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Zrg
05-30-2010, 12:22 PM
I just hit 80 this week and i really need to know what gear i should focus on getting. I really don't know if I'm using the right gems. What should i be doing right now? I just need some help to get started.

Here is My Armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Spinebreaker&cn=Z%C3%BArg

I still trying to get all epic's, and i'm trying to find some tanking wrist, but i cant find any.

Thank You.:cool:

Gravy
05-30-2010, 12:43 PM
This is a quick skim. I'm sure someone will post a more in-depth analysis in an hour or so.

Enchants: You're probably already working on this, but enchant everything you can. (Refer to Agg's Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?60155-Agg-s-Prot-War-Tanking-Guide) if you need help on this)

Gemming: All of your gems should be Blue "Solid Zircons/Sapphires". The only places you shouldn't have +30 stam are your helm and anywhere you can get a +9 stamina socket bonus with one purple gem. (Aiming for +9 socket bonuses is a personal preference choice. You can skip this as long as you have a purple gem to activate your meta.)

Helm: 32 stam/2% armor for meta gem. Enchant it with Arcanum of the protector (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50369) .
Ring: I'd recommend picking up Clutch of Fortification (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47731) sometime soon.
Shoulders: Do a wintergrasp battle + weekly quests and use the 10k honor on: Inscription of the Gladiator (http://www.wowhead.com/item=44957).
Wrists: Look into Saronite Swordbreakers (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47571)

Zrg
05-30-2010, 12:47 PM
Thanks im going to swap out my gems right now. I dont any pvp gear, so should i still do wintergrasp? and imma try to get those wrist.

dgen
05-30-2010, 03:02 PM
Thanks im going to swap out my gems right now. I dont any pvp gear, so should i still do wintergrasp? and imma try to get those wrist.Yes, you should. The point of this was to get the honor for the 30 Stamina / 15 Resillience Shoulder enchant ASAP, it's our best-in-slot enchant for the Shoulder slot.

I'm going to be very brief, as I don't have much time to spare this morning (Australia, GMT+10, 7:30AM atm).

Use this spec (http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LAM00fZhZVItrx0didczsGo:cTiMmo) - it's the general 'cookie cutter' spec for Protection Warrior at the moment, and it's basically all you'll need to begin your tanking adventures; the only time I can see you possibly needing to change anything, would be whilst AoE tanking, and the change would be Glyph of Shield Wall to Glyph of Cleaving(let me know if you need an explanation as to why).

I'll briefly cover enchants; PM me via. these forums if you require a more in-depth explanation as to 'x' or 'y'.



* Helm - 37 Stamina / 20 Defense.
* Shoulders - 30 Stamina / 15 Resilience.
* Cloak - 225 Armor.
* Chest - 275 Health.
* Bracers - 40 Stamina.
* Gloves - 240 Armor OR Armsman IF threat is a problem(back to 240 Armor when it is not).
* Boots - Tuskar's Vitality. It's superior to 22 Stamina as the added mobility helps in EVERY situation.
* Weapon - Mongoose once you have a suitable weapon (one you'll use for a while) or Titanium Weapon Chain on crappier ones. Blood Draining is best in slot once you reach hard-modes or encounters where your health fluctuates (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fluctuates) a lot.
* Shield - 18 Stamina OR 20 Defense if you're having trouble reaching the 540 Defense cap(the cap is only 536 if you have the 30 Stamina / 15 Resilience Shoulder enchant).



Gemming; key - B = Blue / R = Red / Y = Yellow.

Gear with 1-2 gem sockets;



B Sockets = 30 Stamina.
R Sockets = 15 Dodge / 15 Stamina IF the socket bonus is equal to, or greater than +9 Stamina(this will be almost always, from what I've seen thus far).
Y Sockets = 30 Stamina.



Gear with 2-3 gem sockets;



B Sockets = 30 Stamina.
R Sockets = 30 Stamina.
Y Sockets = 30 Stamina.



