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Rort
10-09-2009, 12:38 AM
I am having a issue surviving the Anub on ToC10. I can't understand why since my stats don't seem that bad. I actually ran it with my pally and had no problems surviving the fight but my druid that well out gears him and dies everytime tanking Anub. I seem to take alot of damage and just not from the frozen slash. I usually am running aroun 45% dodge, 54k hp and 32k armor. Just can't figure out why its happening. Is my dodge too low? Do i need to gem more agi?

Skaggi
10-09-2009, 01:26 AM
Hi there!

Please post an armory link and a little more information on the situation. Is it only a swap of drood <--> pally or are more people changing? Do you try to do something different with the drood?

Cheers!
skaggi

Rort
10-09-2009, 01:53 AM
Sorry here is my armory The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Fizzcrank&n=Rort)

I used to tank with my pally all the time (pre 3.2) but then my guild has alot of pallies raiding so it was more raid benefical to tank with my druid which was balance for a long time. Only been tanking with my druid for two months so I am new to it altogether but I feel like i have some idea of what I am doing. I just didn't seem to dodge any attacks tonight while tanking him and was getting hit pretty hard. My pally is about the same avoidance held up way better on anub. So i am thinking I am doing something wrong. Whether it is stacking the wrong stats (gems/enchants) or not itemizing properly i dont know. I have been thinking of dropping the stam trinkets for something else but nothing has droped that has been much better. Please help.


btw i use exp food to get exp capped right now.

Skaggi
10-09-2009, 02:15 AM
I'm not exactly a specialist when it comes to druids *cough* but comparing you with a druidtank who does well didn't bring up anything really worth mentioning. Maybe a bear has a closer look and can bring up some constructive criticism here.

What comes to mind are two things: Druids are more of a soaktank than a pally. Massive amounts of health but more hits taken. The healers have to adjust accordingly or the druid will drop.

Cooldown usage... Druids have more buttons to push and should do so.

I don't know if that helps but alas I don't have to offer more... :(

Cheers!
skaggi

Pappakeno
10-09-2009, 02:21 AM
A question that pops up in my head is , you don't happen to tank the add aswell ?

Shortypop
10-09-2009, 02:48 AM
His Leech in P3 is based on current hp, so you will paradoxically you will feel more spiky as a druid with more hp than a pally but then I'm sure lots of druids tank this fight, so maybe its a combination of you getting used to the druid and your healers?

When are you dieing? Are you getting any debuffs from the mobs in the burrow phase?

Rort
10-09-2009, 02:54 AM
i keep dying at the end of the fight with swarm happening. I pop my cds and have a really good holy pally on me but just seem to alway die at the last 10% or so. Then the OT picks him up. Just seems odd that my druid with way better stats has a harder time tanking this than my pallys does with 38k raid buffed. I rarely have any of the stacking debuff that you get from the bugs in phase two and I am not tanking the add as well. This reminds me, I took both the twins at the same time with no problem but anub gives me a bunch of trouble.

Fetzie
10-09-2009, 03:12 AM
Anub hits like a truck. Combine this with the leeching swarm ticking for 5-10k (cant remember if it is 10 or 20%) and the freezing slash and you have some serious spike damage incoming. From my knowledge druids have base miss only (due to not having 560+ defense skill from gear), and 4.4% avoidance while stunned is considerably less than what your paladin would have (something like 10%).

It seems to me that you have the stars misaligning. We need more information though, can you post a log parse or similar, with all due respect, it is very hard to diagnose tank deaths purely from "I just seem to die".

Draks
10-09-2009, 07:43 AM
One other item to note:

You do not have Infected Wounds or Feral Aggression in your spec. Do you reliably have both attack speed and attack power debuffs on the boss? You could be looking at a vastly larger damage intake if not.

Chamenas
10-09-2009, 07:49 AM
I died last night on Anub at the last couple percent. OT picked him up. It didn't bother me too much, it's just very stressful on the healers at the end there and it's more likely an issue with the healers (not them being bad, just having trouble keeping up) than you. What sort of cooldowns do druids have? I almost wouldn't suggest using any that increase hp...

felhoof
10-09-2009, 10:06 AM
i keep dying at the end of the fight with swarm happening. I pop my cds and have a really good holy pally on me but just seem to alway die at the last 10% or so.There's the problem, right there.

You're stacking stamina instead of using armor/dodge stuff on him (the 54k health tells me that) and then at the last moment, you're popping survival instincts. That gives you 25k health - but it also increases your damage taken by a significant amount just when the healers are trying to struggle to keep you alive. It's a very dangerous thing to do and can result in some big, big hits.

Use SI only as a last resort. Make sure to save barkskin for freezing slashes, and make sure to use frenzied regen. Wear trinkets that have survival cooldowns - or at least don't wear double stamina trinkets.

Finally, if your raid isn't providing the improved demo shout/roar and/or providing infected wounds, you need them. Infected wounds is 20% less melee damage; FA is 5% less melee damage. Both would be better than the threat stuff you're supporting right now.

Rort
10-09-2009, 02:35 PM
Only reason that I don't run FA is because we always run with a ret pally with vindication talented and from what I understand it gives the same debuff. I also have a DK that OTs that has the improved icy touch talent so I dont talent into IW. Since others have those two talents i am not speced into them. Kinda lucky i guess to have a raid comp like that.

I def need new trinkets, sigh. Hopefully one will finally drop for me this weekend. Yet to see any tank trinkets in the last month drop for me

felhoof
10-09-2009, 03:00 PM
You still have defender's code available, right? You still have things like DM:G and heart of iron, right? Or Black Heart, maybe? All of those would be better options than what you're using now.

You'll have to look at your logs to see what the uptime is on vindication and icy touch on the mobs, but yeah - if you can rely on those things you should be okay.

Other than better trinkets and less stamstamstam mentality, make sure you're drinking ironshield pots at the tough part of p3, and if you're really wanting to switch some of your enchants to NR enchants; they'll help quite a bit with damage from swarm.

Xlytol
10-09-2009, 03:37 PM
With the gear you currently have, I can't see why a 'really good holy paladin' should have any problem keeping you up, but ye some other trinkets would be nice.
Save barskin for frozen lashes, call out if debuffs aint up, dont pop surival instincts unless you have to.