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CD82
10-24-2010, 05:53 PM
hey folks i have a level 40 protection human pally. his name is Coolpally hes on Ravencrest and i have a few questions. and i need some tips and hints hopefuly i came to the right place


anyway im new to tanking pretty much and i need some ideas.

first of all my rotation is Avengers Shield judgement consecration holy wrath and hammer of righteous.

is that a good roatation or is it to big?

where should i start tanking

i dont want to get into a random and upset a bunch of people. but ive got to learn some how what whould be the best way to do this?

what should i pull first?

what sword should i use i know a shiled and ive got it
i need a good one hander a fast one the shield im using is Vigilant Buc.kler right now i have a slow one handed axe named Butchers Slicer.

any helpful tips whould be greatly apperciated

Kurtosis
10-24-2010, 06:54 PM
Disclaimer: I'm not a pally expert. I LFG leveled a my prot pally from 40 to 72 during patch 3.5.x, then from 72 to 74 during 4.0.1. I may have some of the details of what abilities hit harder than others off, but this should help you with the general idea. Pally experts welcome to add corrections.

first of all my rotation is Avengers Shield judgement consecration holy wrath and hammer of righteous.

is that a good roatation or is it to big?
That sounds fine, although there are two kinds of pulls and your rotation should change slightly depending on which you're doing: group of mobs, single mob (usually a boss).

Group: start with the highest dmg AoE first - AS, Hammer of Righteous, Holy Wrath, Consecration, then Judgement. Then repeat HotR till you get 3 Holy Power, then Shield of the Righteous.

Single Target: start with highest dmg single target abilities first - AS, Crusader Strike (or Judgement first if the boss isn't in CS range yet), Judgement, Holy Wrath, Consecration. Repeat CS till 3 Holy Power, then Shield of the Righteous.

Regarding Shield of the Righteous, you actually want to use it the first time each pull as soon as you get 1 Holy Power in order to activate Holy Shield to reduce the dmg you're taking. But after that, try save SotR till you have 3 Holy Power.

where should i start tanking
Go out in the world and solo groups of mobs until you get your abilities into your muscle memory. Try higher level ones for more challenge. After you've got your abilities in your muscle memory, then just use the LFG tool for random dungeons. It's the green button in the game menu bar (says Dungeon Finder or something like that).

i dont want to get into a random and upset a bunch of people. but ive got to learn some how what whould be the best way to do this?
Every tank goes through that at the start. The best way to get over that hump is to start tanking earlier in the game, at lower levels, when the fights are not complex and easier to handle. lvl 40 is a good time to jump in.

what should i pull first?
Kill the casters first, eg the mobs with blue mana bars. I find it helpful to use the Keybindings menu to bind Raid Target Skull and Raid Target X to two unused mouse buttons, so I can mark the kill order of each pull. Skull and Cross almost always go over the caster mobs.

Also, learn how to pull a group of mobs toward you, so that when they get low on health they can't run over to nearby buddies and aggro a whole new group. Two ways to do this:

Line of Sight (LOS): Hit the group with AS, then run back around the corner, hide behind a wall or something so the mobs can't see you. If something substantial like a wall is blocking their view of you, they can't hit you with spells or ranged and have to move closer to unblock their view b/f they can hit you. Just wait around the corner till they get near, then pop Consecration so they run through it as they come around the corner, then start your regular AoE rotation.

Make sure to tell the DPS and healers not to start dps and healing till the mobs have run around the corner and are grouped up on you, or they'll aggro the mobs and ruin your LOS attempt. Better yet, have the dps and healers wait around the corner with you.

Silence the Caster: Since you don't get the talent that makes Avenger's Shield silence casters till around lvl 60 or 70 (Shield of the Templar), you can't do this yet. But usually if you silence casters for a few seconds, they'll run over to you to melee you instead, putting them into your AoE range along with the melee mobs.