I'll now briefly cover your possible-upcoming gearing choices and so fourth. This is just what I'd do, to save as much money as possible, whilst maximizing my tanking ability at the same time.



* Helm - this. (http://www.wowhead.com/item=49479)
* Neck - this. (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47305)
* Shoulders - T9 iLevel 245.
* Cloak - this. (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50466)
* Chest - T9 iLevel 245.
* Bracers - this. (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47571)
* Gloves - T9 iLevel 245.
* Belt - this. (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50991)
* Legs - this (http://www.wowhead.com/item=49904) - yes, this means you'll have to fork out ~ 8000G.
* Boots - this (http://www.wowhead.com/item=46997) - don't listen to anyone who tells you to get the crafted iLevel 264 Boots made, they are a waste of money, as they have 0 Defense, and you can't afford more than 1 piece without Defense whilst you're gearing up. Pillar's of Might is an exception as they are best-in-slot for this entire expansion.
* Rings - this (http://www.wowhead.com/item=49489) and this (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47731). This (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50375) is also very good in the Revered and Exalted versions, so be sure to pick that up once you begin doing ICC.
* Trinkets - this (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47290) is the only option I can think of off the top of my head. Glyph of Indomitability would be the trinket I'd usually suggest here, but you already have it, which made me smile - good choice!
* Weapon - this (http://www.wowhead.com/item=48044). The 232 version should suffice too, until you're ToGC10-viable. This is also our best-in-slot in terms of EHP, so don't ever get rid of it should you encounter a higher iLevel weapon.
* Shield - this. (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47260) Hands down easiest Shield to get your hands on, plus it's fairly decent.
* Ranged - this. (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50444) Cheap, and second best-in-slot. Do itttt.



Keep T9 iLevel 245 Shoulders & Gloves until you get T10 in those slots, as the 2pc T9 helps a lot with threat, especially in conjunction with Glyph of Devastate.

I realize two of the listed items are obtained via. Emblem of Frost, but there's honestly nothing that's substantially good in those slots prior to the mentioned items - and Emblems of Frost aren't necessarily 'hard' to come by, even if it's just 4/12 ICC 10, the raid weekly and daily heroic that you're running for them.

That's all I have time for my friend, I'll post more later if I get the chance.

As I always tell the authors of these threads, if you need anymore advice or help, be sure to PM me via. these forums or message me in-game on Xav - Jubei'thos. As long as I'm not doing arena, I should be free to help you out.

dgen
05-30-2010, 03:07 PM
Eeeep, I just couldn't help myself ..

Pickup Jewelcrafting and Leatherworking if you have the gold to spare, they're the best in terms of EHP, and the +70 resist enchants from Leatherworking help A LOT with fights like Anub'arak and Sindragosa / Lich King.

I realize you won't see the latter for quite some time, but it's still the same concept with other fights that have elemental (fire / frost / nature / shadow / arcane) damage as their main source of outgoing damage.

Okay, I'm logging now!

Hope this helps, take care. (:

Zrg
05-30-2010, 04:34 PM
Thanks. Im going to respec and get some new glyphs right now. I don't think they will let me into any raids with my gearscore right now. It's at 4366. I guess ill just keep doing heroics for now.

Zrg
05-30-2010, 05:35 PM
now that I replaced my defense rating gems with stam gems my def rating is only 524.
what should i do

Gravy
05-30-2010, 06:24 PM
now that I replaced my defense rating gems with stam gems my def rating is only 524.
what should i do

http://www.wowhead.com/item=50369 and http://www.wowhead.com/item=44957 if you haven't already

After that, do 6-7 random heroics and grab http://www.wowhead.com/item=47731

Zrg
05-30-2010, 07:06 PM
K thanks. I'll post here if i have another problem

Zrg
05-31-2010, 06:56 AM
Alright All got the 2 enchants and the ring. What should i go for now.

