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Lex01
12-09-2009, 07:46 AM
Just curious as to how you all are prioritizing the use of your emblems of frost.

I'm really digging the 95 emblem chest piece Cataclysmic Chestguard
Cataclysmic Chestguard - Items - Sigrie (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50968/cataclysmic-chestguard/)

gabbu
12-09-2009, 08:19 AM
I am most likely going for the stam trinket first because Juggernaut seems to hate me :), though the on use seems pretty weak.

Corroded Skeleton Key - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50356)

Dreadski
12-09-2009, 10:02 AM
Gonna be chest, then trinket, then gloves, then belt.

Theotherone
12-09-2009, 11:11 AM
For Tank it's: Sentinel's Winter Cloak - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50466), then Corroded Skeleton Key - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50356)

I am sick of the freaking Naxx 25 cloak I can't get rid of.

For Hunter it's Recovered Scarlet Onslaught Cape - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50470) and then Band of the Night Raven - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50993)

As you can tell I have horrible luck with cloak drops.

Takethecake
12-09-2009, 11:23 AM
Isn't all the T10.0 / T10.25 purchased with Emblems of Frost as well?

With the set bonus for T10 for pretty much all classes being so outstanding I would think most people would be shooting for those pieces fairly early.

winterbourne
12-09-2009, 12:38 PM
Its really a matter of what you are driving right now. For me, I side totally with Theotherone: My tanking cloak is so underpowered ( i have no luck getting the ToC cloak) this is the single largest jump forward for me, bar none. That being said, I think this cloak stands up on its own as at least a decent upgrade from nearly any early cloak.

Bottom line, focus on the weakest pieces of your arsenal for replacement. there is the first big +stam trinket available for emblems in a fair bit, if I remember correctly. I'm in the 232 non-set chest right now, so that is a bit lower on my radar.

loquatious
12-09-2009, 12:40 PM
T10 has to be my priority - the other stuff is fantastic but second priority

Athenodorus
12-09-2009, 03:00 PM
Cloak first, then Stamina trinket. Meanwhile, pay heavily for saronite and craft legs.

Bihn
12-10-2009, 01:29 PM
A lot of it is going to depend on what gear drops for me on the way, but right now I'm planning on doing two 60 badge pieces before the next wing comes out (though presumably there should be just enough badges to do a 95 and a 50 badge item)

Out of those, given my current gear set (and I suspect most people's current gear set), the belt is the best option. Unless you have no stam trinkets at all and/or a sub-par chest piece, I'm fairly certain the belt is going to be your best first option, too. Out of all of the bonus armor pieces, you lose the least amount of dodge by getting the gloves (red socket with +9 stamina socket bonus!) and you gain more stamina than you would by just replacing even the normal version of Satrina's/Juggernaut's with the new badge trinket.

So, choosing the belt first you get:
-More stam than upgrading either the 245/258 trinket
-~750 more armor than the 245 belt (a bit more than .5% damage reduction increase at my armor level, it will be more if you have less armor)
-The least amount of dodge loss from replacing any of the other 245/258 tanking options (assuming you use a 10dodge/15 stamina gem)

I agree that that chest is monstrous, though, for many of the same reasons the belt and gloves are. And unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to get too in depth with the tier gear yet, so that might end up being even more desirable.

Aggathon
12-10-2009, 04:42 PM
If you get the gloves and belt it is a bigger stat upgrade than the chest, and it allows you to get 2 items before the next wing opens instead of just 1. Once more wings open it'll be a lot easier to pick up things.

I think I may just skip T10, at least for now, in favor of the offset pieces. The offset pieces give you roughly 3k more armor and 630 more hit points. I'm thinking the 2pc might be worth the small drop in stats choosing the T10 shoulders over the other drop shoulders. So I think my order will go:

Belt
Gloves
Chest
Helm
Shoulders
Cloak

Depending on if I get other drops, I may move up the cloak depending on if the helm or shoulders drop before then.

