding the water spouts on the first boss and staying out of the black stuff on the floor (while burning the adds around Neptulian and not the big adds being kited) on the last boss all seem like very difficult concepts to the average dps.

Destinia
05-02-2011, 07:13 AM
Gratz.

H ToT gives me fits; not that the damage is that tough, it's that the dps is that stupid. Staying out of green stuff on the big adds, avoiding the water spouts on the first boss and staying out of the black stuff on the floor (while burning the adds around Neptulian and not the big adds being kited) on the last boss all seem like very difficult concepts to the average dps.

I guess im a mean healer..cause i smooth tell ppl you stand in the green stuff knowing you have to move i refuse to heal you threw it. Now the other day i was doing h grim batol and the 1st boss was giving me issues and it wasnt me im sure, the fact that all the troggs were kicking my ass cause tank wouldnt get them off of me and dps wouldnt attempt to help either, needles to say after the 3rd wipe from me getting killed 1st i left. Other then that im enjoying healing again and its nice to see my mana pool not dieing after every trash pull :)

Magorio
05-09-2011, 08:59 AM
Im starting to see the benefits of Leap of Faith and Body and Soul. Especially in ZG pugs. I swear they made that encounter to make holy priests pro at Leap. So many times Ive pulled people out of that green stuff in ToT.

-I have to ask, even though I know this isnt the proper place - Is there a mod available that enables me to create 1 big button (or more) that I can move around and scale? Id love to make one giant Leap Of Faith button.-

So another tip for people reading this with mana issues.

There always seems to be a down town in damage in most fights, a moment where you get to stop healing (even if its just for a second ) I use this time to send out my Shadowfiend and pop Hymn of Hope. HoH gives you a intellect increase buff that lasts about 8 seconds. With this buff up the shadowfiend will generate more mana per tick than without the buff and youll get a nice bit of mana from HoH itself. (plus all mana users in your group will get a nice bit of regen not to mention the increase in spell power and crit.)

Even if you only have enough time to HoH for a few seconds and not the entire channel, its still better than nothing.

Also if youre an Engineer you can use Synapse Springs in the same manner to get more intellect regen out of your shadowfiend. And of course Springs+HoH+Fiend = OP

Bloodsolice
06-03-2011, 08:06 AM
Well hopefully by now your healing fine with the buffs to disc in the latest patch. If your having problems still here is my stratagy for healing. as the tank pulls use PW: Shield followed by Prayer of Mending, next watch for him to drop then cast pennance then start spamming your greater heal until you can cast shield and PoM again.. rinse and repeat. for longer fights I will use my shadow fiend and my trinket (core of ripeness) to restore mana. watch for needed dispells (careful in ZA/ZG) there are ones there that are needed for the fights. if you are in a large pull dont be afraid to cast a cooldown if needed such as prayer or hymm, also use your pain suppression when needed, usually on big pulls after your initial PW:S and PoM. fist thing to buy with valor is the trinket core of ripeness will save you over and over, and also get the Darkmoon card: Tsunami if you can.

Destinia
06-06-2011, 01:31 PM
I'm not doing to awful anymore i think i have gotten it figured out. I did make a HUGE boo-boo tho, i was so desperate to get into ZA/ZG heroics that i bought the valor cloak and just took that sea star trinket with the spirit from TOT, i mean im still doing good on heals so its not hurting to bad but yes my next valor item will be the trinket. Also another boo-boo im doing i keep using flash of light but im not draining my mana and it is much faster then greater heal so that is a plus and a minus cause i know it does not nearly heal for as much.

NewfieDave
06-06-2011, 02:27 PM
I'm quite "meh" on Core of Ripeness for Disc, and never bothered to purchase one. By the time I had finished purchasing all the other VP gear I wanted, I already had Tsunami and the Doll from archaeology. I won't replace either until we've got heroic Cho'gall and Sinestra down.

