View Full Version : The Weekly Marmot -- A Healer QQ

01-04-2010, 10:25 PM

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01-04-2010, 10:31 PM
stop pushing the cancel button ciderhelm!

01-04-2010, 11:36 PM
Canceled again, QQ! But donor upload will be up in a few seconds.

01-05-2010, 04:12 AM
Awesome out-takes =)

01-05-2010, 05:07 AM
Most important question: Where can I buy that t-shirt? I think you have mentioned a store in an earlier video... but I'm to lazy to see through all of them just to find it.

01-05-2010, 05:46 AM
Cider u gonna start making videos soon?

01-05-2010, 05:58 AM
So do you feed the fish the left overs? So our guild has taken up this idea. If the tank dies its the healers fault. If a healer dies its the tanks fault. If a dps dies its there own fault. Since I dont tank on my druid anymore but heal I find that I enjoy your videos more.

01-05-2010, 06:44 AM
My favorite is when I was playing my priest to get 2 frost badges a day to get enough saronite to craft my druids boots:

2 DKs in the group and the tank had terrible gear so the dps dk had more hp than the tank dk. The tank dies and starts going off on me. I told him I was spaming him and he should get better gear and logged on my warrior while my 15 minute deserter reset. When i logged back on my priest I checked his death log only to realize I had been spam healing the DPS dk.


01-05-2010, 06:54 AM
Your videos always make me smile lol, I dont know if its the voice the face or just the way your explaining things, lol I came up with a new phrase for wipes

Surgeon Generals Warning: Whirlwinds and or Fire may be hazardous to your health and in most cases will cause death, Rogues and Warriors that are expecting should not stand in either as it may lead to serious complications

01-05-2010, 07:21 AM
Most important question: Where can I buy that t-shirt? I think you have mentioned a store in an earlier video... but I'm to lazy to see through all of them just to find it.

J!NX : Less QQ More Pew Pew T-shirt - Clothing for Gamers & Geeks (http://www.jinx.com/men/shirts/video_games/less_qq_more_pew_pew.html)

01-05-2010, 07:38 AM
They discontinued the women's version of the shirt which does actually make me QQ.

01-05-2010, 08:59 AM
Surgeon Generals Warning: Whirlwinds and or Fire may be hazardous to your health and in most cases will cause death, Rogues and Warriors that are expecting should not stand in either as it may lead to serious complications

Very nice. I think I stole the quote from Cider, but there was a time when I was explaining Marrowgar to some people that hadn't seen the instance before and I said with a very straight face something to the effect of "Standing in fire has been scientifically proven to be a leading cause of severe burns and even death. Don't do it, it hurts." One of the new recruit healers we had busted out laughing on vent and made me repeat it. Then she laughed even harder. It took a while for her to regain composure before we could engage the encounter. :)

01-05-2010, 09:00 AM
Wow is the first game I've played where most people don't pay attention to the finer aspects of the game. When playing my priest, this drives me nuts.

People (read: pugs) need to understand that these are cooperative attempts to reach a shared goal, and that, as individuals, they should strive to make the ride as smooth as they can. It's selfish to believe that performance is only based on damage meters.

There's typically no such thing as "I died because I didn't get any heals". Be aware of your surroundings, don't use healers as a crutch. If an interrupt will prevent a lot of healing, then take a tick off your rotation to do it. If a kill order is helpful to get rid of problematic/explosive mobs first, then follow directions and don't try to AOE just to pad your dps meter. And please.. disrupt and kill anything that heals first.

Then again, most of us out-gear much of the content these days and people tend to fall back on bad habits of brute-forcing encounters instead of using a more analytical approach.

Also, less QQ, moar Shadow Priest pew pew please :x

01-05-2010, 09:00 AM
why do i have this curse on me and why are there so many curse out

01-05-2010, 09:15 AM
That table is awesome.

Healing and tanking are thankless jobs. That makes the odd compliment so much the sweeter. Or is that just me?

I really need to get back into raiding. Festergut and Rotface looks like really fun encounters and while I have not seen the Professor Putricide it smells like it will be very complex and very interesting. I have got to get back into raiding.

01-05-2010, 10:13 AM
Also, less QQ, moar Shadow Priest pew pew please :x

As a druid...I love Spriests, every spriest I come across seems to be a diamond in the rough...something about Mana Batteries just makes me smile, not that Im always running out of mana just knowing its almost impossible for me to get under 10k makes me happy.

