Ciderhelm
06-08-2007, 06:34 AM
As I brought up here (http://www.eventideguild.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1099), I did renew my account for the purpose of updating the guide on the Warcraft forums; I am not playing the game, so don't attempt to contact me in-game.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108387573&sid=1&pageNo=2
Cruelty is a talent I've had in nearly all of my preferred tank builds. Yet, this was only because all of my other bases were covered first.
At which point did we lose sight of the fact that Crit has never been nor will ever be necessary for tanking under any reasonable circumstance? Not critting should never cause you to lose aggro. If it does, you have a more fundamental problem than a talent change will solve.
Tanking has always been about reliability. It always will be. How can you say, after stacking up enormous amounts of Stamina and Armor instead of Avoidance, that you don't believe this?
The stats that are more important than Crit when tanking as far as Threat is concerned? Hit, for starters. If you don't crit you'll be fine... but if you don't hit? Shield Block Value. Reliable additional damage every six seconds. Attack Power, increased damage for the duration of the fight.
Crit is only good when it in no way detracts from your other stats. Never socket Crit into tank gear. Never pick Cruelty up unless every other talent you need is already covered -- which for same tanks will mean Improved Revenge, Improved Shield Bash, or other 5-man talents. Buffs such as Leader of the Pack -- of course you want them! However, when one suggests that Cruelty is always a good addition to any build, the same could be said of Improved Slam; no talent point actually hurts your player, but the question has always been one of tradeoffs.
Because Prot builds have never been cookie cutter. To suggest they are, or can be, is to suggest an unwillingness to adjust for the fights you struggle with.
I used Cruelty and I loved Cruelty. I used it because I had every other base covered and did not need talents to be both successful and reliable in tanking.
It would be a lie to suggest it is necessary or core to tanking.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108387573&sid=1&pageNo=2
Cruelty is a talent I've had in nearly all of my preferred tank builds. Yet, this was only because all of my other bases were covered first.
At which point did we lose sight of the fact that Crit has never been nor will ever be necessary for tanking under any reasonable circumstance? Not critting should never cause you to lose aggro. If it does, you have a more fundamental problem than a talent change will solve.
Tanking has always been about reliability. It always will be. How can you say, after stacking up enormous amounts of Stamina and Armor instead of Avoidance, that you don't believe this?
The stats that are more important than Crit when tanking as far as Threat is concerned? Hit, for starters. If you don't crit you'll be fine... but if you don't hit? Shield Block Value. Reliable additional damage every six seconds. Attack Power, increased damage for the duration of the fight.
Crit is only good when it in no way detracts from your other stats. Never socket Crit into tank gear. Never pick Cruelty up unless every other talent you need is already covered -- which for same tanks will mean Improved Revenge, Improved Shield Bash, or other 5-man talents. Buffs such as Leader of the Pack -- of course you want them! However, when one suggests that Cruelty is always a good addition to any build, the same could be said of Improved Slam; no talent point actually hurts your player, but the question has always been one of tradeoffs.
Because Prot builds have never been cookie cutter. To suggest they are, or can be, is to suggest an unwillingness to adjust for the fights you struggle with.
I used Cruelty and I loved Cruelty. I used it because I had every other base covered and did not need talents to be both successful and reliable in tanking.
It would be a lie to suggest it is necessary or core to tanking.