View Full Version : All say im bad but am i bad?

07-19-2009, 11:03 AM
Hello i have been palying on this charater for 7 days now. I have been tanking naxx 10/25. And im looking for the upgrades i need so i can go ulduar. I need help with my gear atm if some 1 can help. I am not sure if i got the right gems so i wanted to know if im doing it right. The World of Warcraft Armory (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Xavius&n=Themaliguy)

07-19-2009, 12:23 PM
You're below the defense minimum of 540 for raids, that's bad.

Hello i have been palying on this charater for 7 days now.

You've been playing the toon for seven days? I take it you were given (or bought) the toon. There are lots of guides for tanking, and more specifically paladin, tanking on this website. I'd suggest reading them and practicing in five mans before subjecting a group of 9/24 people to your "learning curve".

07-19-2009, 01:23 PM
You will have trouble playing a Paladin if you did not level as one. Level one to 80, then try to tank. You'll do much better. Part of learning to play (let alone tank) includes starting from scratch and learning how to use your new skills as you attain them; so you don't start with 500 skills you have no idea how to use. No matter how many guides you read or who you talk to, you're not going to be as good as you would be if you started from scratch.

07-19-2009, 01:44 PM
No gem on the waist, no enchant on the pants or shoulders, and you only have one glyph spot used up. This is on top of not having 540 def, which is one of the single most important stats to have in all of tanking. That's what I noticed from your armory.

07-19-2009, 03:13 PM
If everyone says you are bad and you are not really experienced, good chance they are right :)

Read some basic guides, get your keyboard setup correctly, practice in 5 mans and you will do fine. Sadly, its not really that hard!

07-19-2009, 03:32 PM
Hello i have been palying on this charater for 7 days now. I have been tanking naxx 10/25. And im looking for the upgrades i need so i can go ulduar. I need help with my gear atm if some 1 can help. I am not sure if i got the right gems so i wanted to know if im doing it right. The World of Warcraft Armory (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Xavius&n=Themaliguy)

im not sure if your bad or not, iv never seen you play your class.. but what im going to quote is what is bugging me.

Hello i have been palying on this charater for 7 days now. I have been tanking naxx 10/25.

you have been playing for seven days? that suggests you bought that toon... thats where im getting confused.

07-19-2009, 03:56 PM
OMG squats posted while i was still pondering how to down derage my comments,

Hello i have been playing on this character for 7 days now. I have been tanking naxx 10/25.
Damn...posts like this makes you dislike E-bay accounts even more...hehe

I figured u a E-bayer since if its a inherited account from a friend, he would have at least taught u to use the toon, unless hes a complete idiot.
Hope u learn how to use ur toon, and plz don't join groups with out telling em u don't know what ur doing so they can be ready for it, or replace u if they don't dare have u...

07-19-2009, 08:57 PM
By only playing 7 days, he could be saying that he's played the character 7 full days, not just played WOW 7 days.

I lvled my pally in about 12 days of playable time. There is a difference and it may not mean he's bought the character, it may mean he just lvled really, really fast. Now if he meant that he's only played WOW 7 days, that's a different story.

Nevertheless, please get your Defense up to 540. I'm surprised with your gear that you aren't defense capped, even for Heroics (535). I don't have the gear you do and I'm at 546, but then I stacked defense first because I read Tankspot.

Muffin Man
07-19-2009, 09:40 PM
Well aside from gearing issues that have been pointed out, usually when a group says you're bad they mean you have threat problems. That's not really a gear issue, since only the healers are going to talk about that and even a crit in Naxx isn't game ending (depending on your healers). But ya... fix your gear.

In case it is a threat issue read the pally guides and figure out the 969 rotation or whatever it is you guys use.

07-19-2009, 10:43 PM
Well, assuming he tanks Naxx and Patchwerk crits him and wipes the raid people are going to call him a bad player regardless of how well he plays his class.

07-19-2009, 11:34 PM
ROLL I just love the sig line above ^^^^^^^^^

07-19-2009, 11:41 PM
Well im know i got get the ench and gems. But i am doing fine on spider plague + construkt. When im going military quater i wipe the raid 1-2 times only. And when we come sapp-KT i wipe max 1 time. I know how to play the class and i did lvl it my self but wherey fast only. And it is at sapp i wipe it most only 1 time the all begin to hate me and say im bad and all **** you know.

07-19-2009, 11:52 PM
the character has been 80 for over a month, yay achievements.

07-19-2009, 11:59 PM
Do they say why you are bad like are you facing saph at the raid, low on threat or just impossible to heal?

Did you understand you were below 540 def and what may happen?

Since you are back and talking you also need to fix up your spec its horrible read here
Maintankadin • View topic - 3.1 Talent Spec Guide (http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=22679)

I am guessing english is not your first language so people may have misunderstood the way your wrote your initial comments.