Platetank-123
05-31-2010, 07:56 AM
If i was you i would just start raiding some small raid's and still do randoms to farm emblems and in raids just need all the tank gear that is better than urs, when u doing that u will get slowly high enugh gs for some high raids and then it will just fly. you will get gear fast as warr tank. I self did it this way i got 5500+ atm in prot in fury 5282 or something. My armory is http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bronze+Dragonflight&cn=Platetank ... But just respeced from prot to arms, hope it helps =)

Zrg
05-31-2010, 09:57 AM
Am i geared enough to do ToC 10 Yet?

sifuedition
06-01-2010, 08:41 AM
wow-heroes.com

This is a nice site for checking your gear and also for seeing "What can I run?" If it's yellow, you can run with a good group. Any guild should be able to clear content if everyone is in the yellow for that content. For PuG'ing, being in the green is better because you will need more margin for error. If your skill is good enough, you can PuG in the yellow. Just expect some people to give you grief over your gear (they are wrong, but they will most likely win). Just make sure that you are doing what you can to be "right" with your gearing/gemming/enchanting.

Read Agg's guide in Theory and Mechanics called "Why We Do What We Do". This will explain WHY we stack stam. Stacking stam is not dumb unless you have no idea why. Usually, you will use one agil/stam or dodge/stam gem to activate your meta and everything else will be 30 stam. This is largely because we can't gem for armor so stam is the best there is. Agg's guide should give you an idea of the gear you will want too. After you have read that, you should know that Ick's Rotting Thumb is bad and The Black Heart is great, for example.

Also, look for a guide called "Gearing your Tank in LFD" also on this site. This is probably the best heroics BiS list currently. As for gear from raids, it is just a matter of taking what you can get. You need to be able to tell if a piece is an upgrade for you when it drops. That is why reading Agg's guide is important. You don't necessarily need to be able to do the math, just understand the results.

Griff
06-01-2010, 03:07 PM
Use this spec - it's the general 'cookie cutter' spec for Protection Warrior at the moment, and it's basically all you'll need to begin your tanking adventures; the only time I can see you possibly needing to change anything, would be whilst AoE tanking, and the change would be Glyph of Shield Wall to Glyph of Cleaving(let me know if you need an explanation as to why).

Admittedly I haven't been paying much attention to the latest and greatest with tanking lately but what's the deal with this spec?

What's the utility in 1/2 damage shield, especially for someone running a lot of heroics with multi-mob pulls? Same question applies to 4/5 toughness? 2% additional armor seems like a pretty good trade for 2/2 safeguard.

Is there something I'm missing?

dgen
06-01-2010, 05:28 PM
Admittedly I haven't been paying much attention to the latest and greatest with tanking lately but what's the deal with this spec?

What's the utility in 1/2 damage shield, especially for someone running a lot of heroics with multi-mob pulls? Same question applies to 4/5 toughness? 2% additional armor seems like a pretty good trade for 2/2 safeguard.

Is there something I'm missing?It's a max threat build, with added utility with less cooldown on a Warrior tanks' most reliable defensive cooldown, that is Shield Wall. Intervene is almost never used on other players as a defensive cooldown in normal situations(IE player not sucking and doing their job), it's more of a mobility ability in most cases(at least in my experience).

Edit: Apologies, the link in my original post must have cached from some retarded spec I was checking out at an earlier date, I spec this. (http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LAM00fZhZVItrx0didczsGo:cTiMmo)
Edit #2: OP updated & LOL, I am so sorry Zrg, you'll have to respec again and I see you've copied the spec I incorrectly posted the other day - sincerest apologies.

Thank you Griff. *facedesk*

dgen
06-01-2010, 05:35 PM
Am i geared enough to do ToC 10 Yet?Yes, you're almost geared enough to do ToGC10, to be honest. I did ToGC25 when I was in pre-Ulduar best in slots', with a few random Ulduar 10 & Emblem pieces.

