View Full Version : Tanking Expertise > armor if not capped?

04-19-2010, 10:42 AM
Hi lads,

Just got The Arbiter's Muse (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47116) from ToC25 today, and meant to replace it with Endurance of the Infernal (http://www.wowhead.com/item=47679).

My doubt lies in the fact that replacing the latter will mean that I am no longer expertise capped. And as we know, expertise is not only a crucial threat increase, it also adds to avoidance since no parries from the boss means no 40% speed increase on next incoming attack = no "ZzzZz another day in Icecr-HOLY CRAP!" hits.


Armory link (http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Khadgar&cn=Amygdala)

04-19-2010, 11:00 AM
My understanding is that parry-haste is not "on" for most ICC bosses. (http://pwnwear.com/2010/02/11/parry-haste-confirmed-to-be-mostly-off-in-icecrown-citadel/).
Can you make up the difference in expertise with food and/or elixirs? If so, then you might consider going for the extra armor.
Personally though, I would keep both and make two different Equipment Manager sets. Make an ot/survivability set with the extra armor piece and a mt/threat set with the expertise. Having variety in my gear options makes a ton of difference for me and my raid.
Anyway, I hope you find this at least somewhat helpful.

04-19-2010, 11:12 AM
Armor is always > expertise unless you are having threat problems, period.

Never go expertise over armor.

As an afterthought: Soft cap (dodge/miss) for expertise is 26, hard cap (parries) is over 50. Are you anywhere near that number? No. You are still getting parried.

04-19-2010, 02:51 PM
There is no reason to worry about expertise in ICC, as only 2 bosses have parry haste (Deathwhisper and Sindragosa) - therefore Armor is far superior in most cases. If you look at tanks doing ICC hard modes, a lot of them have as little as 6 expertise (expertise from talents and that is it).

Like above poster said, expertise is needed if you have threat problems, but you will usually have a rogue or hunter to help you out with that.

They have made it since Ulduar that EH is pretty much the only thing you need. Stam/Armor >>>> Everything else

04-19-2010, 03:13 PM
I would take Arbiter over Endurance any day of the week unless I was doing old content/heroics or a HIGHLY threat sensitive fight. As was said Parry Haste is "off" for most of ICC and its less of a gib than it used to be. If you are really concerned about making up some of that expertise you could swap out your belt gem to Expertise/Stam for a bit more.