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Tinytankz
04-20-2010, 06:41 AM
LFD Prot-Warrior Style

Hey guys tinytankz again this time with a guide to use and abuse that LFD tool to get your tank raid ready. This guide is for prot warriors but can be utilized by palidans and of course to a lesser extent DK's i dont want to bulk them in with warriors as I dont play them and can offer nothing other than general tanking tips (EH wins every time)
Weapons
Vendor
(H) Axe of the Sen'jin Protector (http://www.wowhead.com/item=45204) (A) Teladrassil Protector (http://www.wowhead.com/item=45076) Cost: 25x Champoin's Seals (http://www.wowhead.com/item=44990)
Drop:
Falric's Wrist-Chopper (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50290) Drops:Falric Heroic Halls of Reflection

Rimefang's Claw (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50268) Drops: Scourgelord Tyrannus Heroic Pit of Saron

Peacekeeper Blade (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47500) Drops: Eadric the Pure / Paletress chest drop Herioc Trial of the Champion

Lucky Old Sun (http://www.wowhead.com/item=49783) Drops: Bronjham Forge of Souls

Red Sword of Courage (http://www.wowhead.com/item=37401) Drops: King Ymiron Heroic Utgarde Pinnacle


Crafted:NONE


BreakDown:
The 2 ilevel 232's falric's and rimefangs are great weapons and Really either or will work for a great pre-raid set (i reccomend getting both )The hidden gem here is that peacekeeper, the bonus stats on all the items like defense dodge and parry are nearly the same, even as we climb from 219-232 but, the blade has a socket allowing you to sacrifice str for whatever stat you choose, in the beginning you may need to socket it with defense to meet the minimum but the blade can have nearly 100stam and is the best item for EH on this list.
Head:
Vendor:
(H) Headplate of the Honorbound (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47678) (A)Faceplate of the Honorbound (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47677) Cost 75x Emblem of Triumph (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47241)

(H) Hellscream's Greathelm of Conquest (http://www.wowhead.com/item=48458) (A) Wrynn's Greathelm of Conquest (http://www.wowhead.com/item=48429) Cost 50x Emblem of Triumph (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47241)


Drop:
Second Helm of the Executioner (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50311) Drops:Chest Drop Wrath of the Lich King event Heroic Halls of Reflection

Helm of the Crestfallen Challenger (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47497) Drops: Eadric the Pure / Paletress Chest Drop Herioc Trial of the Champion

Crafted:
Tempered Titansteel Helm (http://www.wowhead.com/item=41387)

Breakdown:
The Crafted is a WONDERFUL starting spot as it has gobs of stamina and lots of defense the 2 things every starting tank is valued upon(aka players look at your health and care if you are critimmune) The 245 emblem helm is BiS preraid and the Tier helm is tied with the drop. Your best bet here is to farm some gold and have a titansteel waiting for you and then grab any upgrades that come but, work torwards the 245 helm and get the executioners if it drops block sets make heriocs a joke and since you are going to be doing them alot lets just build the set now.
NECK:
Vendor:

Shard of the Crystal Forest (http://www.wowhead.com/item=45821) Cost: 19x Emblem of Conquest (http://www.wowhead.com/item=45624)

Drop:

Fossilized Ammonite Choker (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50310) Drops:Chest Drop Wrath of the Lich King event Heroic Halls of Reflection

The Warlord's Depravity (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47566) Drops: The Black Knight Heroic Trial of the Champion

Crafted:

Titanium EarthGuard Chain (http://www.wowhead.com/item=42646)

Breakdown:
The Drop is the best. The crafted should you be loaded is a great starting point and i would like to point of that the warlords depravity for those building a block set to
Shoulders:
Vendor:
(H) Shoulderguards of Enduring Order (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47699) (A) Shuolderplates of Enduring Order (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47698) Cost 45x Emblem of Triumph (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47241)

(H) Hellscream's Pauldrons of Conquest (http://www.wowhead.com/item=48460) (A) Wrynn'S Pauldrons of Conquest (http://www.wowhead.com/item=48448) Cost 30x Emblem of Triumph (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47241)
Drops:
Shuolderplates of Frozen Blood (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50234) Drops: Forgemaster Garfrost Heroic Pit of Saron

Regal Aurous Shuolderplates (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47514) Drops: Eadric the Pure / Paletress Chest Drop Herioc Trial of the Champion
No crafted