I got smashed on Gormok, but with a boss Holy Paladin behind me I was able to tank Acidmaw and Lord Jaraxxus without much hassle.

You have to remember a lot of the questions you're asking are vastly dependent on the group itself, and the skill median (or general skill of the playerbase) of the realm you're based on.

For example, on Jubei'thos, it's not often that a ToGC10 pug clears the entire instance, and if they do it's rare that the group meet the requirements for A Tribute to Skill (between 25-44 attempts remaining) - whereas on a realm like Blackrock or Frostmourne, pugs quite frequently achieve A Tribute to Mad Skill (between 45-49 attempts remaining) or better(A Tribute to Insanity; 50 attempts remaining).

Hope this helps ya' out some - this is my last post for ~ 3 days or so, it's my nieces 11th today, so I'm busy with that + work. *cry*

Zrg
06-01-2010, 06:33 PM
Thank you all

SeptimX
06-01-2010, 07:42 PM
very nice, only a week and you have all 5pc tanking set item 232s...

some of my friends suggested getting only 4pc, just to obtain set bonus and save up some emblems for future use.
if you already have enough defense, capped at 540, i would suggest vit gems also. vit and hit gems are a personnal favorite.

and also suggested is to do some exalted reps with several northrend factions, those shoulder enchants, and headgear enchants are pretty handy. even the items that you could buy from their quartermasters are very helpful too.

i am sure you could do toc10 heroic, with the right group and strategy drilled into your group.

the first time i tried, impaler ok, but several wipes with acidmaw and his buddy...

Zrg
06-01-2010, 11:20 PM
yup same here septimX did it today got up to Anum'arak then we kept wiping, bad dps's though they wern't dodging the orbs. Check out my gear now just got new helm wrist, and gun.

Zrg
06-03-2010, 12:33 AM
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Spinebreaker&cn=Z%C3%BArg
How is my gear now? What gear should i go for? And what raids can i do?
Sorry for so many questions, but I just want to be doing the right stuff.
Thank You all.

Dreadski
06-03-2010, 04:10 AM
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Spinebreaker&cn=Z%C3%BArg
How is my gear now? What gear should i go for? And what raids can i do?
Sorry for so many questions, but I just want to be doing the right stuff.
Thank You all.

Change all gems but the ones in your legs to 30 stam, there's no need to match the bonuses for anything else. Also change your glove enchant to 18 stam or 240 armor as 2% threat is negligible and if your threat is bad it won't help you. Your belt needs a belt buckle so you can get a free 30 stam as well. Enchant chest for 275 hp and shield for 18 stam as you can safely drop to 536 defense with that shoulder enchant active.

Zrg
06-04-2010, 10:02 AM
Alright, im low on G right now, so i gotta save up for all the stam gems, ty for help.

Aggathon
06-04-2010, 10:37 AM
Also, you can get stam gems from emblems of triumph, stone keeper shards, and honor (and I guess sort of through arena points also if you really wanted to do that).

Zrg
06-05-2010, 12:27 PM
Also change your glove enchant to 18 stam or 240 armor as 2% threat is negligible and if your threat is bad it won't help you.
I cant find this enchant anywhere, i want the 18 stam one. Also could someone check out my armory http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Spinebreaker&cn=Z%C3%BArg i dont know if i used wrong enchants. Right now im at 438 Defense, but i have the shoulder enchant with resilience rating.

SeptimX
06-07-2010, 02:09 AM
ah, what gold, i seem to have too many holes in my pockets... hehehe... i'll have to raid somebody's pocket...
re-gemming to +30 stam = need more gold, or a very understanding JC friend who gave me 2 +30stam, 1 nightmare tear, and +stam earthsiege diamond...

looking at this Verdigris Chain Belt http://www.wowhead.com/item=50991 for first Frost Emblem purchase, i skipped the sentinel cloak for now.