In both cases, the idea is to move the entire group of mobs further away from other mobs groups near them. That way, when they get low on health, freak out, and try to run away, there will be less chance they'll run over to a group of their buddes, aggro it, and all 5 of their buddies come running over and wipe your group. Instead they'll just run away harmlessly while your ranged dps finishes them off.


what sword should i use
While you're leveling just use the highest DPS weapon you can find, and don't worry too much about weapon speed.

Fast weapons used to be preferred so you can Alt-Tab between the mobs you're tanking, hitting each one once or twice to build threat, then moving on to the next. That also restored mana and/or health faster depending on what Seal and Judgement you were using. I'm not sure if that's still the case, but in my experience weapon speed doesn't matter much while leveling, weapon DPS is much more important.

CD82
10-24-2010, 07:50 PM
i dont have shiled of the righteous yet

maybe my build isnt right could yall check that out ??

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Ravencrest&cn=Coolpally&group=2

also what glyphs shuld i need?

Kurtosis
10-24-2010, 11:01 PM
Build looks fine. For glyphs, definitely Hammer of the Righteous (Prime). The rest you'd have to ask another pally expert on. I went with Crusader Strike/Shield of the Righteous for Primes, Aescetic Crusader/Hammer of Wrath/Divinity for Majors (or Holy Wrath in place of Divinity for instances with lots of elementals & Dragonkin, like Dire Maul and Black Rock Spire (if you go there instead of straight to Outlands).

The rule of thumb I've used when leveling my tanks is to choose talents and glyphs that:

1. First and foremost increase the damage (hence threat) I deal.
2. That increases my survivability (either by increasing the amount of dmg I can absorb, or by decreasing the amount that my target mob deals, or by increasing healing effects on me).
3. Finally, pick ones that increase or conserve rage/runes/mana (can't do threat if you're OOM). For example, Reckoning is nice that respect since it gives you more weapon swings, and at least one of a Pally's seals (Insight) generates both healing and mana when you hit with your weapon.

Sometimes you have make tradeoffs between talents that increase your AoE or single target threat, like you're currently doing with Hallowed Ground and Wrath of the Lightbringer. There's no right answer to that, you just have to pay attention during your runs to how well you hold aggro on groups of mobs or on bosses. If you're losing aggro on either, you might need to respec or reglyph to compensate.

There are other talents that provide some convenience, like Improved Hammer of Justice, and would be nice to have but not necessary, and not at the expense of any talents from #1, #2, or #3 above. I don't take those.

CD82
10-24-2010, 11:54 PM
thanks for the help so far

now as far as rotations god ive got a nother question concerning them

is there really a set rotation ? or if i find something that works better could i use it??

also is deadly boss mods good to use or is there something better??

is there any kind of tanking addons? to maybe help me get more in the door of tanking ?

also it seems to me blacksmithing has gone down hill now that you cant do armorsmith or weapons

what whould be a good profession ive got mining as one

Banterloft
10-25-2010, 08:39 AM
Honestly leveling as a pally you could ret tank most instances. You won't hone your skills until late BC dungons and leveling thru wrath. I'm on ravencrest as well. Shoot me a tell and I will help where I can. My mains are Tegid, Skrood, and Hershel.

CD82
10-25-2010, 11:28 AM
alright i will most def give you a shout on there thanks.

CD82
10-25-2010, 04:10 PM
Honestly leveling as a pally you could ret tank most instances. You won't hone your skills until late BC dungons and leveling thru wrath. I'm on ravencrest as well. Shoot me a tell and I will help where I can. My mains are Tegid, Skrood, and Hershel.

ive heard other people tell me this in chat on the game. now please forgive me how hwould i go about doing this?
any certian rotation whould be be eaiser to learn pulling ?

