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Postmortal
03-23-2010, 10:03 AM
I'm one week into 80 today, will have 60 emblems of frost after tanking ICC today.

Trying to decide whether to upgrade belt or trinket

Current belt
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47227

Emblem of Frost belt
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50991

Current trinkets
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47216 The black heart
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50235 Ick's rotting thumb

Emblem of Frost trinket
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50356 Corroded Skeleton Key

Thanks in advance for your help

Kazeyonoma
03-23-2010, 10:16 AM
hrm, that's a bit of a tougher call, to be honest I'd go with the belt because it's a huge upgrade and probably BiS. blackheart isn't a terrible trinket tbh, it's pretty decent so that's good to carry you for a while, ick's isn't ideal, it's an avoidance trinket, so that one you definitely want to replace, but trinkets are easy to swap around, I'd say go for the belt first, then the key imo.

Postmortal
03-23-2010, 10:26 AM
I was leaning towards the belt before I read you reply. Was hoping to hear this, thanks for the response Kaz!

Postmortal
03-23-2010, 10:30 AM
One other option I had was to craft http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45551 since today is patch day and the materials have been greatly reduced according to the patch notes and then get the key with emblems and have significant upgrades in both slots? Just a thought...

Kazeyonoma
03-23-2010, 10:56 AM
the emblem belt is miles better, the sheer armor you gain from that bad boy is amazing.

Bromhead
03-23-2010, 11:11 AM
Here's a good guide on Frost Emblem pick order.

http://www.tankingtips.com/2009/12/24/the-emblem-of-frost-pick-order/

Theotherone
03-23-2010, 11:15 AM
Emblem belt; although, my preference was to get the cloaks first. Cloak, belt, trinket has been my batting order.

lewo
03-23-2010, 03:26 PM
i'd also suggest the emblem belt.
also you can grab jugg's vitality from toc 25 which is a very good trinket.
instead of ick's rotting thumb, use glyph of indomitably from 50 triumph badges.
with jugg's vitality and glyph you will have a very good combination.

Muffin Man
03-23-2010, 06:02 PM
Lewo brings up a good point.

The Glyph of Indomitability is actually quite good. So are you sure you need the Skeleton Key?

It's not bad, but for 60 emblems there are some juicy pieces you can get instead (like the cloak).

Loganisis
03-24-2010, 06:33 AM
To the original quesiton --> Going with Glyph of Indomitability and Verdigris Belt would probably maximize your gear options at the moment.

Going towards the future question of what gearing choice is next...

@Bromhead - the problem I have with the picklist, which is quoted in many places, is that it assumes you have roughly the same gear in every slot. This is obviously not the case and I think Postmortal would be best suited not following it in this case.

I'm assuming this is his armory http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thrall&cn=Postmortal

Given the gear he has, the best upgrade order to me would be: (this ignores content drops because there is no guarantee of drops - it's easy to say just grab the X from Y when it drops - but actually being there when it drops, and then winning the roll when it drops)...

Belt
Cataclysmic/Gauntlets of the Kracken

Then re-evaluate - maybe the cloak or by that time maybe the trinket. If he's still sporting the 232 helm, maybe the helm instead of either.

Given his gear - the cloak upgrade might be to BiS but it doesn't enhance his gear as much as focusing on other parts first.

Just because something is BiS doesn't mean it should be the first upgrade, and TBH - thats the only rational I've heard for the cloak (I'm not saying that's your rational or any poster here, just that when I've talked to other tanks they seem to perseverate on the BiS designation rather than the fact it isn't a huge upgrade in most cases when looking at the OTHER upgrade options - most tanks I think lose a lot by going with the cloak first unless they are REALLY lucky with drops). The cloak's big selling point is it's 500 extra armor compared to what he has now - but that 500 armor pales to the ~1000 by upgraded the gloves, ~1300 by upgrading the chest or ~1000 by upgrading the belt.

Sorry for the semi-tangent - but it does pertain to the likely future question of what to upgrade after the belt.

Postmortal
03-29-2010, 01:27 PM
Thank you all for the great feedback, went ahead and purchased the belt a few days ago.

Mend
03-29-2010, 01:40 PM
Great choice.

If you have the money I would also recommend Pillars of Might (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49904) they have a huge amount of armor and cost no emblems if you buy the saronite. It will save you a lot of emblems vs. the tier legs.

Lothring
03-30-2010, 08:55 AM
Stealing the thread to ask my own frost emblem question, I supose most of you are getting tired of them clogging up the forum so I won't open a new one.

I was set on buying the cloak next, however, Pride of the Eredar dropped for me in ToC25 this week. Because of this I'm now quite sure that the better choice would be going for the Gauntlets. They do cost 10 more emblems and I'm currently not in a guild, so 10 emblems mean quite a lot to me. Therefore I'm still unsure. What would you do if you were me?

EDIT: Armory, doh! http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twilight's+Hammer&cn=Lothring (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twilight%27s+Hammer&cn=Lothring)

EDIT 2: If I'm still in my DPS gear it should be changing soon!

Mend
03-30-2010, 09:11 AM
Lothring,

The cloak is best in slot but the Hands give much more armor and stamina than anything below ilvl 258.

I would go for the hands.

There is a great pick order here for warriors (http://www.tankingtips.com/2009/12/24/the-emblem-of-frost-pick-order/)

Lothring
03-30-2010, 10:19 AM
I have seen the pick order, but as Loganisis stated above the pick order quickly becomes irrelevent when taking current gera into consideration. The gloves are BiS aswell though, if I'm not mistaken. I am leaning strongly towards the gloves though, thanks for your comment :]

Loganisis
03-30-2010, 10:22 AM
@ Lothring - like Postmortal, I'm not sure the pick list fits for you. I agree with Mend - Definately the Gauntlets of the Kraken. For the next purchase though, I'm not sure the cloak would be next on my list if I were you. Armor + Sta from Cataclysmic upgrade would seem more valuable than Armor + Sta upgrade from the cloak, even with the avoidence dip (which stinks).

Lothring
03-30-2010, 10:52 AM
Yeah, I think I'll save up for the gloves and see where to go from there. Most likely it will depend on the ICC loot I might pick up. However I am rather displeased to drop the t9 bonus, but that stuff happens I guess.

Lothring
03-31-2010, 07:19 AM
Ran for the trinket from ToC 25 today and got my hands on a Trophy, so know I'm a bit stuck once agian. I can upgrade the gloves instantly, since I have more than a hundred Emblems of Triumph just laying around. Would you still choose the Kraken Gauntlets?

Kazeyonoma
03-31-2010, 09:40 AM
yes, Kraken Gauntlets >>>>>>>> tier 9/9.25/9.5 gloves.

Muffin Man
03-31-2010, 12:25 PM
As for the trophy, depends how you feel. If you feel squishy get the helmet, if you want more threat get the shoulders.

Or... if you can find someone still from that raid and it's still eligible for trade, I'd just try to sell it =p.

Lothring
03-31-2010, 02:23 PM
yes, Kraken Gauntlets >>>>>>>> tier 9/9.25/9.5 gloves.

Certainly, what I was still wondering was weather or not Kraken is still the best upgrade now that I can get my hands on Trophy gauntlets. But I'm just being lazy anyway, I'll go write down the upgrades myself. Thanks for the help guys!

And Muffin Man; Had a friend in raid, will most likely just give it to him since I think he needs it.