As my guilds really just getting going after a long long break, talking about just after BC popped, its great to find a few more selfless healers other than myself that are just happy to get things done, sure I've bashed and gotten rid of a few terribads, but overall my experiences with fellow healers are far greater than with my DPS, Tanks seem to be the only neutral ground, as for us it feels like the entire raid is resting on our shoulders, if one of us fails its end game for everyone.

DPS can sometimes be lacking and get carried through we've all seen it, hell if your 3 healing you can even have a lightweight healer, last night I had a Priest healing through ICC 10 not a hard raid but nonetheless, myself and the Shaman were doing 35-40% respectively each, I was assigned to raid healing, and as theres not a whole hell of a lot of raid healing to be done you can assume I just ended up picking up the slack of the Priest, worked well til Saurfang then we just made the priest go to his Shadow spec lol he ended up somehow healing more than we did, still doesnt make sense to me, but whatever another raid down and new ones to come, cant wait for the next hour or two to pass

01-05-2010, 12:42 PM
gotta say, i like that coffee table. Why is it distracting?? are you eating in front of the tv?

Ever since the dungeon LFG tool ive found many players who arent aware of their class mechanics during certain encounters. I believe its too easy to level so you a lot of alts but thats a dif story.

Many times i find melee standing in front of a boss, healers in cleave range plus many many more little examples that i think most people arent even aware they are doing. As someone who enjoys tanking i try to help players through the encounter and you shouldnt really worry a whole lot if someone dies. Only in naxx did 100% survivability actually count for anything "undying/immortal". Its a game, too many people forget that. Sometimes you lag. I dont need to list the excuses im sure you all have heard many.

I forget where i was going with that, but yeaa.... PEOPLE DIE. dont worry your pretty little head.

01-05-2010, 03:12 PM
Good Show, I have a lot of problems with DPS especially blaming the healer, after they pulled aggro

01-05-2010, 03:34 PM
I think this is the classic Healer QQ, but one that is more than merited. I recommend to all dpsers to roll a healing toon and try it. It is not easy at ALL especially if you have dumb dps. As my healing mentor and best WoW buddy Misu says, "I don't heal stupid...." (stupid there is a noun). My priest healer is slowly overtaking my main as my favorite toon, and the perspective healing has given me as a dps is invaluable.

On a side note...on my main (a mage) I was told by a warlock in our guild (who has since left) that I sucked because I was the lowest damage done of the three mages we were running with. I replied to her...check the interrupt and dispel meters...I'll beat them every time. More importantly my actual dps was higher than theirs, but because I chose to decurse, interrupt, and generally watch my surroundings, my overall damage was lower. I think you need both kinds of dps in raids...focused faceroll and conscientious survivor...in the end they balance one another out. The facerollers just don't care about their healers like we survivors do. :)

01-05-2010, 04:32 PM
I don't run into it as much anymore. It was more back when DK's where all the rage. I was running Heroics to get badges... They were running them to apparently learn to tank. And no I have had this problem with other classes of tanks. Anyway this is how the scenario goes.

Got a pug group. Tank Deeps and myself. the healer. WE start out the heroic. I find out the tank apparently has tunnel vision and can only hold aggro on one target at a time. So I heal him...at first... Then the mobs begin hating me so they want to tell me how they feel about this whole deal. So I go to healing myself. The tank dies from that one mob he had totally under control. I am still healing myself. Some of the smart Deeps are trying to get the angry mobs off me. I heal. I heal. Myself and one deeps are left standing after the pull. Here is the Conversation than ensues.

Tank: what the hell?
Me: what?
Tank: where were the heals?
Me: The same place as the aggro... on me.

Yeah it happens... Just something else to laugh at.

01-06-2010, 07:30 AM
Tank: where were the heals?
Me: The same place as the aggro... on me.

I will totally be using this line. Awesome!

01-06-2010, 01:15 PM
Shut up and heal my pet. :P

01-07-2010, 12:35 AM
I have a Disc Priest, at one time both Disc/Holy speced for raids, and a Restor Shaman. I have found with the new LFG there are tanks that feel they can just run through an instance and that the healer will heal them, and the rest of the group, when they pulled 3-5 mob groups. They are under the impression that the Heroics have gotten easier since the new LFG came out so why not just pull multiple mobs. And when I say 3-5 mob groups, I am not talking 3-5 NPC's, I am talking 3-5 groups of 3 to 4 in each group. The one time I was able to heal thru one of these encounters and one of the DPSers said nice heals. The tank, who was oblivious to the whole fight, since he did not hold aggro on all 12 NPCs, typed a ? in party chat. He then proceeded, like a lot of other tanks in LFG, to continue to rush thru the heroic oblivious to the amount of mana I had after his 3 mob group encounters, coming within one more mob hit from wiping the run.