Kurtosis
10-25-2010, 04:18 PM
is there really a set rotation ? or if i find something that works better could i use it??
There used to be a rotation, but as of the 4.0 patch it seems like there's more of a priority system in which you try to use your hardest hitting abilities as soon as they come off cooldown. Ref my group and single target rotations in first post.

also is deadly boss mods good to use or is there something better??
It's certainly useful to start playing with addons and macro's earlier than later, so knock yourself out. When you hit 80 you'll have built up an UI and interface that really work for you.

Having said that, I don't recall if Deadly Boss Mods has all the lower level 5-man dungeons in it or not. If not, also check out Big Wigs and Deus Vox Encounters (DXE). They're good boss mods too.


is there any kind of tanking addons? to maybe help me get more in the door of tanking ?
There is only one I can't live without - Tide Plates: Threat Plates (http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=14984). It colors mob nameplates green, yellow, or red depending on your threat (green = you have high threat on that mob, yellow = you're losing threat, red = you've lost threat and need to taunt or something). Use the Beta version linked on that page for WoW 4.0.x.

A threat meter like Omen or Skada is nice to have too, though you can get by with just Threat Plates.


also it seems to me blacksmithing has gone down hill now that you cant do armorsmith or weapons
The value in Blacksmithing is its ability to add 2 extra jewel sockets to your gear, that you can put any kind of gem in. For tanks it's almost always Stam, but say you're really low on hit rating and are losing aggro because of that, you can add extra hit rating gems instead. Combine that with Jewelcrafting and you've got the two most flexible professions.

what whould be a good profession ive got mining as one
While you're leveling it's more important to make gold, so just got with mining/skinning or mining/herbalism till 85. Save all your ore in the bank, or in your alts' banks, auction all the herbs/skins. Then at 85 use all the gold and ore you collected to powerlevel Jewelcrafting and/or Blacksmithing using a profession powerleveling guide on the internet (google it, lots of em out there).

Kurtosis
10-25-2010, 04:22 PM
ive heard other people tell me this in chat on the game. now please forgive me how hwould i go about doing this?
any certian rotation whould be be eaiser to learn pulling ?
You could, just make sure you have Righteous Fury active so your all abilities do more threat.

But imho it's better to level as Prot so you'll know Prot well at 80. If you level as Ret to, say, 58, then switch to Prot when you get to Outlands (where your ability to tank as Ret ends, iirc), you'l have 18 more levels worth of abilities, talent, and playstyle to learn. And it's not like Prot is harder than Ret, it's not. Tanking is harder than dps regardless which spec you're doing it with.

It's very nice to have a fellow Tankspotter on your realm to ping with questions and whatnot.

Kurtosis
10-25-2010, 04:37 PM
PS - Don't forget to read all the Tankspot guides (http://www.tankspot.com/forumdisplay.php?200-TankSpot-s-Critical-Guides-amp-Articles-Library) and watch the tanking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmOPuziOWuA) videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf1pWQhJdhQ&feature=channel), they're hugely helpful.

CD82
10-25-2010, 06:00 PM
ok another question i have an it leaves me kind of qurious. i had the pally rested for about two weeks non played. kept him in dal or in sw i been playin him but not hard. i rested him saturday didnt play much yesterday and i was in a random. tonight and lost my rested xp fast like. for some reason im not keeping rested xp like i should

Kurtosis
10-25-2010, 08:19 PM
I don't know if that's working as intended or not, best I can do is point you to wowwiki.com's page (http://www.wowwiki.com/Rest) on the topic. Maybe some useful info there.

CD82
10-25-2010, 09:19 PM
well i tanked my first dungeon it was maraudon. no one died and they said i did ok. i did loose threat some so ill have to work on that. and im also looking for more plater armor along the way. im happy with the way it turned out

Kurtosis
10-26-2010, 07:33 PM
Great, sounds like you're already ahead of the game. I LFG leveled a healer recently and there are a decent number of new tanks at those lower levels that have alot of trouble with it. Gj, gl!

CD82
10-30-2010, 02:40 PM
well my laptop hard drive crashed which had my build i was going buy on it. so that really pisses me off im lost on my build now also had my ret build saved. and all that good stuff i dunno now what i should do.