Breakdown:
Once more the 245 shuolders win. to start the tier gear is great and tied with the best drop ( i am really beginning to notice patterns here blizzard). The Wapachs are always on the AH and are great shuold you find yourself being a loaded alt of a rich main. Work with what you can get though and build to the 245.
Backs:
Vendor:
Platinum Mesh Cloak (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40722) Cost: 25x Emblem of Valor (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40753)
Drops:

Eerie RuneBlade Polisher (http://www.wowhead.com/item=49832) Drops: Falric Halls of Reflection

Crafted:

Durable Nerubhide Cape (http://www.wowhead.com/item=43565)

Breakdown: Start by getting the crafted Cape and farm emblems. If you see the drop great but, you may have to settle on that old vendor cloak as we dont have alot of options outside of raids for our cloaks
Chest:
Vendor:

(H) Hellscream's Breastplate of Conquest (http://www.wowhead.com/item=48456) (A) Wrynn's Breastplate of Conquest (http://www.wowhead.com/item=48436) Cost Cost 50x Emblem of Triumph (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47241)

Drop:

Icebound Bronze Cuirass (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50285) Drops: Scourgelord Tyrannus Heroic Pit of Saron

Scourgelord's Frigid Chestplate (http://www.wowhead.com/item=49816) Drops: Scourgelord Tyrannus Pit of Saron

Crafted:

Breastplate of the White Knight (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47592)

Breakdown: The Crafted is BiS pre-raid and hard to replace even after walking into ICC(it will in fact last you that long) I heartily reccomend getting it but if gold is tight or this isnt a character you wanna break bank on just go with the tier gear (unless the drop happens to come while farming then i can't really reccomend the tier peice)
Wrist:
Vendor:

Bracer's of Dalaran's Parapets (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40734) Cost: 60x Emblem of Valor (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40753)

Drops:

Bracers of the Herald (http://www.wowhead.com/item=37620) Drops: Herald Volazj Heroic Ahn'kahet:The old Kingdom

Crafted:

Saronite Swordbreakers (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47571)


Breakdown:
Ok this slot is wierd, to start the crafted are hands down the best i can not stress enough the neccesity of getting them. However if you look at the vendor some of you may notice the big text that says BIND ON EQUIP, if your main has old emblems to spare buy the BoE bracers and mail them to your warrior. The drop is of course a "hey look situation" if you see them get em if not meh.
Hands:
Vendor:

(H) Hellscream's Handgaurds of Conquest (http://www.wowhead.com/item=48457) (A) Wrynn's Hanguards of Conquest (http://www.wowhead.com/item=48449) Cost 30x Emblem of Triumph (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47241)

Drops:

Crystalline Citadel Gauntlets (http://www.wowhead.com/item=49843) Drops:Chest Drop Wrath of the Lich King event Halls of Reflection

Mercy's Hold (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47212) Drops: Eadric the Pure / Paletress Chest Drop Trial of the Champion

Horn-Tipped Gauntlets (http://www.wowhead.com/item=37645) Drops:Gal'Darah Heroic Gun'drak

No Crafted.

Breakdown:
Vendor is your best bet here. However the drop that is the 219 is a Fantastic block set piece and i recommend getting it should it drop (you look your group right in the face and tell them even if it isn't an upgrade you need it for a reason)
Belt:
Vendor:

Shieldwarder Girdle (http://www.wowhead.com/item=45825) Cost 28x Emblem of Conquest (http://www.wowhead.com/item=45624)

Drop:

Titanium Links of Lore (http://www.wowhead.com/item=49853) Drops: Trash mobs any regular ICC 5-Man

Girdle of the Pallid Knight (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47227) Drops: The Black Knight Trial of the Champion

Ancient Aligned Girdle (http://www.wowhead.com/item=37241) Drops: Anub'arak Heroic Azjul'Nerub

Crafted:

Indestructible Plate Girdle (http://www.wowhead.com/item=45551)

Breakdown:
Crafted>Vendor>Pallid>Links Yeah pretty much that the links are again good for a block set(you want one trust me) but that crafted has so many sockets and so much stam is to be had that i cant not recommend it the Vendor is close behind and VERY cheap emblem wise (an hour or two of farming)
Legs:
Vendor:

(H) Hellscream's Leggaurds of Conquest (http://www.wowhead.com/item=48459) (A) Wrynn's Legguards of Conquest (http://www.wowhead.com/item=48445) Cost 50x Emblem of Triumph (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47241)

