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Aliena
02-08-2010, 03:38 PM
GupIAbeylks

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FlaroB
02-08-2010, 08:33 PM
When should it be up?

Arria
02-08-2010, 09:44 PM
I enjoyed listening to this and all your other youtube things that pop up haha. I play a Night Elf Druid on the Nordrassil Relm :)

anyways just wanted to say thanks and that I love your videos :)

-Arria

Arria
02-08-2010, 10:13 PM
Oh and one other thing, In your other video you showed your copy of the world of warcraft magazine, I thought it sounded pretty cool and went and subscribed. What I'm wondering is will I get a copy of the first issue or has it already shipped?

Amamaeth
02-08-2010, 10:48 PM
Guess I should feel blessed we haven't had a decent druid healer in guild to show me this widening gap between priest and druids. I kinda feel your pain on the changes to holy, where we have become less versatile but I also see the need for tank and raid healing roles and the benefit of having specialization in our talents trees could provide to the overall variety and choice in the game, which I personally feel is worth the sacrifice. Unless we can define holy in some other way, like how we can define discipline as a damage prevention healer, then I think it'll be stuck as a raid heal specialist, but who knows what cata will bring.

Estrela
02-09-2010, 12:13 AM
I totally get your frustration over the gap between druids and priests, as well as the frustration over not being an efficient tank healer as holy (or an efficient raid healer as disc!). I, too, rolled my priest when BC came out, but that's after flirting with the class through out all of Vanilla. While I was a Shadow Priest for raiding during the vast majority of BC, I was absolutely in love with the way Holy Priests played. Unfortunately, all throughout BT, Hyjal, and Sunwell I was the only shadow priest in my guild, and one of four priests total. However, on off nights you would regularly find me healing any non-progression raids.

When Wrath hit I became dissatisfied with the class, for many of the same reasons you stated. COH was nerfed (although for good reason), and our tank healing capabilities were snatched away. I was pigeonholed into the role of raid healer and in-a-pinch tank healer. Should none of our holy paladins or our disc priest show up for a night, I would be forced to respec to Disc in order to fill that role, instead of being able to roll with my standard build. Mostly, the serendipity change killed efficient tank healing. /pout

Ulduar was boring, although not due to poor encounter design. I fell out of love with the class - a class I had been playing off-and-on throughout Vanilla and had been my main for the entirety of Burning Crusade. I assumed that the class being pigeonholed was the reason I didn't enjoy the fights, and was able to win a spot as a Shadow Priest in my guild at the time. Unfortunately, poor Shadow Priest scaling didn't make me feel any better about the class. Aside from gimmick fights like Hodir HM, I was completely unable to compete with our other casters. It felt like Sunwell all over, but instead of being told I'd never compete in a normal fight, but at least I brought a mana battery to the warlocks/hunters/healers, I was told "oh no, you CAN compete!"

Those two things lead me to my resto druid. At the start of TOC, with everything dropping Conquest badges, I made the switch. I missed the first two weeks, but have been happily tree-ing it up since then. The main thing that brought me to the druid class was the efficiency. Nearly haste capped, I make an amazing raid healer. But, more importantly, since I have points into both Empowered Touch and Living Seed (which are talented because Nourish makes for an amazing burst heal on someone who is dipping low when swiftmend is on cooldown), I can easily and efficiently fill the role of a tank healer.

I can't wait until Cataclysm where I can, hopefully, return to CoHing and Mind Flaying it up.

Manabuzz
02-09-2010, 01:33 AM
Speaking of enjoying the Blood Elf, you still owe us some finished elven eyebrows Aliena! "They will go down, they WILL go down". Many thanks for the video's, i'm almost willing to try a priest :)

Swidtter
02-09-2010, 05:04 AM
i so love that drawing on your desk xD what is it?

oakayam
02-09-2010, 06:01 AM
Being the girl that I am I wanted to play an elf.Funny and true for me also :o. I ended up with a NE warrior in original WoW. Made a druid in BC that I have been playing since - an elf :p.