Kurtosis
10-30-2010, 08:00 PM
Your build? You mean your addons and UI arrangement? If you mean your talent build, just use wowhead (http://wowhead.com/) or MMO Champion (http://wowtal.com/) to re-remember it.

If you mean your addons and UI design, only advice I an offer is to start over, try to remember the addons you lost, and recreate them. Then save your WTF folder to a free Dropbox.com account in case this happens again.

CD82
10-30-2010, 10:50 PM
my talent build i had an armory saved and it was in the favs on that hard drive. i think i remebr some of it though

CD82
10-30-2010, 11:53 PM
im also in search of a good dps weapon one hander any suggestions?

Kurtosis
10-31-2010, 11:29 PM
I don't know any off the top of my head, but Wowhead has a great filter search (http://www.wowhead.com/items=2) feature. It lets you search through all the 1h weapons in the game, and narrow them down by the level required to use them, quality (green, blue, purple), and other characteristics.

CatabriOnEarthen
11-01-2010, 06:05 AM
i dont want to get into a random and upset a bunch of people. but ive got to learn some how what whould be the best way to do this?

Don't be scared. Just macro "New tank, please be patient." Pop the macro when everyone has zoned in, and proceed at YOUR pace. If the dps is antsy, that's their issue. Just remember that once the dungeon is done, you get a relatively instant queue and they have a wait. If you get a good group, keep running together. (Example: I'm a piss poor healer. Well, I was. Now, I'm pretty good at it, (on my druid, who I leveled basically resto in LFG), and unless tanks are being dumb (an increasing number, now that I'm in Northrend and level 77), we make it thru. If something happens, I remind the tank that I'm not a 6k geared druid, and I don't play one on TV. I remember a DK tank pulling the entire front room in UK, taking twice his health in damage in 2 seconds and then blaming me. The rest of the group was pretty quick to call him an ass.

To work on threat generation, I tend to grab my hubby and my kid and wander into the wilds and tell them to go ***** to the wall, while I taunt back, and try to maintain threat.

Any thing w/ a mana bar or that casts fear should be killed first. After that (there's an after?) most stuff is already dead.

CD82
11-01-2010, 08:42 PM
last night i had a fail as i feel it i was tanking a random. with my aunt a hunter and my uncle a shammy as dps. there was a priest healer i think and a rouge as dps. well he decided to try an run the show. i lost aggro alot to him and my aunts pet. she said i never lost aggro but it kept saying losing aggro on my screen. she had a dino as a pet i told her it wasnt a good pet to run in a random. i dont know but all i know is hunters need to control there pets

is there any suggestions to issues such as thease?

Exiledknight
11-02-2010, 10:08 AM
The best fixes for threat are to work on your rotation and ensure your spec is correct. Unfortunately at your level you do not have full access to the whole bag of tricks, ensure you are following this rotation

HoR/CS, x, HoR/CS, x, HoR/CS, ShoR

HoR/cs= Hammer of the righteous or crusader strike, use HoR on multi targets and CS for single.
x= Judgement, Avenger's Shield, Holy Wrath, Consecrate- use whatever is off cooldown in the order listed

Also What glyph slots are available to you? I.e. how many prime, how many major

I would reccomend hands down to get glyph of hammer of the righteous it will be a significant boost to your aoe threat.

CatabriOnEarthen
11-02-2010, 01:00 PM
last night i had a fail as i feel it i was tanking a random. with my aunt a hunter and my uncle a shammy as dps. there was a priest healer i think and a rouge as dps. well he decided to try an run the show. i lost aggro alot to him and my aunts pet. she said i never lost aggro but it kept saying losing aggro on my screen. she had a dino as a pet i told her it wasnt a good pet to run in a random. i dont know but all i know is hunters need to control there pets

is there any suggestions to issues such as thease?