Drop:

Legplates of Frozen Granite (http://www.wowhead.com/item=49794) Drops: Devourer of Souls Forge of Souls

Legguards of Abandoned Fealty (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47171) Drops: Grand Champions fight from heroic Trial of the Champion

Bolstered Legplates (http://www.wowhead.com/item=43500) Drops:Cyingosa Heroic Violet Hold

Crafted:

Pillars Of Might (http://www.wowhead.com/item=49904)

Breakdown:
The Vendor is your best bet, the crafted are some of these best legs in the game and are for many many fights the BiS peice of gear. Just farm drops as you collect emblems and upgrade to your tier. If you are some kind of super rich freak those pillars are waiting for you.


Feet:
Vendors:

Kyzoc's Grounds Stompers (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40743) Cost: 40x Emblem of Valor (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40753)

Drop:

Sollerets of Suffering (http://www.wowhead.com/item=49795) Drops: Devourer of Souls Forge of Souls

Black Spire Sabatons (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50207) Drops: Devourer of Souls Heroic Forge of Souls

Boots of Heartfelt Repentance (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47201) Drops: Eadric the Pure / Paletress Chest Drop Trial of the Champion

Crafted:

Boots of Kingly Upheaval (http://www.wowhead.com/item=49907)

Spiked Deathdealers (http://www.wowhead.com/item=45560)

Tempered Titansteel Treads (http://www.wowhead.com/item=41392)

Breakdown: The boots from BS are BiS (but are nearly 10k gold At the time of this writing). The Blackspire are wonderful boots and will last you well into 25 man encounters. I heartily reccomend those with the desire to que at 80 to buy the temepred titansteel. please though avoid the vendor they are there for completness.
Rings:

Vendors:

Clutch of Fortification (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47731) Cost 45x Emblem of Triumph (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47241)

Signet of the Impregnable Fortress (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40718) Cost: 25x Emblem of Valor (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40753)


Drops:

Mark of the Relentless (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47243) Drops: Grand Champions fight from heroic Trial of the Champion

Keystone Great-Ring (http://www.wowhead.com/item=37784) Drops: The Prophet Tharon'ja Heroic Drak'Tharon Keep

Crafted:

Titanium EarthGaurd Ring (http://www.wowhead.com/item=42643)

Titanium Frostgaurd Ring (http://www.wowhead.com/item=43582)

Breakdown:
To start you need the emblem ring and one other so which to get? The drop from Trial is amazing and teh second vendor is viable for people with bad luck. Some of you savvy players notice an old ring from when saphiron was hard the frostgaurd ring. i put it here for lack of drops and the pure stam potential of the ring (to a warrior with 3 points in vitality it is nearly 1.4k hp alone) but, shouldn't really be used unless you just need a filler ring when you ding 80.
Trinkets:
Vendor:

Glyph of Indomitability (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47735) Cost 50x Emblem of Triumph (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47241)

Valor Medal of the First War (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40683) Cost: 25x Emblem of Valor (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40753)

Drop:
Ick's Rotting Thumb (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50235) Drops: Ick Heroic Pit of Saron

The Black Heart (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47216) Drops: The Black Knight Trial of the Chapoin

Essence of Gossamer (http://www.wowhead.com/item=37220) Drops: Hardronox Heroic Azjul'Nerub

Lavanthor's Talisman (http://www.wowhead.com/item=37872) Drops: Lavanthor Heroic Violet Hold

Breakdown:
Those who have been paying attention will notice that i have included 2 blue items here and they are the only two blue items linked. To start one of the reasons is that the black heart is almost required and it is a hard to get drop for some so the essence of gossamer is next best. Also Ick's Rotting thumb is fantastic for an avoidance set but, at EH it is not even on the radar. The Lavanthors talisman is something every warrior should have in his bag. The block rating is HUGE and is almost essential in building a block set. So get the black hearth and the glyph but, fill in with anything you can get to start.
Ranged:
Vendor:

Blades of the Sable Cross (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47660) Cost 25x Emblem of Triumph (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47241)

Drops:NONE

Crafted:

Armor Plated Combat Shotgun (http://www.wowhead.com/item=41168)