Buy from AH, or from friend ( http://www.wowwiki.com/Enchantments_by_slot)
+240 armor on gloves = glove reinforcement, leather working...
+18 stam = heavy borean armor kit, leather working
+2% threat = Armsman enchant

also found that Frosthide Legarmor (+55stam +22 agi) on those pillars of might very good match.

and also you have 538 defense, not 438... :)

also, if i don't get any better drops, i'll probably emblem buy 2pc, of next armor set, just for added 2pc bonus...

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bonechewer&cn=Septimx

Zrg
06-08-2010, 12:17 AM
I really dont know what Frost item to purchase First, it's Between http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50466 and http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50991...
Should i Follow this guide http://www.tankingtips.com/2009/12/24/the-emblem-of-frost-pick-order/. Im really not sure.
Im at 48 Frost right now, and all raids reset tomorrow, so i think i could hit 60 frost tomorrow, with a daily heroic.
the cloak is 48 frost, and the belt is 60.

SeptimX
06-08-2010, 08:30 AM
for me, i am personally aiming for the belt, add eternal belt buckle, 3 gems slots = +90 stam...
51 frost for me, daily heroic or 2 when maintenance is finished, and just in time for my weekly = exactly 60 frost for the belt, hehehe...

cloak, i still make do with tattered castle drape a friend sent me... and am praying for a nice cloak drop when doing heroic dungeons and such...

breastplate of white knight, getting this made, enchanted with 275hp as soon as crusader orbs trickle in from friends, should tide me awhile
as i save up the gold to buy primordial saronite or simply buy icc kingly boots and pillars of might...

next frost emblem buy would either be the Helm or Shoulder, 2pc tier bonus if applicable, or simply pray for a good drop while farming dungeons etc...

dgen
06-08-2010, 11:59 AM
Niether of the previously mentioned items are 'make or break'. Take your pick.

The Belt is BiS for all-round EH, and you'll get all your Emblem of Frost iLevel 264 264 loot, including 4/5 Tier 10.5 (iLevel 264), before you even get close to the iLevel 277 Belt from Rotface (I mention this cause it's the only item that's comparable to the Emblem of Frost Belt) anyway - the decision can only be made based on personal preference.

Also, since I'm talking to both of you, in the one reply, it's even moreso individual based, in terms of both personal preference and what you currently have in that slot.Here's a bit of a challenge for you both, and don't take this the wrong way;

Before you reply here next, choose your next upgrade and gem / enchant it - I'm interested to see if any of what's been posted by the ~ 10 people in this thread has actually given you more of an insight on the Warrior design.

Good luck. :3

dgen
06-08-2010, 12:13 PM
for me, i am personally aiming for the belt, add eternal belt buckle, 3 gems slots = +90 stam...
51 frost for me, daily heroic or 2 when maintenance is finished, and just in time for my weekly = exactly 60 frost for the belt, hehehe...

cloak, i still make do with tattered castle drape a friend sent me... and am praying for a nice cloak drop when doing heroic dungeons and such...

breastplate of white knight, getting this made, enchanted with 275hp as soon as crusader orbs trickle in from friends, should tide me awhile
as i save up the gold to buy primordial saronite or simply buy icc kingly boots and pillars of might...

next frost emblem buy would either be the Helm or Shoulder, 2pc tier bonus if applicable, or simply pray for a good drop while farming dungeons etc...I've only just realized .. there's a goblin in the system(thread), chewin' on the wires(advice).

I don't mean to ruffle ya feathers here mate, but you're giving some pretty bad advice.

If you need help, feel free to make a threat in the "HALP! I need advice" thread too.

Since I have a bit of free time, I'll post some pointers here for you before I have to head off for work, in a completely random, and unordered fashion.