07-20-2009, 02:46 AM
Yes They know what def i did have and all my stats. I did it all and it was going fine. When we did come saph i did hold him like normal. When the first frost breath did come 1 healer died. When it did come the second time a other healer died. And we did go with 2 tank 2 healers and 6 dps. So all healers was dead. I was hold sapp like normal before the problem was that the healer died. And all say its me ho doing wrong. But 1 time before this happend i did wipe it 1 time for i dident stand behind the ice blocks my bad :P.

07-20-2009, 04:37 AM
Well if that is the case that u actually know your toon and did level it up yourself then all the power to u...

From what u say:
When we did come saph i did hold him like normal. When the first frost breath did come 1 healer died. When it did come the second time a other healer died. if that is the problem then its not u who is the problem in the sapph fight.
It might just be the healers you run with.

Sapph is a healing intense fight and it relies most on the healers, and people not being dumb (must hide behind the once frozen), and of course avoid the blizzard.

Your main job is just to keep him in one spot and facing sideways to the group so they don't get swiped and breathed and don't get tail swiped either...

07-20-2009, 04:55 AM
Thanks. Well now back to the gear/gems/ench :P. I know i dont got the def (540). But i there eny thing i doing wrong? Do i need other gems/gear? (i know i need ench :S)

07-20-2009, 05:06 AM
wow 534 def you need to get that up asap chuck a 16 def gem or somthing in there so your uncrittable by (most) bosses
i just follo the 696 or 969 rotation you should look a few up although pallys are by far one of the easyest classes to tank as i assume...
i lvled from 10-80 as prot tho :P
you really shouldn't try tanking if u have no idea what youre doing in 10-25 man raids sounds expensive to the dps >.<

07-20-2009, 05:37 AM
phoenix92 i know what im doing in raids. The thing i am asking for is my gear/gems. I know what to do :-P. And i realy need it u see.

07-20-2009, 06:53 AM

first of all you need to get the def capped.

Buy a belt bocket for youre belt and Put a JC gem with def there and i trade all youre JC gem with 41 stam for the def one for getting def capped. Stamina is not all get you def capped and when you get over def you could remove one by one JC def gem intot JC stam gem.

It should help you to get youre 540.

Buy a glyph that really help you in threat and dmg reduction. i suggest you my glyph but you can check for guide they all been explained there.
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kargath&n=Dumer)

07-20-2009, 09:25 AM
Thanks! Zarthaxs that helped me alot and im going to look forward to when i get my game card xD. And i know what to do now + i got some good tips here what to do if im not def caped. Thanks guys :-).

07-20-2009, 10:37 AM
No problem,

Repost you armory later we can recheck this.


07-20-2009, 11:34 PM
Yeah i ill link it when i got a new game card + ench and the rest. But the shoulders ench it comes from hodir rep right and what state? Honored/reverd? I want to know :D! And is it the 55 stam + 22 agi i gona have on legs :)?

07-20-2009, 11:46 PM
if your having problems with your def rate, and im actually surprised no one else stated this. Try going for the trinket off the last boss in reg HoL. The nameim blanking on but it gives a good chunk of def which should help you a bit. at your discretion replace whichever trinket you think needs replacing as its you who'll have to live with the change.

07-21-2009, 01:44 AM
Deff cap. Period. Everything else doesn't matter before the deff cap. You can be tanking like a young god and one crit ends it all and nobody can do anything against it. There is no "you could have healed that crit one shotting me!".

Jewelcrafter gems to pure deff. Replace with stam after getting deff high enough for that.

Don't be afraid to loose T7 and the four piece bonus. Equip the better gear if you have it since the four piece bonus is everything but huge.

Try pugging 25man VoA as DPS and snatch some T8.5 pants... :D

Drop Divinity - Spell - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=63650) and Reckoning - Spell - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20182) entirely and go for either crusade or improved lay on hands. Will help you keep threat or stay alive better.

Glyph of Divine Plea - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45745) is close to "required" at the moment.
Glyph of Seal of Vengeance - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43869) will do your expertise some good.
Glyph of Lay on Hands - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43367) shortens CD on one of your survival CDs.
Glyph of Sense Undead - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43368) is nice for bonus threat and damage anywhere undead.


07-21-2009, 08:40 AM
Ok thanks for that Skaggi :D. But i still dont got a answer on my Hodir/pants ench! some 1 tell me? im kinda wait here for a hour or 2.... wait its 3 and a half im kinda stuck! Can some 1 PLZ tell me -.-'?

07-21-2009, 08:40 AM
Im still here!