Breakdown:
To start there are no dungeon drops for this slot and it is one place wehre i can honestly tell you to get the crafted and dont worry about teh vendor (i know it has a high itemlevel) until you can put something in every other slot that needs your attention the gun has tons of HP and Defense on it something you will be lacking as a fresh 80 (you will have stma just not how much everyone wants)

Sheilds:
Vendor:

Crygil's Discarded Plate Panel (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40701) Cost: 35x Emblem of Heroism (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40752)
Drops:

Splintered Door of The Citadel (http://www.wowhead.com/item=49835) Drops:Marwyn Halls of Reflection

Royal Crest of Lordaeron (http://www.wowhead.com/item=43085) Drops:Mal'Ganis Heroic Caverns of Time:Culling of Stratholme

Crafted:

Titansteel Sheild Wall (http://www.wowhead.com/item=42508)

Breakdown:
The Drop is the best and after that is a large amount of tie'ing with every othrr sheild listed being pretty much just as good as the others. I would like to add that the shieldwall is crafted and relativly cheap and is an excellent starting point for any sheildwielding tank.

AuctionHouse Watch list:

Harbringer's Bone Band (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50447)
Rowan's Rifle of Silver Bullets (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50444)
Band of the Traitor King (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47315) Signet of the Triator King (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47149)
Northern Barrier (http://www.wowhead.com/item=45450)
Signet of the Earthshaker (http://www.wowhead.com/item=45247)
Cloak of the Iron Council (http://www.wowhead.com/item=45322)
Signet of Winter (http://www.wowhead.com/item=45874)
Inexorable Sabotans (http://www.wowhead.com/item=39717)
Signet of the Accord (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40426)
Wapach's Spaulders of Solidarity (http://www.wowhead.com/item=44312)
Burning Skull Pendant (http://www.wowhead.com/item=37646)
Refined Ore Gloves (http://www.wowhead.com/item=37671)
Tattered Castle Drape (http://www.wowhead.com/item=37197)
Waistgaurd of Risen Knight (http://www.wowhead.com/item=37801)


To begin with i recommend getting as many items before you start this grind refer to the crafted section of each slot and the AH watch list. remember to gear up for each step. Pre-Naxx Heroics need only leveling blue tank gear gemmed and such to stay crit immune. Trial of the Champion is only slightly more demanding (mostly ilevel 200's equipped). After that is Heroic Trial of the champion and Normal ICC dungeons which need all item level 200's mixed with emblem gear. Heroic ICC dungeons can be difficult and should be attempted by players who have sufficiently geared with emblems and normal ICC dungeon drops.

Quick Tips:
1.As you are gearing pay attention to the weekly it can be lower content that you can get into with relative ease.
2.Talk to your guild they may be able to carry you through Naxx10 or Ulduar25 to help you gear.
3.Always Pay attention to your group in these random pugs especially your healers mana.
4.Be willing to learn if this is your first character some of the dungeon tricks will be unknown to you so just ask your group.
5.Repair and stock up on pots/food after every dungeon so you wont need to port out.


Ask a Tiny:
I do what i can but am no miracle worker for small things feel free to ask but please utilize the HALP! section. This guide aims to get you raid ready in a timely manner.

Dreadski
04-20-2010, 08:11 AM
This will be great to link to when it's finished. Thanks!

Tinytankz
04-20-2010, 09:02 AM
Shuold be all good to go guys please post any comments concerns or nitpicks as you feel are neccasary. ALSO i wuold liek to recruit a palidan or DK to help me retune this guide your your class so PM me if you are capable of helping.

Dreadski
04-20-2010, 09:21 AM
Shuold be all good to go guys please post any comments concerns or nitpicks as you feel are neccasary. ALSO i wuold liek to recruit a palidan or DK to help me retune this guide your your class so PM me if you are capable of helping.

Paladins would want the same gear as a warrior, DKs would be the same except they want 2 handers instead (most of the time). The only other difference is the ranged/relic slot, which are all vendor items IIRC.

Volador
04-20-2010, 09:22 AM
*cough* Shields *cough*

Tinytankz
04-20-2010, 09:23 AM
Hmmmm I may just add a relic/libram section and put all three classes tier gear in here. I like frost Dk's on the principal that they use weapons meant for tanking and not my fury warriors Big old DPS 2 handers.