Scyla
02-09-2010, 06:48 AM
Why I play a Warrior: That is quite easy to answer http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=11578

Hell, men are so simple minded :D

lildry
02-09-2010, 06:50 AM
I play a night elf resto druid and I abuse the healing meters on 25 toc twins. I abuse the meter so bad that the wow gods should strike me down. Guess they know I would just heal threw it. On this fight I put up healing numbers over 9k heals per second. I mostly use wild growth, Rejv, and a nourish every now and then. How bad have you abused the meters and what encounter was it on?

JakobBloch
02-09-2010, 07:40 AM
I remember my days as a priest fondly. That was way back in vanilla though so I have no clue of what is going on in priest camp these days.

Back then healing was all about efficiency. Some people disagreed with me and probably still do but I am sticking to my guns on this one. I boasted the greatest efficiency in my guild back then (yes I am bragging) and I often finished fights with a half full mana pool. My guild leader frowned on that arguing that if my mana pool was half full at the end of the raid I had not healed enough. I argued that emptying my pool for the sake of appearance was a waste of resources and that an group of healers healing efficiently could save many situations that they could not if they went all out. There is something awesome about saving the day (or attempt) in a raid by blowing your emergency mana.

Those where the days... well actually I like the way the game is now more but nostalgia is a powerful thing. I there is anything mechanically I would like to change now it would be making healing more about efficiency again... not to the point of needing healing rotations but you get the point.

Knighterrant81
02-09-2010, 07:50 AM
I think your WoW development paths closely to mine. I broke my raiding teeth in Karazhan, as a Shadow Priest, since my main was a Rogue then and there were way, way too many Rogues. Also, the guild really needed a shackle/mana restore so our star hunter didn't have to play his Shadow Priest alt anymore.

Unfortunately, no one mentioned that the tailoring cloth was BIS or nearly so until t6, and that our raid leader thought shadow priests should be able to top the DPS meters even though our scaling was *terrible*. I made it to Hyjal before I was being sat because of my class.

I had originally rolled Priest to heal (for Deadmines) back in Vanilla. So in Wrath I decided to go full time healing, after my early flirtation with raid tanking on my warrior. Now, I'm raiding ICC, and beating our mainspec shadowpriest (and our GM) on the DPS meters using my hand-me-down Holy gear. Unfortunately, I don't get a chance to heal much anymore, because we have way too many healers at the moment. Oh well, Shadow is only the 3rd most annoying, twitchy DPS spec in the game and still has scaling issues imo...

As for class balance, it may be because our best Druid healer also went DPS (on his Hunter), but I've not noticed this imbalance with Druids. When I (and our other Holy Priest) go for Renew on fights like Putricide, we *murder* the competition on the meters. Murder. Not pretty. However, there are a lot of Renew-friendly (read: Druid Friendly) fights in ICC, so that is rather annoying. I'm not sure exactly what Blizzard is up to with healer balance, although I'm not sure they're so worried that Druids top meters all over the place. Maybe if we all start rerolling Druids...nah.

I do also miss being able to tank heal, and I think the Holy tree could use some work. You have to spend way too many talents on single spells, in my opinion. I want to see more talents like Blessed Resilience and Test of Faith, that benefit all or most of our spells in interesting ways. I think Holy *can* tank heal, just that you have to give up most of your raid healing talents to do it, and Disc is sitting right there saying "why would you want to tank heal as Holy when you could tank heal as me?"

Syltraul
02-09-2010, 08:36 AM
I'd also have say our stories are quite similar, except I [i]started[/] as a priest and, tho I still play him, my main focus has gone to another character.

I first got into WoW back during vanilla a few months after my roommate at the time started. He had been a long time fan of D&D, EQ2 and the like so when WoW launched he jumped right on it. I had been working as a retail manager so I spent 50-60 hours working each week however ended up losing my job. With the abundance of time I had I was rather bored and kinda ticked my roommate didn't ever want to do anything. So, to remedy the situation, I got a trial account for WoW and started playing

He played a Night Elf warrior on US-Executus and I was rather persuaded to start a priest so I could, as you said Aliena, follow and heal is bum. What turned out to be a blessing in disguise, since he was already 60, I was forced to spend quite a bit of that time questing by myself. It was quite the journey though since I had never played a game like this, I had no idea of the mechanics behind it. Thankfully at the time, the top of our disc tree had improved wands which made leveling quite easier.