When I first played WoW over 5yrs ago I was a tank. I learned that as a tank you need to keep aggro on all mobs and to keep an eye on other toon's healths as this was an indicator of lost aggro and possible mob on the lose. Most tanks these days do not do this and when the run wipes and the tank asks why this happened and you tell them that 2 mobs were beating on me, they ask why I didn't say something. Like I have time to heal myself and type a message in party chat that most likely won't be read.

01-07-2010, 09:55 AM
Yeah hammer your right, seems like anymore no one cares to look at the situation before pulling. i run a tank and a healer and I know where your coming from when i heal. Makes you wonder sometimes, I have a bad habit of just letting everyone die to get my point across.

May get you voted out and called a bad healer, or the tank/dps will get the idea.

01-07-2010, 12:52 PM
Whenever the blame game is played in pugs, I never seem to come up with a good comeback like the ones you gave as an example in the video. I typically don't get blamed for things (luck of the draw I suppose) but there have been a few times (in a pug) where people have asked "What happened" and all I can say is what I saw on the unit frames, e.g. "He got aggro and was one-shotted". I suppose I can chalk that up to healer tunnel vision, something I'm always trying to improve.

01-07-2010, 04:19 PM
That ...is the coolest effin table I have ever seen.

Kudos to your parents. That's just awwwwwesome!

01-07-2010, 08:55 PM
Loved the topic this week sooo tru. (and cool table) I have noticed that it has lead to healers myself included constantly apologizing if someone dies (mostly seen in five mans). I have to get back in the habit of oh sorry you died since u don't know what los pull means o_0

hmm that sounded meanish but u get the point lol.

also noticing allot of people assuming thier gear is at thier level or that if ur x class u can automatically do y

mostly seen in heroics tanks in good gear or heck even in bad gear assume they can chain pull. I think in part because I am a druid. Granted now they can since they really have to try to die in order for me to need mana but a few pieces ago not so much.

also, since i already started rambling want to finish o_0, I love when people stand in fire even after I warn them I always intend to just let em die but I just am not always that mean o_0

01-08-2010, 06:03 PM
All the complaints about healers despite how rare we are led me to quit healing for a while
When I returned to healing I figured I'd be a hardass & use macros to warn pugs that I don't heal or resurrect stupid players so learn to run from the GY if you fall into this category. You'd be surprised how often people learn to assist the tank & let them pull once they die more than once & realize that I was being serious about not healing stupid. As for eager tanks who want to do speed runs I'll stay back & let them die & tell them I was lagging or out of range cause I have this thing called mana that I need to cast a heal maybe they should pay attention to this instead of chain pulling. Ive also tanked so I know how important the healers role is so I save my taunts for healers if a dps die they die they get warned that my taunts are reserved for healers

01-08-2010, 09:20 PM
I must confess that my wife and I have 14 aquariums in our home--so I cannot do anything but admire your parent's obssession.

The blue Johannii african cichlid at the front of your tank are generally some of the most aggressive species for their size--usually tough to tame down.

You guys have an absolutely amazing male bubblebee african cichlid. His dorsal trail is nicely established!

I thought I saw an orange gourami in the background also--although, I'm surprised he's surviving in the higher pH of an african cichlid arrangement.

Anyhow, just wanted to say your aquarium is top notch--coming from a fellow hobbyist. You should post pictures of it and the fish over on Monster Fish Keepers (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com).

When I was shopping for a 300g fish tank last year, I almost bought a table just like the one you guys own from glasscages.com. Those things are quite on the expensive side though. My wife wouldn't allow me to replace her livingroom table, though, so I went with a wall tank instead to keep the peace.

Oh, and as far as the topic is concerned, when playing my healer, I usually just tell the group when we begin, "No matter what happens within the next 30 minutes, folks, I will confess to you right now that it's entirely my fault and I will take 100% of the blame."

They usually just laugh about it, and then when something happens that's not my fault, I tease the group member and state, "Well, looks like John wanted to share the blame with me. It's alright, John, I'll give you a minute in the spotlight!"

Of course, similar responses keep the group mood on the light side, and unless things are really bad, there aren't too many complaints.

In raids, though, I send tells right away if someone is causing me to work harder than I should. Of course, that is where I tend to QQ as a healer.