CURSE YOU VALADOR

krc
04-20-2010, 03:14 PM
Two suggestions Tiny, first is that you probably should put in the ICC BoE drops since they are essentially in the same boat as the Pillar's of Might and Boots of Kingly Upheavel you listed http://www.wowhead.com/item=50444 http://www.wowhead.com/item=50447. Also I wouldn't put the frost ring priority after the Cluth since there are two other options, the Mark of the Relentless since it is a blue socket with a bonus it is only 6 stam behind the frost ring and it's plethora of avoidance, expertise and strength makes up for the 6 stamina, also the heroic DTK's ring with the extra armor gives it about an additional 45 stamina of pure EH.

Jericho
04-20-2010, 05:16 PM
TAlso I wouldn't put the frost ring priority after the Cluth since there are two other options, the Mark of the Relentless since it is a blue socket with a bonus it is only 6 stam behind the frost ring and it's plethora of avoidance, expertise and strength makes up for the 6 stamina, also the heroic DTK's ring with the extra armor gives it about an additional 45 stamina of pure EH.

I would agree here. Even with the somewhat difficult aspect of gaining access to the other rings there are better options here. There are two 245+ BoE Ring drops and several 226-200 rings still available for purchase. Harbinger's Bone Band (http://www.wowhead.com/item=50447) will be fairly in the expensive range on most servers. However, Signet of the Traitor King (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47149) is seen quite often on the AH due to the terrific number of ToC25 pugs being run. You can also look for rings such as Signet of the Earthshaker (http://www.wowhead.com/item=45247), Signet of Winter (http://www.wowhead.com/item=45874) and with the sheer number of people doing weekly raid quests and/or going back to zerg 3d you can also find Signet of the Accord (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40426). Most of which should be at the relative price of a Titanium Frostguard Ring (http://www.wowhead.com/item=43582). I'll be honest here ... if you tried to walk into an ICC10 as an Offtank with that Frostguard ring on you'd be laughed out of the instance by most people. Hell even in ToC10 you would be.

One other thing to note, going headlong into the Heroic ICC 5mans is a bad place to push newer tanks to go to. It should be something they strive to be ready for. Hell, even Heroic ToC5 is pushing it until you truly have a bit of gear under your belt as a tank. Making sure people understand they should NOT go and try to queue for Halls of Reflection to get that axe from Falric before they are capable is a good thing. People already avoid the instance like the plague, getting queued into it with a tremendously undergeared warrior tank is not doing anyone any good.

As for comments/nitpicks on the "guide" itself. It would be a tremendous improvement if you actually listed the instance and boss each dropped off of instead of relying on people to click the wowhead link. Ranking items from best to worst in terms of some value would also be helpful say in terms of EH, but not necessary since most of that is found elsewhere. Lastly, I would rename the guide to use Dungeon Finder or LFG tool, because LFD is not exactly what its called, nor do I know of anyone would uses the term. (Just a nitpick, but yeah, I had to click the link to figure out wth you were talking about). Its not really a guide to use just the Dungeon Finder as you are directing people to crafted and BoE as well.

Tinytankz
04-20-2010, 09:09 PM
Thanks guys both guides will be updated with emblem mat costs with a section called AH WATCH added to each that includes blues and epics from raids.

Also each will have an In case of emergency thread that will have items that you may or may not have access to including proffesion trinkets. thanks for the feedback these critisiecms are the only way to make this guide better,

kuzoh
04-22-2010, 09:53 AM
Thanks a bunch for sharing this gear compilation. I have a warrior tank at 77 now and am starting to build a wishlist for 80 as well.

One thing to note about saronite swordbreakers vs this: the crafted cost 4 crusader orbs (15 emblem of triumph each = 60 emblems) plus 20 saronite, 8 titansteel and the vendor item costs 60 emblem of valor. So unless you have extra emblem of valor for some reason on another character it's not really worth converting 60 triumph emblems to valor.

Tinytankz
04-22-2010, 10:08 AM
If you notice the vendor Bracers are BoE meaning you can use your main to farm the emblems (or if you have emblems floating around on old guys) and then send them to your warrior i personally wuold never farm emblems on the warrior for them but if have been an avid raider you sometimes find yourself with lots of old emblems on your characters (especially if you bench them for a bit). Why not use them to help a fresh alt. If the warrior is your one and only high level on teh server (like meh) then just get some sword breakers.