Kojiyama
12-10-2009, 05:16 PM
Posted my thoughts about this in another thread earlier:

(I never got lucky with the Anub-10H tribute cloak drop, as the tanking one has never dropped for us... so the relative value of the cloak is pretty high compared to the Jaraxxus-25H one.)


... the T10 for Warriors is pretty underwhelming.

The badge gloves, cloak, and waist especially are much larger (and better value) upgrades than any of the T10 pieces. Additionally, the only super-great T10 pieces until you are killing heroic-25 bosses are the Helm and Shoulders, which are fairly expensive.

Even then, the other badge pieces are actually bigger slot upgrades than the Helm and Shoulders, at a lower cost.

The T10 Gloves are not very good at all, the T10 legs are pretty bad compared to the crafted ones, and the T10 chest is really not better (and arguably worse) than the badge chest until you can turn it into the 277 version. (It is very similar if you have the normal 25-man version, at the expense of taking a token from a fellow raider for almost no immediate upgrade.)






My current badge plan is:
Badge Gloves
Badge Waist
Badge Cloak
Badge Chest
Set Shoulders
Set Helm
Set Chest (someday, when I get my 3rd heroic-25 token)
Set Gloves (someday, when I get my 4th heroic-25 tokens)
Although the 4-set is an interesting bonus, I doubt I will be aiming for the 4-set bonus until I have access to 4 heroic tokens, which cause the Chest to pull away from the badge version. (Although the 277 T10 gloves are still similar to the survival value of the badge gloves with higher EH bias, it would be worth the 4-set bonus if you had the other 3.)
It's also worth noting that the shoulders are only really good if you are trying specfically to get the set bonus. The Boneguard Commander Pauldrons (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50003) are otherwise better due to the extra (and better colored) socket. They are close enough to warrent swapping them if you really want the 2-set bonus (which is nice) but if, for instance, the shoulders dropped for me I would probably put off buying the T10 shoulders until after the helm for sure--I'm not totally certain I won't do that anyway, given how long it takes to get badges.

(I'm actually a bit sad in regard to the state of the tanking set pieces... was hoping for them to be nice, but they just aren't. Low number of sockets, strange itemization, and stronger alternatives doesn't make them that attractive.)

Aggathon
12-10-2009, 05:30 PM
Posted my thoughts about this in another thread earlier:

(I never got lucky with the Anub-10H tribute cloak drop, as the tanking one has never dropped for us... so the relative value of the cloak is pretty high compared to the Jaraxxus-25H one.)


http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47436 (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47436) ??

The stat differences are:
+564 Armor+25 str+8 stam(-) 9 defense(-)1 dodge(-)43 expertise

The cloak is definitely a must have, but it's not as big of an upgrade as many other things.



It's also worth noting that the shoulders are only really good if you are trying specfically to get the set bonus. The Boneguard Commander Pauldrons (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50003) are otherwise better due to the extra (and better colored) socket. They are close enough to warrent swapping them if you really want the 2-set bonus (which is nice) but if, for instance, the shoulders dropped for me I would probably put off buying the T10 shoulders until after the helm for sure--I'm not totally certain I won't do that anyway, given how long it takes to get badges.

Hey looky here! Something else we completely agree on... speaking of I want your opinion on the T10 shenanigans, check out my thread please!
http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/59680-t10-set-bonuses-worth.html

Kojiyama
12-10-2009, 05:43 PM
The armor is fairly valuable at the moment, at least for me.

Suppose it depends on how much one values the expertise, but from the looks of it with Misdirection being made uber now threat is really even more of a non-issue than it was before.

The cloak is fairly cheap at 50 badges, and for me it seems like a better upgrade than the helm at 95.

In regard to the shoulders, the problem there is that the 264 Shoulders are a better upgrade than the cloak, but the 251 Shoulders are not...so unless I steal a token from someone (which I'm not inclined to do, for reasons you cover in the other thread) it doesn't seem so great.

Aggathon
12-10-2009, 05:59 PM
Oh ya, I'm not even considering the 251 gear. And ya, like I said the cloak is definitely a upgrade, but at least for me, the gloves, belt, and chest are all better for me by a bit. what order I get the T10/Cloak in really depends on what drops for me. If I get the offset helm and/or shoulders to drop, I'm gonna pick up the cloak first.