Finally hit 60 and was able to really start healing, which I must say....got boring after a while. When BC launched it was clear that priests were no longer the only "masters of healing." Shadow became quite raid viable. No we weren't topping the dps charts but we were still highly desired as we were simply mana batteries. While I had a couple alts, I was faithful to my priest all the way through Sunwell.

Lich King hit. I leveled up to 80 and decided to give healing another go. I had taken a break from the game for about 6 months and when I came back I of course didn't have a raiding position with my guild. That didn't bother me since I also wasn't as interested in raiding. Not that I don't enjoy the thrill of new content, but I simply didn't have the time or energy to sit 4 nights a week, 4 hours per night progressing through. Due to a series of misfortunes I was no longer speaking to my old roommate and, since he was the only reason I joined that server, I switched. On my new server I joined a more casual guild where I was quickly accepted since I had quite a history with the game and was able to help out. We wanted to start running heroics and maybe do a lil raiding but I quickly realized we had plenty of dps, not too many healers but enough to do 5mans with, but no tanks. This is what caused me to roll my paladin. I haven't given up completely on my priest, he is in mostly T9 gear (granted who isn't now) but my pally is certainly the one I spend most of my time on.

Verminoth
02-09-2010, 09:25 AM
Very little unique perspective on actual content in this one. :-(
Since when did Tankspot become a playground to talk about whatever you wanted? Tankspot needs to focus on stuff that's useful, save the stories about vanilla for your guildmates and fanboys, not the front page.

oakayam
02-09-2010, 10:17 AM
Very little unique perspective on actual content in this one. :-(
Since when did Tankspot become a playground to talk about whatever you wanted? Tankspot needs to focus on stuff that's useful, save the stories about vanilla for your guildmates and fanboys, not the front page.

I think this is ment more as video blog. The content discussion is this way (http://www.tankspot.com/forumdisplay.php?206-Project-Marmot-TankSpot-Raid-Movie-Guides).

Niki
02-09-2010, 11:18 AM
I actually went to my priest when Blizz decided before WOTLK that the warlock needed the fix and eventually screwed that class so bad that they are just now recovering from those fixes...

Anyways, I jumped to healing on the priest
1st as holy/shadow and now as holy/disc (Disc=OP, but don't tell Blizz I said that!! :)

When I first started playing her, I was a little bummed that I wasn't able to 'compete' with EHPS with the shamans & druids ~ But she holds her own in raids now and when Disc, consistently is topping the meters ~ gogo bubbles FTW!

Just wanted to share my little history ~ LOVE the videos and I think you're awesome!

Nik :cool:

ekko
02-09-2010, 12:25 PM
moonrunner ftw

Elm
02-09-2010, 01:07 PM
Gotta' love the Dragon Age Origins, almost any World of Warcraft player I have talked to has been referenced to the game or played the game. (So off topic)

Aliena
02-09-2010, 01:09 PM
Very little unique perspective on actual content in this one. :-(
Since when did Tankspot become a playground to talk about whatever you wanted? Tankspot needs to focus on stuff that's useful, save the stories about vanilla for your guildmates and fanboys, not the front page.

The Weekly Marmot has always been my playground to talk about whatever I want. Besides, I put a warning a couple seconds in. If you don't like it, don't watch it!

warlord.hellscream
02-09-2010, 01:15 PM
I disagree with Verminoth. I actually think this video is good insight into how people choose the classes they play, and what they enjoy about the game. Not everything has to be completely predigested and spoonfed to be called "useful" you know. Sometimes is better to get the raw content/thoughts of an experienced player, and then let everyone make their own opinion.
There is plenty of discussion on the forums on content, theory, etc.
THINK.