Alos never use emblems for orbs man frozen trades up now. You can spam Trade for 10g a frozen and pay only 240g for your crusader orbs total.

kuzoh
04-22-2010, 01:17 PM
Yea I see that they are BoE. But, if you have a geared 80 already that has nothing else useful to buy with triumph emblems, it's pointless to buy the BoE bracers because you could use the emblems to buy the 4 crusader orbs for the superior crafted bracers. Why spend 60 triumph emblems on the BoE bracers when you're going to eventually buy 4 crusader orbs 20 saronite and 8 titansteel for the crafted bracers anyway? Save yourself the gold, use the emblems that you're not going to use anyway on crusader orbs and get the crafted bracers.

Theotherone
04-22-2010, 01:29 PM
I don't understand why you only include the ICC crafted legs, but not the ICC crafted feet or the ICC vendor cloak, trinket, waist, gloves, chest - seems if one ICC piece is being included all should be; although, they're a just a bit beyond introductory.

The Kirin Tor exalted gloves are pretty good tanking gloves also - as are the legs from Argent Crusade (granted they're blue, but they work)

Tinytankz
04-22-2010, 03:10 PM
@ the other one Look again no stealth edit either those kingly boots have been up there on the grounds of crafted BOE epics. Frost takes so long to get off of LFD i didnt include it. At that point it isnt a guide for the LFD but a general this gear is still relevant in patch 3.3.3 guide.
Rep peices were not even thought of when i made the list i will rethink them but, that said by the time you use the tabard to hit exalted with a faction you are usually beyond need for said pieces(pre-naxx gearing is what i thought they were more meant torwards anyways)
@kuzoh i can tell you havent been playing since naxx i have a toon with 200 conquest still cant get orbs with those can I? It is meant for laying around emblems some guys have old toons with last tier or tier before of emblems would like to know there are some BoE bracers.
@krc The frost ring is not priority after clutch it is a pre-raid option i listed due to massive amounts of stam on a failry cheap to make or have made ring.
@Jericho You cant use the LFD(Looking for Dungeon the name blizzard gave the tool) to que for things like H:PoS or H:HoR till your gear is of a certain quality in every slot meaning an under-geared tank isnt walking into those using the tool. Also as for the frost ring as a tank in ICC i have one word Sindragosa, that is all

Hate and criticism deflection aside give me a bit many of your crazy nitpicks are being added.

kuzoh
04-22-2010, 04:04 PM
Like I said in my first reply:

So unless you have extra emblem of valor for some reason on another character it's not really worth converting 60 triumph emblems to valor.

So to summarize:
-If you have a character with over 60 emblems of valor, the BoE wrists are a nice option.
-Don't convert 60 emblems of triumph to valor for the wrist piece; buying crusader orbs and getting the crafted wrists is a better option.

Tinytankz
04-22-2010, 04:12 PM
Right but, like i said it isnt worth trading triumph for orbs on the grounds of FROZO (http://www.wowhead.com/npc=40160)

kuzoh
04-22-2010, 05:01 PM
It is if you have nothing better gear-wise to spend the emblems on.

Tinytankz
04-22-2010, 06:14 PM
Ok everything but stonekeeper shard stuff added looking at them now.

Honor gear is not really a good idea from what i am seeing. if i am wrong someone will tell me so i will wait but tanking i don't see it being an issue.

kuzoh
04-28-2010, 12:53 PM
For cloaks, you might want to add Flowing Cloak of Command to your list seeing as it has a decent amount of defense plus bonus armor and very easy to obtain on the way to 80. The crafted Durable Nerubhide Cape would actually be worse than the cloak of command for a fresh 80 tank still working on reaching 540 defense. Cloak of Peaceful Resolutions is worth mentioning as well.

As far as honor gear goes, Wrathful Gladiator's Cloak of Triumph and Wrathful Gladiator's Cloak of Victory are very real possibilities. They both cost about 52k honor which isn't very hard to obtain (even if you don't pvp at all, if your faction controls wintergrasp for any length of time you'll earn stonekeeper shards from doing high level dungeons which can be converted to honor). Now the real comparison, neglecting all gear obtained in raids, is between these two and the vendor cloak Platinum Mesh Cloak.

Comparison (http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=44188;37084;43565;37728;40722;49832; 50466;51354;51356)

So you lose some defense, dodge and parry but pick up more stamina, resilience and hit/crit. As a fresh 80 the hit rating is probably more useful than the crit rating, so take the Wrathful Gladiator's Cloak of Victory.