Kojiyama
12-13-2009, 03:44 PM
Perhaps interesting, perhaps not... I did some quick math on the the survival upgrades each piece would offer me personally, divided by the emblem cost.

Note, some of this is quite relative to your actual situation with gear...this really only strictly applies to someone with a typical loadout of the better non-Anub TotGC items and such. And, as always, ranking of gear is subjective, depends on what you already have, fight parameters, etc. yadda yadda. ;)

This omits pieces that are a downgrade from my current gear.



Sanctified Ymirjar Lord's Pauldrons 1.519
Gauntlets of the Kraken 1.400
Verdigris Chain Belt 1.086
Sanctified Ymirjar Lord's Greathelm 0.957
Sentinel's Winter Cloak 0.857
Sanctified Ymirjar Lord's Handguards 0.670
Sanctified Ymirjar Lord's Breastplate 0.439
Ymirjar Lord's Greathelm 0.341
Cataclysmic Chestguard 0.165

Has helped me to look at it as a perspective of upgrade/badges, so perhaps it is useful.

Bihn
12-13-2009, 04:01 PM
I think that's interesting. I'd like to hear a more in depth description of your process.
What is the unit you are using? Survivability(however you define it) per badge?

You and I have the same gloves and belt and my mental math placed the badge belt above the gloves (I also have the extra blacksmithing socket, though I don't think that effects the calculation). Unless I'm missing something, the belt has better gem slots at the expensive of only 11 armor. Everything else is equivalent.

Kojiyama
12-13-2009, 06:40 PM
While the items themselves have very (almost oddly!) similar stats, the delta compared to the other items is a bit different.

The difference basically comes down to +11 Armor, and +20 Dodge (delta) for the Gloves at a loss of -15 Stamina. (Depending on how you socket it, of course... but this is keeping in mind that you do have to live without both for a little while, so the loss of dodge in the waist slot is greater than the glove slot for me, plus the minor bit of armor. In a vacuum, the belt is very slightly better than the gloves for the reasons you mentioned.)

Both are very good upgrades, though. The other consideration is also that, realistically, the 258 belt is still quite obtainable from Jaraxxus (while the 258 gloves are a bit more of a crapshoot given the limited availability, and depending on if your guild is doing Anub-25H) so the gloves are probably the best bet initially. From what I can see, initially the belt is a pretty small upgrade over the Heroic Girdle of Bloodied Scars, which isn't too difficult to get now for most guilds.

As with all things, everything is relative to what you have already. :)

The upgrade scale is the upgrade of burst time per slot--which I typically use when looking at survivability--divided by the badge cost. Some other models could be looked at, but would probably give similar results. Rawr has recently added a new feature that lets you insert costs (not sure if it's in the public build yet though) to things and view Direct Upgrades/Cost, which is what I was playing around with to generate that list. Once there's a release with it, should be easy enough for anyone to muck about with it.

Just thought it might be interesting to post.

Dragaan
12-13-2009, 07:29 PM
I think the non-tier armor pieces are very, very strong items. The huge boost in armor I'm sure would be awesome for progressing through the heroics, but they aren't available just yet and nothing really warrants absolute max survival gear right now. The 2p t10 bonus is just too amazing to pass up, so I'll be buying at least 2 pieces of t10 first. I should hopefully have at least 1 token to purchase the mid-grade t10 by then.

Regill
12-13-2009, 10:33 PM
Based on what gear I already have, which pieces are still 245, and which are 258, I'm upgrading with frost emblems this way:

t10 shoulders (have a token for mid level already or this wouldn't be first)
offset Chest (still have 245 currently)
offset Gloves (still have 245 currently)
Belt (have 258 so lower priority)
Cloak (have 258 so lower priority)
t10 helm (should have another token by this point) to complete 2pc t10 bonus

All that may change depending on drop luck of course. If by some miracle I get a 258 chest before I build up enough badges, the order will change. I'm more trying to illustrate the type of thinking you should go through when planning. Upgrade your weakest slots first, don't just rely on some order posted here. Notice that the trinket isn't even on my list, because I have double juggernauts and glyph already, but it might be high on yours if you have poor trinket luck. Then again I think we are all lusting after the Organ from ten man...

