View Full Version : Death Knight So, is it me, or the healer?

02-09-2010, 10:09 AM
After a very, very long period of reluctance and contemplation, I finally rolled a DK tank to try it out. After I got lvl 60, I specced frost and queued and had an absolute blast. I basically chain pulled all of outlands with few/minimal problems. I'm still new to the class, but I think I've got a pretty good hang of it, and so far have found it to be very enjoyable

As soon as I hit lvl 70, I got every piece of the Cobalt crafteable set I could get my hands on, and I'm currently sitting at 490 def skill and about 12k hp, which, if I recall right, is uncrittable for up to lvl 73 mobs, and, while not an extraordinary amount of hp, about the same as what heroic level tanks were expected to have in TBC. I know there's a difference in content difficulty between outlands and northrend, and since arriving I've slowed my pace considerably, always trying to match what the party is capable. I always glance at the healer's mana and range before I pull. Despite that, I keep finding myself in groups where I die on pulls where there's no reason I should have died. Then, in other groups, I pull of shit that I didn't think would be possible.

Just for example, in one UK run, I died twice in the room w/ the proto drakes on single pulls. Then, in another run, with a different healer, the rogue got knocked into two other groups, and I managed to get them all on me and survive long enough to kill 3 of the handlers and 1 of the drakes before the healer went oom.

I've run this content numerous times as a healing priest, tanking warrior, mage, and healing shaman, and while I'm slow to put blame on healers, I just don't see a reason why I should be having trouble tanking.

Armory link is http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Nazgrel&cn=Candyde&gn=Honor

I'd appreciate any input.

02-09-2010, 10:37 AM
With the widely variable quality of the pugs you find in the LFG system, I'd be inclined to say it's the healer. But you should also try to be sure that you are using your cooldowns at appropriate moments to assist the healer. A good tank can usually live through a dungeon run with a moderately sub-par healer.

Speaking of cooldowns... you didn't take Unbreakable Armor. An extra cooldown doesn't hurt, and becomes much, much more important later on. Make that where you spend your next talent point. ;)

02-09-2010, 10:48 AM

Yes, I have been using my cooldowns, usually at the beginning of a big pull, when I knew there would be a big spike, or when I noticed that the healer was having a hard time. And I know I skipped unbreakable armor. I understand that, like you said, it becomes much, much more important later on, and I plan to have it in my lvl 80 build, but when I made this spec I hadn't found it useful for quite some time, and the only way I can figure out to fit it into my rotation is to break an obliterate into UA and PS and run w/ 2 diseases for a while, but, again, I don't have pestilence or glyph of disease yet (also probably going to be part of lvl 80).

02-09-2010, 10:51 AM
I would agree with regard to the healer. While levelling, I pugged with a druid healer who had never bothered to train up their spells in their resto off spec. I was tanking and we kept dying to trash at the outset of the instance. I knew I wasn't undergeared or improperly spec'd. So I checked the combat logs and the healer's HOT's were going off at approximately 100 per tick. This wasn't going to get us through the instance. It happens from time to time, but I'd never encountered it with a healer before and didn't think to question him until after checking my combat logs. Long story short, he dropped group and we picked up another druid (1 level lower) who's HOT's ticked for 660% more and we sailed through.

If you've got recount running (or even your combat log) you can take a look back to see how and/or why you died. It would help you confirm, at that instant, if it was or was not the healer. It's also a good skill to develop for the future.

Also, I don't see any shortcomings in your gear or spec for that instance at that level.

02-09-2010, 11:23 AM
I know there's a difference in content difficulty between outlands and northrend

I know I skipped unbreakable armor.

That's why I'm kind of poking you about skipping UA. You might be able to pick up a little more survivability with 2H frost as it frees up some more points; it's usually recommended for lower-geared DK tanks (and therefore I'd assume leveling DK tanks).

You can't have great groups every time in LFG, soooo, my thought is do whatever you can do to reduce any potential pain you may have with a crappy group.

02-09-2010, 12:28 PM
Okay first off DW Tank isn't the ideal Spec for Leveling.
2H Frost would be much better with http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0xZGxx0AbIoc0buzAo0x as a possible spec. http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38237 or http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35576 or http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37461 are all relatively easy to obtain (especially the trident) and good weapons to use.
Until you can use http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=70164#comments 2H Frost Tanking would be far better, the problem with DW Tanking is it is an extremely tight build, which as one is leveling you don't have much leeway with.

Since you are a Skinner make friends with a LW and have them make you http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38375 or http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38376 to attach to your gear, or get some enchants on your gear, doesn't have to be the good stuff, but even a few minor enchants will help immensely.

02-09-2010, 01:32 PM
It's the healer.

If you can survive a pull such as the one you mentioned in your first post - and then die on a single-pull to a Drake.. then.. it's the healer.

From what you said, if you're tanking got to the stage where you're able to chain-pull, which is a fairly advanced tanking move, then you should have no problems whatsoever pulling a Single-drake with a good healer. On my healer, the drakes in UK, litterally require a Riptide + Earth Sheild on the tank. And that's with a lesser geared tank.