TL;DR: I'd pick up Flowing Cloak of Command on the way to 80, then buy Wrathful Gladiator's Cloak of Victory as soon as you have enough honor/stonekeeper's shards. Move Platinum Mesh Cloak down the list of vendor item priority (or don't pick it up at all) and buy Sentinel's Winter Cloak as soon as you have enough frost badges [1].

[1] Emblem of Frost Pick Order (http://www.tankingtips.com/2009/12/24/the-emblem-of-frost-pick-order/)

Tinytankz
04-29-2010, 05:45 AM
You know whats funny kuzoh Is i am sitting at nearly 30k honor and was looking at the wrathful cloak over my durable nerubihide. I have ot much going on to do a comprehensive breakdown of pvp gear and it's place in thie guide yet so... I shall wait, However i will be honest after tonight my armory will show me in a wrathful hit cloak for the gobs of stam and AP

Lokk
05-03-2010, 04:56 PM
Just wanted to thank you for the time spent in this thread. I'm new to prot/tanking, and I'm currently leveling my warrior through wrath...this is EXACTLY what I was looking for :)

Tinytankz
05-04-2010, 05:48 AM
Glad it could help. :D

theodisius
05-04-2010, 06:55 AM
Great guide. It would be useful to add in pvp gear when you get the time, as I think it may often be accessible and useful to newly dinged level 80 tanks. It is not designed to be tanking gear, but can contribute a lot to EH and uncrittability - the two top concerns of a new tank. Yes, it lacks avoidance, but for most heroics, where dps and healers outgear the content, this may not be a big issue. The increase in threat and dps is some compensation.


However i will be honest after tonight my armory will show me in a wrathful hit cloak for the gobs of stam and AP

The resilience on PvP gear will also help new level 80s get uncrittable (unlike the durable cloak, which is wholly lacking in defence). Most of the wrathful and relentless off set pieces available solely for honour are potentially interesting to new level 80s. Aside from the cloak, they may not be best in slot pre-raid, but the relentless belt and boots - for example - may be better than the emblem gear. I would recommend them if the tank has some interest in PvP: these kind of pieces can be a stop gap for PvE and have a long term value for PvP.

Sekhment
05-05-2010, 10:33 AM
As the tank that taught u everything ben i am OFFENDED

detour
05-05-2010, 02:12 PM
Just a small note but The Black Heart actually drops in normal ToC not Heroic. I intend on farming it today :cool: Thanks again for this guide, very helpful.

Tinytankz
05-06-2010, 06:58 AM
@detour Thank you great catch i proof read this at 11 at night then editited it in a late night class so i know there is another error floating around.
@Sek OH HO JOE :D Where's My news SON

kuzoh
05-06-2010, 02:56 PM
Great guide. It would be useful to add in pvp gear when you get the time, as I think it may often be accessible and useful to newly dinged level 80 tanks. It is not designed to be tanking gear, but can contribute a lot to EH and uncrittability - the two top concerns of a new tank. Yes, it lacks avoidance, but for most heroics, where dps and healers outgear the content, this may not be a big issue. The increase in threat and dps is some compensation.

The resilience on PvP gear will also help new level 80s get uncrittable (unlike the durable cloak, which is wholly lacking in defence). Most of the wrathful and relentless off set pieces available solely for honour are potentially interesting to new level 80s. Aside from the cloak, they may not be best in slot pre-raid, but the relentless belt and boots - for example - may be better than the emblem gear. I would recommend them if the tank has some interest in PvP: these kind of pieces can be a stop gap for PvE and have a long term value for PvP.

If you do any tanking on your way to 80 you should have a good start on gear to tank heroics to begin with. The two main slots I found hard to fill pre-raid is cloak and ring.

For the ring slot, you want the 245 ring purchased with triumphs, and for the second ring, wear anything until you have the gear to tank for ICC rep runs. I wore the wrathful pvp ring in the second slot for a short period of time until I could get the tanking ring from the Ashen Verdict.

For cloak, I believe the wrathful pvp cloak is the best choice pre-raid and pre-frost emblem cloak. Once you get 50 frost emblems the cloak is probably going to be the first thing you'll want to replace.

If you have the honor to buy the other offpieces and want to get into pvp I'd say go for it, but in my experience gearing up to tank ICC, only the ring and cloak were necessary to buy until I could get into raids.