Shenron
12-13-2009, 11:44 PM
I will most probably getting the tier pieces first as you can upgrade them with the tokens bit by bit. I was thinking about the trinket, but the use effect seems a bit week, and the 30 stam upgrade doesn't seem like something to gasp about.

Xianth
12-14-2009, 01:21 AM
As I only have access to 10 man gear, the only cloak upgrade since 219 i've had access to is the tribute chest, which i haven't won. So, i'm pretty sure i'm gonna end up going for the badge cloak first.

makiwara
12-16-2009, 10:23 AM
The trinket is very alluring but I'm not desperate for it. I'm probably going to get T10 shoulders.

Bodasafa
12-16-2009, 12:19 PM
I'm starting to think hoarding my emblems might be the best bet for the next several weeks until the next gate opens. Originally I had considered the trinket given that is my lowest piece at 226. But with one of the same stamina and better use the Fang coming later it seems like that would be a waste of 60 badges. Plus we are going to continue in ToGC 25 so chances of double Satrina's are possible.

I have tanked all the 10/25 ICC boss available with the gear I have now, so waiting on some drops from the first 4 for till the next gate opens and then re-evaluating priorities seems like a smart move.

Stompya
12-16-2009, 01:56 PM
I am playing it safe, going for the cloak and belt first, since they are both pretty much guaranteed to last as close to BiS.

Then according to what drops come my way I will evaluate the tier10 x crafter and badge gear, the crafted legs being the most alluring to me at this point.

Hamburglar
12-16-2009, 02:49 PM
Getting helm and gloves for 2pc and then getting cape and trinket.

Aggathon
12-16-2009, 04:39 PM
Getting helm and gloves for 2pc and then getting cape and trinket.

The badge gloves are WAAAYYY better than tier gloves, if you're getting 2pc first, go with shoulders/helm.

Wars
12-16-2009, 04:41 PM
At the moment I'm unfortunately rocking 2 Avoidance trinkets(corpse tongue coin/indom glyph), so my first purchase is going to have to be the trinket. That baby is good enough that I can stop praying for a juggernaut's vitality.

Aggathon
12-16-2009, 05:38 PM
How is glyph of indominability an avoidance trinket other than the on use.

Wars
12-16-2009, 05:40 PM
I'm sorry I mispoke, I meant to say I lack a "stamina trinket" which would suit my gear better at the moment.

Eravian
12-17-2009, 07:49 AM
Yeah, there's a lot of tempting gear choices out there with the new loot, but as much as I'd like to buy some of the Tier pieces or off-set pieces, I see no way around buying the cloak first, to replace my Cloak of the Shadowed Sun from Naxx... it'll be worth it just to get that skull off of my back...
That being said, I'd like to get the helm and the belt too, or the stam trinket (still using the Brewfest one... :-( ), but I'll probably just keep trying for the ToC belt and pick up the Glyph of Indomitability, using my upgraded gear in other slots to keep my stam about the same, but with much more armor.
Also, I need to set up some Ashen Verdict Rep farming runs to just clear trash over and over again for that amazing ring... anyone know if there's a cap to what you can get on rep in the 10-man or 25-man normal modes?

kallen
12-17-2009, 08:13 AM
I have tanked all the 10/25 ICC boss available with the gear I have now, so waiting on some drops from the first 4 for till the next gate opens and then re-evaluating priorities seems like a smart move.

This is what I will be doing aswell.

Mert
12-17-2009, 08:22 AM
anyone know if there's a cap to what you can get on rep in the 10-man or 25-man normal modes?

MMO-C reported people being at Exalted within about three days of the patch, so I would assume there is no cap, or that the cap is astronomically high.

Hamburglar
12-17-2009, 09:37 AM
The badge gloves are WAAAYYY better than tier gloves, if you're getting 2pc first, go with shoulders/helm.