Losing aggro is not the same as lost aggro. Make sure she had "growl" turned off. She can run any pet she wants. As for the rogue, jerkwad dps is jerkwad dps.

CD82
11-02-2010, 02:28 PM
i ment by losing aggro that i lost it sorry i didnt specifiy


as for glyphs i have 1 prime and 1 major and 1 minor to use now in my prime glyph.
i do have hammer of the righteous
and in the major i have holy wrath and nothing in the minor

so my rotation should be this ?
for multi targets it should be HoR/C S judement? then AS HW and Con

other problems im havingi s mana issues and recharge issues of the spells

sifuedition
11-02-2010, 04:53 PM
Your first priority is Shield of the Righteous...however, only when you have three holy power. That means three Hammer of the Rigteous or three Crusaders Strikes because the are the only abilities that build holy power. The share a cooldown so you can only use one or the other. Just swap them depending on single target or multiple-target. They also have a cd longer than the global cooldown. Do not, for example, press crusader strike and then wait for it to be ready again. Always use another ability between each one.

Single target
Cs- judge - cs - as - cs - sotr - (start over) cs - etc

The cs stays and sotr stay. The ones in between (judge/as) will just depend on what's available.

Cs or hotr should be every second ability. Sotr should be used on every three holy power. Other than that, it's awareness of what you need most and what is not on cd.

CD82
11-30-2010, 05:57 PM
ok well im back to playing my pally some more. level 61 i have not tried tanking anymore been trying to level. what are some good weapons i could use at this level range and also some armor. the glyphs i have prime are SOT and HOTR major are lay on hands and holy wrath and the minor is blessing of the might now i seen the skull flame shield but its a pain to get any other suggestions? what about one hander weapon now? here is my armor link http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&cn=Coolpally

Chasey
12-01-2010, 02:18 PM
CD82, I love the enthusiasm but don't overthink this. Right now everyone is learning the class. No offense here but lots of what you are asking can be figured out via trial and error. If you make a mistake no one will die, you just start over and move on. If it was your fault say sorry and keep pulling. Also You are leveling currently, hop in a 5 man and tank....that is how you learn. I've done a blog about it and many others have as well. Just TANK...that is how you learn. While questions are great learning on the fly will teach you more than 10 peoples opinions will ever.

As for losing threat, make sure you mark the kill order in a group of more than a few. That way most the DPS knows what you want them to do. At lower levels people are just trying to kill groups fast some are new to the game some are new to the class.

As for weapon, go with the best one you can. No need at this point to seek one out. Str and agi based weapons both offer some threat (agi = crit and dodge) and (str = ap and parry) as for the build, there is no perfect build right now at lower levels, hell there is no perfect build at 80 either...lol

Careful w/conc on smaller packs of mobs. Its a huge mana hog and HotR and Holy Wrath work well for AoE pulls. Rested Xp will go away fast in an instance you are killing mobs in huge pulls fast.

Also, go back and level your professions, mining = stam and eng will get you a nice helm or two in the very near future.

BTW gear looks great, in nagrand there is a quest that will net you a pretty nice tanking weapon in the next level or two.

CD82
12-01-2010, 05:04 PM
ok as i stated i have not done any tanking anymore right now. just trying to level him so i have not done any big pulls. but as soon as i walk out in a small fight i loose my rested xp. heck ive not even rany any randoms. since before 4.03 and when i do its bad luck. and when i do run a no one sticks together everyone goes hog wild. ive been working on my roation alot. and it does me well im using cs/judge/cs/as/cs/sotr an start over. seems to work out well on single targets. i have no big issues downing elites or mobs couple lvls higher than me. ive gotten some more glyphs and just got a decent pair of legs. i had mail legs untill yesterday. the helm i have is kinda poor but im working on that.

now i seen in a video where the guy was using the roatation i am. and he said ignore grand crusader when it pops up. is that true and if so why is that?


at level 62 my expertise is 13 when i got my buffs. is that ok or should it be a bit higher than that?