The VP cloak is a wise investment for Disc, as the only upgrade comes from heroic V&T. The VP ring is another great choice. My first purchase was the T11 chest, as it's part of my ideal Disc 4pc set and can only be purchased through points. Plus, chest pieces are a great thing to upgrade due to the effect of ilvl scaling on slots with larger amounts of stats. Going from a 346 chest to a 359 gives +39 intellect. Upgrading 346 boots to 359 boots gives +28 intellect, and a 346 wand upgraded to 359 yields only +12 intellect.

Destinia
06-13-2011, 02:59 PM
Yeah im slowly lvling my arch in hopes of the trinket, working on getting t11 gear now :) good to know that wasnt to much of a boo boo lol thanks for all advice

Magorio
06-14-2011, 02:16 AM
eh go for it, treat yourself and get the trinket. Youve been collecting slow VPs this long you deserve something. When you get into raids VPs will come much more quickly and THEN you can decide what to start saving for. The ring is a good idea as well since you can use it in both healing and dps specs.

Flash heal is great and all but its an emergency heal imo. You may be able to use it now, but if you get into the habit of using it, youll find yourself having to change up what youre doing now. I cast heal ALOT. Its my main spell. Every now and then ill toss in a flash heal or two, proc the faster heal on Greater Heal, use it and go back to Heal.

Seriously tho if youre spamming flash with no issues then youve got some great regen. Just dont get used to it.

Also the star trinket is nice, however I found that the Blood of Isiet and then Tear of Blood were two of the greatest trinkets ever. I would work on getting both of those into your slots while youre trying to get the VP trinket. Blood of Isiet is just badass (for the level of course)

Magorio
06-14-2011, 11:10 PM
Oh BTW I got that backwards...TEAR OF BLOOD I think is the better of the two. Esp for the intel.

Destinia
06-19-2011, 10:41 PM
Awesome thanks!!! Yeah my regen isnt bad at all right now, i still have mana left at the end of boss fights in the new heroics which is good unless its a horrible grp then i find myself having to use my fiend and hymn of hope. I got the darkmoon intell card and still using the sea star unless i find a better upgrade, my healing rotation now is bubble of course (since mana is so high on it the only person that gets it is tank or if im doing the bear boss in za then whoever is fixing to take the hit gets it cause it causes no damage to be taken i love that) prayer of mending my penance then my flash of heal or greater healer with i use inner focus, i also use my prayer of healing with power infusion and i got love that, specialy since now it gives divine ageis to everyone that it heals. I'm def loving my priest again since i have gotten better gear and my rotation is a lot nicer there for a while 1 trash pull would put me oom and i think my regen is over 2k in combat maybe 2400ish i dont think thats to awful

aresius
06-21-2011, 03:56 AM
My general advice to healers with problems is to keep in mind that healing and tanking changed since Wotlk. In wotlk healers were used to spam their strongest, fastest heal to top everyone off asap, or they would die. In cata increased health pools and lower mana regeneration suggests healers are meant to use the health buffer of their tanks/raid. Your not supposed to top the tank off as soon as he takes 30K dmg. go casting a cheap heal and use CDs every now and then to keep everyone up. Atm i can keep a tank up in ZA/ZG just spamming heal and using flash heal only when it procs (im holy, thats a 6% chance or so).
Flash heal is a emergency spell at best, at least for holy priests.

Magorio
06-21-2011, 10:52 AM
So really. With my gear in the 356 range, is 9k avg HPS with around %20 overhealing at all decent? I thought so until recently, and im starting to doubt my abilities at this point. Ive been through BWD and BoT a few times, most recently without anyone dying after the encounter (except Chim of course) I always need inervates and mana totems...still. I did think all this was semi normal for Holy.

Odd thing is I can pull 13k numbers on Chim and still have the same if not easier time holding mana than other fights,

And to Aresius. In raids its one thing, but I tend to lose too many DKs to crazy damage spikes to let them anywhere near %75 HP in 5 man runs. >_<