Kiwi.Cozy
02-09-2010, 01:26 PM
Thanks for another great Weekly Marmot, Aliena! :) Always love watching your videos, and it's fun to hear how people started the game and wound up doing what they do. :)

Zuraz
02-09-2010, 01:29 PM
I have been playing a priest since vanilla. I think they are the best class in the game. I played holy for most of Lich but I just switched to disc for Icc. With websites like worldof logs disc priest healing can finally be appreciated for its raid healing potential :) Great post I enjoyed it very much.



Zuraz

Luanmali
02-09-2010, 02:25 PM
Nice job as usual, Aliena. It was nice to watch, finally giving us a little insight on how your WoW mind ticks. Keep up the good work!

Valcepttion
02-09-2010, 02:58 PM
lol i love that part about bloodboil. That was hands down the most fun fight to heal in BC. I convinced a priest in my guild who was so anti coh to finally use it thanks to that fight. While the rest of the raid hated it including healers.. I absolutely loved it and shined during it. But ya the constant priest nerfing sux. I also picked up a priest in BC cause i wanted a blood elf rather then lvl my rogue from 60-70 I leveled a be Priest from 1-70. Good thing Blood Elfs own.

Soliluna
02-09-2010, 03:30 PM
I didn't watch this all, obviously, but I got as far as the reason you started playing wow in summary (the first thing you said pretty much). "I got wow because my bf played".

I am willing to bet that 90% of the female community of wow, has this reason. I have no problem with this (in case you think I do), just mentioning what I have noticed. So guys, when you say "There are no girls in wow", there are, because you brought them all here.

Luanmali
02-09-2010, 03:57 PM
I am willing to bet that 90% of the female community of wow, has this reason. I have no problem with this (in case you think I do), just mentioning what I have noticed. So guys, when you say "There are no girls in wow", there are, because you brought them all here.

The world may never know... Unless a poll was put up or something.
~shrug~

rednarok
02-09-2010, 09:54 PM
I remember my days as a priest fondly. That was way back in vanilla though so I have no clue of what is going on in priest camp these days.

Back then healing was all about efficiency. Some people disagreed with me and probably still do but I am sticking to my guns on this one. I boasted the greatest efficiency in my guild back then (yes I am bragging) and I often finished fights with a half full mana pool. My guild leader frowned on that arguing that if my mana pool was half full at the end of the raid I had not healed enough. I argued that emptying my pool for the sake of appearance was a waste of resources and that an group of healers healing efficiently could save many situations that they could not if they went all out. There is something awesome about saving the day (or attempt) in a raid by blowing your emergency mana.

Those where the days... well actually I like the way the game is now more but nostalgia is a powerful thing. I there is anything mechanically I would like to change now it would be making healing more about efficiency again... not to the point of needing healing rotations but you get the point.

in icc there are some bosses where you need to be efficient and single target heal players, also body and soul helps in some fights, you also have one time cds like hymn of hope and divine hymn(op heal good for queen air phase) that are pretty efficient. with the amount of spell power we have today the instant flash heals helps alot also cuz you most of the time have the buff and you can pop it on the tank or anyone else when theyre almost dying.

to me, i have been playing priest since vanila, but did most of it in tbc and wotlk, i must say priest has changed over the years completly, in holy you are a good tank offhealer when needed in a certain phase, i just dont like disc because its a one target efficient healer... i think they could make it more usefull for the raid or able to heal 2 targets at the same time kinda like beacon from the palas, because if you want a tank healer your not gonna pick a priest over a pala since he heals the offtank also.
shadow is fun as it always was now with even bigger numbers and wicked fast casts ^^
but i have been since mid tbc playing holy and i wont change too soon even with the druids owning me 3k hps diference, i know someday blizz will bringback our recount destroying healing meters and right now im pretty satisfied :)

ps: CoH in tbc was so op that not even today i can deal as much heal per second, even with 5600gear score!