* Change your META to this. (http://www.wowhead.com/item=41380)
* Change your Shoulder enchant to this. (http://www.wowhead.com/item=44957) Read the previous pages for reasoning as to why.
* Change your Shoulder gem to +30 Stamina. Gemming Defense/Stamina in that slot was a silly choice, as you gain virtually nothing in terms of noticeable change.
* Enchant your Cloak with +225 Armor.
* Regem your Chest to +30 Stamina in both slots.
* Enchant your Chest with +275 Health.
* Change your Bracer enchant to +40 Stamina.
* Regem your Bracers to +30 Stamina in both slots.
* I won't comment on Gloves, but regardless of what your actual Gloves are, they should have +30 Stamina in them and be enchanted with either +18 Stamina or +240 Armor.
* Regem your Belt to +30 Stamina.
* Regem your Legs to +30 Stamina and +10 Dodge / +15 Stamina.
* Enchant your Legs with this. (http://www.wowhead.com/item=38373)
* Enchant your Shield with +18 Stamina.
* Enchant your Weapon with a Titanium Weapon Chain.



Respec to this. (http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LAM00fZhZVItrx0didczsGo:cTimMo) Your current spec is missing 3/3 Imp. Heroic Strike, which is quite a lot of threat whilst tanking in raids. You're also glyphed for Last Stand instead of Taunt, and you have next to no hit.

Edit: I haven't calculated anything yet, but if you're below 536 Defense after you change everything (if you do), re-enchant your Shield with +20 Defense and your Chest with +22 Defense. Like I said, only if you're below 536 Defense.

SeptimX
06-08-2010, 08:51 PM
dgen no offense taken, all your advice i'll be putting to good use, as soon as the emblems and gold trickle in. (and Drops too)

(imho: me posting in this thread, because i can relate to him, i don't want to waste space, posting my own thread, with everyone replying much the same thing, and having me go look for it under daily new threads of mostly the same topic again and again. :) )

basically, i am a 3week old tank, and just started posting and reading up here, especially agg's guide, to which i'll be following meticulously this coming days.
so am still in the process of re-gemming most of my gear (including the meta) to get more +30 stam and a nightmare tear that a friend donated, and the different enchants for them.

i was wearing my mining gloves running in outland when the server started 24hour maintenance...
but when i am tanking, defense is around 553, unbuffed for me.

Zrg
06-08-2010, 10:01 PM
Just got http://www.wowhead.com/item=50760 and http://www.wowhead.com/item=50991 today, gotta go farm so i can get some gold to fill in the gems slots. I will put a belt buckle on also. Since this is a weapon that will last me a while should i put a better enchant than Titanium Weapon Chain???? Ty

SeptimX
06-08-2010, 11:12 PM
good for you mate!

titanium weapon chain is by far the cheapest enchant you can buy from AH, my experience it averages bet 30 to 50 gold only. i craft and sell them at 40g

from Agg's guide:

I) Weapon Enchant:
This is a highly debated topic. The enchants are as follows:
Titanium Weapon Chain: 28 hit http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41976 (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41976)
Accuracy: 25hit/25crit http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44496 (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44496)
Mongoose: Proc of 120 Agi and small haste http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22559 (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22559)
Blade ward: Stackable Parry Buff Proc http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46027 (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46027)
Blood Draining: Stacks a buff that heals you if you drop below 35% http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46348 (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46348)

I personally would use: Mongoose for threat, Blade Ward for Avoidance, Blood Draining for EHP.

Blood Draining is a smart heal when you need it, in my opinion in a crisis situation where you drop below 35% health, it might as well be an extra temporary 4k EHP (the proc heals for about 2k HP). This is the EHP enchant. Mongoose has some value when it procs, but for warriors the uptime of Mongoose is too low for it to be useful imo. I don’t have a link to it, but for warriors Blade Ward is more avoidance than mongoose according to current theorycraft.

Some of this is up to debate and personal preference. I am a stack EHP proponent, so I say go with Blood Draining.

imho: the weapon i'll keep longer will get blood draining, to help me last in a long fight with new healer.
while my 2nd will probably get mongoose, and maybe help with trash mob control to boot...