I'd prefer a more balanced set until we see what's needed. The badge gloves are better for EH but stuff is quite simple so far in ICC. I got the Boneguard shoulders already so no need to get the shoulders.

I think its quite clear so far in ICC that EH is not everything.

Suicyco
12-17-2009, 09:40 AM
MMO-C reported people being at Exalted within about three days of the patch, so I would assume there is no cap, or that the cap is astronomically high.

There is no cap, simple rinse and repeat it's ~850~ rep a run I'm currently at 36 more runs till exalted, guildie is already exalted I just dont have the time or patience for the endless trash, although we have gotten some nice shoulders and primordial saronite drops from the trash.

bobola
12-21-2009, 10:53 AM
good question

i think Shoulders because it's my only ilvl245 t9 pieces
and trinket cause toc 25 hm's trinket doesn't loot

Eravian
12-21-2009, 11:44 AM
Hmm... I got the normal 245-lvl Pride of the Eredar last night, so that pushes the importance of upgrading my Cloak down... although the Pride of the Eredar is really ugly...

Now I'm not sure what I'll go for. The belt might be good, since I'm still rocking the Conquest belt, but really any piece is going to be an upgrade for me, since I've got no TotGC loot. I'll have to look closely at it and figure it out.

krc
12-21-2009, 12:49 PM
The belt is the best option in terms of EH, with 2143 armor and 157 stamina with 2 slots and a 9 stamina socket bonus there is no comparison to other belts, it also is better than the majority of belts in an avoidance set even if it's gemmed for stamina. What is also nice is that it only costs 60 EoF compared to the Chest Guard and T10 Helm which both cost 95.

My second choice is the Gloves, with a decent upgrade over my current ones and the Gloves of the Kraken are guaranteed to make it far into ICC.

Kulutues
12-22-2009, 04:42 AM
I'm also wondering about how to spend Frost emblems to preserve being a great tank but also start to obtain T10 pieces. There's a lot of gear to buy.

I've bought the 50-emblem cape first, and I'll buy the 60-emblem belt next. Not only are they the biggest upgrades for me iLvl wise, but if I had bought a 251 T10 set piece, it would either be a very minor upgrade or I would be breaking my set bonuses (most notably the great reduced CD on shield block).

Even when I do start to get T10 pieces, I'll probably wait until I have a couple with tokens to equip them so they bring a bonus of their own and make it worth wearing.

Xintic
12-22-2009, 07:26 AM
My list kinda looks like this atm

Belt
Cloak
Chest (non-set one)

And by the time I've bought those I'm hoping to have picked up a token to be able to buy the 264 helm, and then getting shouders and the non-set gloves. Atm I'm far to attatched with my 2piece T9 bonus, thus not really wanting to drop it until I can replace it with the 2piece T10, choosing helm first so I can still have the bonus meanwhile.

Stompya
12-22-2009, 10:08 AM
So, I kinda went against my plan, belt and cloak would have been by far my best relative upgrades, but for the first time in wotlk I am going to give the set bonuses priority, went for shoulders first, gonna get the helm or legs second (depends on what I am wearing untill then) and go from there, most likely getting also gloves for the 4 set bonus and then filling the other slot with the extra armor stuff.

Horaxe
12-22-2009, 01:36 PM
I grabbed my first piece Thursday, Sanctified Scourgelord Pauldrons (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=51309). My plan is to save up for the trinket Corroded Skeleton Key (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50356). If however, I end up getting more marks before I get the emblems for the trinket, I'll be getting more tier. Until I have my set and trinket. I'm not so worried about the cloak, since I got a heroic TOGC 25 cloak last week. Somewhere in there, I need to get some Primordials too (probably buy them with gold and using alts though).

zaratoustra
12-23-2009, 08:15 AM
Erm i was thinking to get T10.25 legs first. It is a nice upgrade for me cause i dodnt have the chance to get the 258 legs from Jaraxus so atm wearing the tier legs.
Also i got both stamina trinkets and 258 belt. head-chest-hands i ahve the tiers 245.
What do you think?