Tinytankz
05-06-2010, 04:21 PM
I can say that when i started heroics at 80 i had the following slots filled with level 80 blues or epics

Head-tempered titansteel
neck- burning skull pendant
cloak- durable nerubihide
bracers-saronitesword breakers
hands-refined ore gloves-
belt- the BoE blue
feet-temepered titansteel
shield-titansteel shieldwall

All the otehr slots were from dungeons or quests but, gemmed and sons of hodir starter enchant i was at 29k hp and uncrittable so i started rocking :D

Tinytankz
05-13-2010, 07:03 PM
As a note i will be checking the PTR's for BoE and such to make sure this guide stays relevant 3.3.5

Selene
05-15-2010, 01:41 AM
Something to maybe list are the tank items you can get from the various Rep Quartermasters.

Dissident
05-16-2010, 08:43 AM
Thank you sooooo much for this thread! With 7 80s, my new 80 paladin will be my first ever tank and I feel like a complete noob because she leveled Ret spec.

I'm finding it hard to actually reach 535 defense, so this guide is awesome for where to go and what to look for. Just starting out, I have the Nerubhide cape but the Tattered drape has defense so I've included that for now. Also, the EB Toxin-Tempered Sabatons have better values for starting out than the Tempered Titansteel Treads. Both of those pieces are in my bank but not equipped until I'm def capped without them.

All my tank friends are saying I don't dare step into an instance without being def capped so my plan is to run heroics (again) for a tanking T9 set, then start in regular instances until I get the hang of the new rotation.

Thanks again for all the help, guys!

pcigre
05-20-2010, 02:25 AM
Great list. Thank you very much. Its really nice to have such a list when starting new class/spec gearing.

Is there any compatibile to this guide gem/enc list? If not, what geming/enchanting guide do you recomend to read for pre-raid gearing?

Tinytankz
05-20-2010, 11:56 AM
Gemming and enchanting should be hardily covered in Agg's lovely guide. It can be found Here. (http://www.tankspot.com/../showthread.php?60155-aggs-prot-war-tanking-guide) I may add a Gem and enchant section to help out but,it is all very straight forward Stamina is king, and threat is handled via proper use of talents (this is to say that threat issues do not come from not enough hit/expertise they come from improper usage of your threat generating abbilities.) You look to put Hp or armor on everything but i have a certain love for Tuskar's (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=47901) even though you can get a 7 more stam enchant.

pcigre
05-22-2010, 02:01 AM
Thank you for the link. Looks like I'll need to do some re-geming :).

I'm just not sure can I gem belt slot with meta gem and would that be smart?

Elemek
06-20-2010, 01:29 PM
Metagems only go in metagem slots, which only appear in helmets.

pcigre
06-23-2010, 07:14 AM
Be sure to grab sesonal boss clack, it's nice.

Tinytankz
06-23-2010, 06:44 PM
seasonal cloaks while awesome are just what is noted seasonal. Adding it here would only taunt people who look next week.

Hell
06-25-2010, 05:32 AM
Thanks so much man!

Salopard
06-30-2010, 01:17 PM
Is the midsummer event...with lord Ahune cloak any good?http://www.wowhead.com/item=54801

Stoutale
06-30-2010, 01:48 PM
at 80's where you will be able to go through and get heroics, I would have liked to see Emblem of Frost gear here.

Tinytankz
06-30-2010, 03:09 PM
Is the midsummer event...with lord Ahune cloak any good?http://www.wowhead.com/item=54801
Actually it is BIS till raiding (is only beaten by 245 cloak from ToC barely and the frost ones and ones from ICC)


at 80's where you will be able to go through and get heroics, I would have liked to see Emblem of Frost gear here.


TBH it takes one month for an upgrade if you are not raiding ICC 60 per your 30 days at 2 frost a day, then assuming the weekly isn't to hard to tank (most pugs will still want over geared tanks TBH) you can see another 20, Thats 80 total or one 60 frost piece and a about 2 weeks off a 95 emblem piece like the chest or tier gear. Frost pick is situational and there is no way to put a list in general most people like to grab CSK but forget that pieces like http://www.wowhead.com/item=50978 and http://www.wowhead.com/item=50991 tend to be the better choices. If you have a question as small as which frost upgrade is better feel free to post an armory and ask i will gladly give you my humble opinion.

tunaktunak
09-29-2010, 04:03 AM
Would be uber cool to see this updated for cata once its out.