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trueX
04-14-2010, 11:07 AM
I am currently and have been for some time my guilds MT. I have access to most gear in ICC25 outside LK (no kill yet ) and currently have the 4 set t10 (3) 264 and (1) 251 but can get a badge to upgrade if next ICC run.

Here is my armory http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonmaw&cn=Phyta

I was wondering if I should drop my 4pc t10 264, and run with the Bone Commanders Pauldron's from the 25m Gunship, and the Gloves of the Kraken via Frost Badges. Both have the same armor as my current items and pretty much the exact same avoidance, but I will lose some uneeded hit and gain raw stam via these items having lower BASE stam but 1 more socket to work with.

Thanks in advance.

Spiff
04-14-2010, 11:27 AM
I would go with the kraken gloves and the bone commanders, untill you get the last 264 sanctified. I'm going to get the 4p bonus as soon as tokens go dirt cheap in our raids, but I don't think its worth having till you have 4p of 264. I wouldn't worry too much about hit rating at all, If you have some awesome, if you don't its not going to make or break your raids, if its a taunt sensaitve fight....glyph taunt.

MellvarTank
04-14-2010, 11:30 AM
T10 - 264 4 piece = t10-264 offset pieces.

Basically if you have the 4-piece and it is 264 ilvl, use it.

Dreadski
04-14-2010, 12:32 PM
T10 - 264 4 piece = t10-264 offset pieces.

Basically if you have the 4-piece and it is 264 ilvl, use it.

Personally I'd get the 4 piece with head, shoulders, chest and gloves, and spend some cash on crafting Pillars of Might.

MellvarTank
04-14-2010, 12:33 PM
Indeed, or you could go 4 piece and get the Cataclysmic Chestguard instead of the chest.... either or, I haven't done the math on which would net you the best EH. :)

Martie
04-14-2010, 05:57 PM
T10 - 264 4 piece = t10-264 offset pieces.

Basically if you have the 4-piece and it is 264 ilvl, use it.

Not quite.
When I noticed the lower amount of gem slots on the t10 pieces, I was quite disappointed. This is for two reasons. First of all, fewer gem slots means lower socket bonuses (even if they are easier to reach.) Secondly, from what I can tell, the itemization points for a socket is based on a rare gem's worth of stats. Since epic gems give more stat points then rare gems, more sockets means more stats.
So without the set bonus, t10 is inferior to equivalent ilevel armor with more sockets.

Using http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t44718-item_level_mechanics/ as a guide, let's do some math on these two items (http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=50968;51174).

Differences (and associated point costs) are:
Cataclysmic Chestguard:
108 Defense rating (108)
82 Expertise (82)
Socket (16)
Total 206 points.

T10 Chestpiece:
12 Stam (8)
39 Strength (39)
14 armor (1)
69 Dodge (69)
85 Parry (85)
Total 202 points.

Even when disregarding the socket bonus diference, T10 is 4 points (worth 6 stamina) short. Including it, the T10 offers 12 stamina less worth of stats.

MellvarTank
04-19-2010, 07:15 AM
Actually we were talking strictly getting the 4-piece bonus, not just T10 264 lvl items. The bonus is the only reason to have the T10.25 equipped over the 264 offset pieces. Even then, it is still situational, as on a fight like festergut or Marrowgar where damage is mostly physical the increased armor would far out-perform the 4-piece bonus.

Tinytankz
04-19-2010, 08:06 AM
No one tank set is an end all be all set, in a progression environment you need to work to beat the mechanics at play. In the end it is worth having 4 peices of 264 for a 4-peice set for magic fights and some tasty bonus armor EH sets for physical fights, gear for each boss.

Byronius
05-06-2010, 01:13 PM
Well, considering the increased Stam from the offset pieces, I'm curious as to the numbers on magic fights with the 4 piece bonus and without. I personally run with two piece bonus a lot of the time, with gloves and helmet, and offset pieces in the other three. (Pillars of Might, Cataclysmic Chestguard, Boneguard Commander's Pauldrons). The 10-14k (depending on person's hp) absorb versus the constantly increased stam is an interesting comparison to make.

I still agree that having both is important, depending on the fight.

Mačl
05-06-2010, 11:24 PM
I can only speak for warriors but the ilvl264 T10 set is worse than an offset combination. If you want to go the usual combination (crafted boots+ trousers, rest T10) then you will be struggeling for def rating. When you compare the T10 chest to the badge chest then it's no competition.

It's propably a good idea to keep T10 around for when the 4pc bonus could actually help, but I won't make it a priority. I have only got 2 pcs and frankly, I think I should have rather spent my frost badges on the offset gloves.
The 2pc bonus is worth it, tho.

Toxicacid
05-09-2010, 03:43 PM
As a paladin, im going to go for the 4piece set bonus. I currently have the Cataclysmic Chestguard and gauntlets of the kraken, but i will be replacing these with the T10 pieces. Pally 4 piece set bonus is 12% dodge while divine plea is active, and paladins have the talent to reset divine plea or wateva it is, so basically 12% dodge all the time.

Solyrys
05-17-2010, 07:36 AM
Correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe the T10 bonus is only when you activate it, not the whole time its up.

Ajire
05-17-2010, 12:37 PM
Toxicacid is wrong and Solyrys is right. The tooltip reads:


When you activate Divine Plea, you gain 12% dodge for 10 sec.Translation: You get a 12% dodge buff when you press the divine plea button and this buff lasts 10 seconds, independent of the duration of Divine Plea (which may be indefinite).

The 4-set T10 basically gives you another "oh crap"-button to pop - were it only a useful "oh crap"-button.