Keona
02-10-2010, 03:40 AM
Man I started playing wow because EQ2 wouldn't play on Linux and my husband's brother got him to start playing. I was a female human paladin (because he wanted to play Alliance). He got mad I out leveled him while we worked, so he quit and then I quit. We both came back around the same time as blood elf hunters. Again, I got a guild, got him invited, out leveled him, he quit, then I quit. Then maybe 3 months later I came back ... August 2008 ... and leveled my hunter to 70 ... then 73 the first day of wrath. I moved on to leveling alts until January 10th 2009 when my hubby said "what's this refer a friend? I'll play with you." He hated horde and I could see him wanting to leave again, so I looked at the general forums one day to find "new server opening". So the morning of Saturday, January 17th 2009 around 2am, I showed my hubby the new server "Borean Tundra" and decided I'd play alliance with him. I decided to make a warlock and almost became server first. In the end he quit the game over the summer, I transferred my original paladin to the server (my Kona), got her to 80 and now my hubby is back, level 80 on his new warrior and my trusty off tank.

So yeah, originally my hubby brought me to wow and then I kept making him come back. It's going to stay that way too :P By the way, I love healing almost as much as tanking ... been working on my holy set and paladins are so more interesting to heal as than my 80 shaman. Next toon to level is a 37 holy (soon to be holy/disc) priest after I gear up my newest level 80 mage :D

Keep up the marmots, I love hearing from a fellow raiding female. I still can't believe for every 1 female in the gaming world is 10 single men. Strange statistics. :D

Rift
02-10-2010, 07:41 AM
It's not even been a week and [You've Gone and Made a Mess (1 player)] of your little room. I like the marmot drawing though.

Aliena
02-10-2010, 02:47 PM
Actually it's a huge room and it's tidy, there's about 5 things on a glass table and the computers. =P

Soliluna
02-10-2010, 05:19 PM
I remember my days as a priest fondly. That was way back in vanilla though so I have no clue of what is going on in priest camp these days.

Back then healing was all about efficiency. Some people disagreed with me and probably still do but I am sticking to my guns on this one. I boasted the greatest efficiency in my guild back then (yes I am bragging) and I often finished fights with a half full mana pool. My guild leader frowned on that arguing that if my mana pool was half full at the end of the raid I had not healed enough. I argued that emptying my pool for the sake of appearance was a waste of resources and that an group of healers healing efficiently could save many situations that they could not if they went all out. There is something awesome about saving the day (or attempt) in a raid by blowing your emergency mana.

Those where the days... well actually I like the way the game is now more but nostalgia is a powerful thing. I there is anything mechanically I would like to change now it would be making healing more about efficiency again... not to the point of needing healing rotations but you get the point.

I agree, when I play my priest (rarely now - stopped because it was too easy), I still play efficiently. I see many other priests doing 40-60% over healing (ending with 2% mana) and while I never frown upon them I always smile when I see the same healing done by me only 10-15% of it being over healing and 50% of my mana remaining. People can argue that "whats the point, aslong as the job gets done" and I certainly don't disagree but, if efficiency became important - the priest would certainly be a fun class for me to play again, and me making it efficient is the only way I can bear to get through heroics, weekly's or whatever raid I feel like running for a few extra emblems.

Gluteas
02-11-2010, 02:39 AM
the only reason I made my priest was because of the the way PoM sounded. Of course I also enjoyed the way Lifebloom sounded (when it finished), but hands down imo a priest is greater than a druid, and that is why I have an 80 priest and only a lvl 31 druid lol.

Gluteas & Glutlolol. ;-D

hatt
02-11-2010, 09:56 AM
For anyone who plays a priest, you have my respect. I honestly tried playing a priest, but gave up after level 5 since it was just so slow compared to other classes. I did take what I learned about kiting though, and right now I'm levelling a mage, which seems to be more gratifying.

Kright
02-11-2010, 10:52 AM
I actually switched my main from resto druid to priest. As a tree, I could pump out a lot on the meters, and there was a lot of versatility, but I feel much stronger as a priest. With disc and holy asmy dualspec, I can comfortably fill either tank healing or raid healing while having new tools available to me when doing either. It keeps variety in there. I'm a holy priest first and foremost now, andI have to say I've never regretted switching from a tree. Renew is my filler spell, and it's gotten extremely strong. Using it along with all the procs, stacking and cooldowns that priest has available to it is MUUUUCH more enjoyable than standing around mainly mashing rejuv.