07-21-2009, 08:53 AM
Hodir enchant blue are honored and epic one exalted

Pant : yeah 55 stam and 22 agi

08-04-2009, 01:10 AM
Hello agian guys now im back on the tracks. I have get the pants ench + glyphs awesome ^^. Now im gona get my hodir rep up but how? I have been trying to get it for a while but cant! Can some 1 tell me how i get it up?

08-04-2009, 02:04 AM
There are a bunch of Daily quests out in the Storm Peaks, but you have to do a chain in order to unlock them, otherwise all the mobs in their town are Hostile. The entry quest to the chain is They Took Our Men! (http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12843) which I like to think is a play on South Park's THEY TOOK OUR JOBS! DE DERP DE DRRRPPPP

08-04-2009, 02:08 AM

In case you dont know where to start:
Go to K3 pick up the quest there.
One of them will lead you into a cave where you are disguised as a blue amazon warrior type, there you get to free someone who will give you some quests where you fight some 1vs1 battles, and finally leading to the last challenge where you get to fly on a blue protodrake and fight 10 other on the back of those dragons.
Finally done wit those 10 you get to meet Thorim... do his quests and finally you get a quest to go to the SoH area and get some stuff - please note you will get a quest you pick up as loot, you need to do this as well before returning to Thorim.
When you deliver those 2 quests you get neutral with SoH, and you can start doing quest with them.
There are now several ways to get rep:
1) Do the daylies - more will unluck the higher your rep. is.
2) Pick up the "shard" - its a small poity thing you pick up from the ground around SoH area.
3) Collect the Relics of Ulduar, and hand them in - if you got the money buy a huge amount in AH.

Good luck

/Wolf :Q

08-04-2009, 02:11 AM
The quest chain starts at K3, i think the quest is called "they took our men" or similiar, eventually after a fain number of quests you become friendly with the sons of hodir and can start doing their dailies, and that is what you should do for rep grinding.

08-04-2009, 02:13 AM
ok thanks shall try it now ^^

08-04-2009, 02:14 AM
but what stats the blue/epic give?

08-04-2009, 02:27 AM
Well Here we go agian armory link coming up! The World of Warcraft Armory (http://eu.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=Themaliguy&searchType=all)

08-04-2009, 02:29 AM
but what stats the blue/epic give?

Well don't get me wrong,but i see ppl here try to help you and you cant even go on wowhead and see difference from blue and epic enchant :confused:.

You still dont have enchant on your legs !

Also try to browse this forum and you will find great post about gear,that will help you make some plan what you need to do.Tbh you avoidance is rly low imo.

08-04-2009, 07:31 AM
Ok, I'm probably going to get shot by some of the fellow pallies here, but here's my advice.

"Downgrade" your helmet, go back to the Titansteel helmet. I've found in my experience that the extra defense boosting avoidances provides more EH in the long run. Also switch your meta to the +31 Stam and armour value one; huge boost in EH.

Next, switch your belt for the one from Heroism badges. That BV is nice for threat but not necessary. Go for avoidance more; less damage taken is not as good as no damage taken.

As for boots, I'm *definitely* going to get shot for this one, but use the blues you get from Wyrmrest Accord rep until you either get the boots from Herald in H OK, the boots from Trollgore in H DTK or even the ones from Meathook in H CoS.

Switch Gossamer out for Seal of the Pantheon from normal HoL, regem for Stam. Don't take a huge Stam drop unless you can afford it form gear alone; the EH balance works out greater and the trinket is good even if you don't get lucky enough to ever see Repelling Charge drop. (I was using it in Ulduar until I was def capped by gear alone)

Rechant your weapon to +26 Agil. That's .5% dodge right there. The Seal above should also allow you to use the Royal Crest of Lordaeron while tanking, using the +Def enchant of course, giving you a threat boost thanks to the hit.

About all I can think of at the moment.

08-04-2009, 09:46 AM
Actually, no, you don't really know what you're doing in raids if you're tanking in said raid without being crit-immune.

Take the advice previous posters have given you and start to run some heroics - the wipes while you're learning the ropes are far less costly and frustrating for 5 people as opposed to 25 people.

08-04-2009, 12:13 PM
You could use Elixir of Mighty Defense - 45 defense rating
it's not too expensive either

and remember necrobat, due to DR it might not be .5% for him, also agility>dodge is getting nerfed today,
so Blade Ward might be better for avoidance.

08-20-2009, 10:18 PM
Hello agian guys now im back after the first ulduar run :D. Here is a armory link and thanks for all help. (But i was to lazy to get hodir shoulder ench :p) The World of Warcraft Armory (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Xavius&n=Themaliguy)

08-21-2009, 12:05 PM
it's an entire zone of questing that i guess you missed, do it, and you get gold my friend.
Hodir is not exactly an optional rep to get, best shoulder enchants are there