View Full Version : Cleaving

06-30-2009, 04:09 AM
I thought this skill was pointless for holding multi threat on multiple mobs but apparently im wrong, is this true?

Also i normally use devistate but people say use sunder to x5 then devistate as sunder has move threat, is that true too?


06-30-2009, 10:40 PM
I would think the answer would depend on whether or not you run out of rage. If you don't run out of rage, then cleave away. If you do then it's a matter of whether or not changing targets and using a single target cooldown or devastate would produce better results, which is to say, nobody is pulling aggro. I find that often TC, Cleave, and Shockwave aren't enough if someone is single target attacking a mob I'm not targetting so I end up having to tab target a lot even with using Cleave.

I'm not sure about the Devastate question. I never use Sunder Armor by itself. I have the Glyph of Devastate and Glyph of Sunder Armor and use Devastate to apply sunders.

07-02-2009, 01:43 AM
yeh i also tab a hell of a lot but i havent got the sunder glyph as i prefered to have the last stand , blocking and devistate, maybe i should change thedevistate for the sunder one. bit more aggro maybe

07-02-2009, 02:08 AM
Cleaving is key to multimob tanking. Use it like Heroic Strike - i.e. when you're above 50 rage.

As to your latter question, the answer is here:

I read from that Devastate > Sunder.

07-02-2009, 05:11 AM
so i got
"but does not give the threat for it."

which means x5 normal sunder then devistate to keep it up.

07-02-2009, 05:54 AM
Well, I may be a noob or something, but it says:

Threat Values
Devastate: Damage + 5% of AP
Sunder: 345 + 5% of AP

So as long as your Devastate dmg(50% of wep dmg + 15 per Sunder applied) is higher than 345, Devastate > Sunder Armor.

If your Devastate dmg is less than 345, then Sunder by itself would cause more threat.

Using the Glyph of Sunder will always hit the second target with a normal Sunder, not Devastate. Thus, the 2nd target will not have quite as much threat on it as the your primary target due to Devestate on the primary target causing a bit more threat (assuming your Devastate dmg is higher than 345 + 15 per sunder).

Again, I may be overlooking something. Thats just my take.

EDIT: Just scrolled down and saw the bit you quoted. So.. I honestly don't know now :) Maybe someone with a higher degree in mathematics can chime in :)

07-02-2009, 12:02 PM
Devastate applies a sunder.... always use devastate and dont use sunder itself. The only reason to ever use sunder is if you wanted to apply it to a crowd controlled mob. It does no damage.

There are several glyphs that will help. Glyph of cleave makes cleave hit a 3rd mob and they have a devastate glyph that will apply 2 sunders for one devastate and another that will sunder a nearby mob if you use devastate.

Glyph of blocking is good and there is a vigilance one that might be ok (I have not used that one).