I dunno, but in general I beat out resto druids on meters anyway, so it's really win/win. I enjoy the variety and number of spells that holy priest has, and I can beat out resto druids to boot, except on fights where Blizzard has blatantly designed the damage for blanket rejuving (even then I can be REALLY close).

Rawtorp
02-11-2010, 03:01 PM
I see that you have your marmot up for the week Aliena, but is Lore not doing his this week. Checked youtube and the site and i dont see it.

Aliena
02-11-2010, 03:27 PM
He's putting it together atm from what I gathered.

jack445
02-11-2010, 04:15 PM
Well, I started playing priest as shadow in tbc, but quickly changed to holy, which I seemed to enjoy more. Not going to change this any time soon.

Thanks for another Marmot :)

i2izzy
02-11-2010, 05:46 PM
Up to this point Ive healed with every heal capable class except the druid. The class itself bored me so never got past lvl 25 jack of all trades master of none just made it a pain to stick with. Unfortunately my Priest healing days ended back in BC before the priest trees were changed so never got a taste for the OP CoH or PoH . In wrath the only classes Ive lvld that can heal are paladin & shaman. I have to say what I wouldn't give to be able to play my priest again when he had so much versatility as a healer. With my pally I get bored to being assigned to tank heals & spamming Holy light & with the shaman i get bored cause of his OP chain heal. nothing like the days with my priest back in vanilla & early BC. This latest post might get me to lvl my priest again after all I only lvld my shaman when the totem bar was introduced & wanted to check it out of curiosity. I wish I had continued playing & might have known what a OP priest healer was guess we'll have to wait for Cataclysm to see how the healer classes get changed.

Riptides
02-12-2010, 06:38 AM
Currently I enjoy playing my holy priest much more than my tank, but my Warrior tank being my main, takes all precedence over my playing another class regularly and I've not even had the chance to step into ICC yet on my healer.

My wife enjoys more alt leveling and doing 5mans than raiding and she just got a druid to 80 (her 4th) a few weeks back and while she wasn't around I decided to jump on her druid and try my hand at resto'ing heroics and pugging into some 10's to get her new character up to speed to start farming for frost badges and found that compared to my priest, healing on a druid is stupid easy. You can literally set the druid on auto-follow to another caster class, throw out some HoTs, and go make a sammich or watch YouTube and not be afraid of failing. As the Triumphs came rolling in and I started upgrading it only got easier from that point. It took me weeks of heroics and upgrading into Tier gear before i felt comfortable stepping into 10's on the priest but over the course of one day I went from heroics to 10mans on the druid without missing a beat and still not being what I would call decently geared at all. The one day of heroics helped me replace the quest greens with some decent epics but it wasn't like I went from quest/non-h blues into tier gear before I jumped into these raids. It's no wonder that every raid formed on my server tends to choose Resto Druids over Holy Priests when available, they're much more consistent and don't require that the healer be geared on par in order to heal the content.

Edited to add:
If you are very familiar with the raiding content a Resto Druid is a much more proactive healer than a Holy Priest by miles, the only way I find a Priest to be better is in the utility of dispels and instant group heals, which with the right player on the Druid pretty much cancels out the need for big instant group heals.

Lux Cura
02-14-2010, 08:53 PM
First: The cake is TRUE, you can't see it because I ate it.
Second: Hai 2 Sao
Third: Sao made a Priest due to the reason she said, but the main one that she forgot to mention was this BAD Shaman healer and later BAD Druid healer needed to be carried through content and Sao need to pick his slack up :D
Forth: I found you... Are you still in touch with Tittar?

Anyway I miss your raid heals loved your videoblog and will go through your work, maybe I can learn to finally heal propely ;)

Gulrick
03-13-2010, 08:54 AM
did i miss the last marmot from you Aliena i have not seen one in a while?