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dagimp007
06-16-2009, 08:22 AM
So if (according to Wow-heroes.com) your gear score shows you are able to do 25 Ulduar... should all classes be able to do 3k damage easy on boss fights?

Darksend
06-16-2009, 09:08 AM
I could put on all spellpower gear as a warrior and wowheroes would give me a high score and tell me I could do ulduar.

Another site that is absolutely pointless is wow-popular. Just because a lot of people have an item does not make it good.

dagimp007
06-16-2009, 09:27 AM
I could put on all spellpower gear as a warrior and wowheroes would give me a high score and tell me I could do ulduar.

Another site that is absolutely pointless is wow-popular. Just because a lot of people have an item does not make it good.
these are guildies i am looking at... so i know they have the right gear, i am more trying to figure out if they have a bad rotational or what not

Lizana
06-16-2009, 10:16 AM
You should be able to do 3k dps in naxx gear...

Caly
06-16-2009, 12:35 PM
You should be able to do 3k dps in naxx gear...

Pre-naxx gear tbh. With both my DK and lock i pushed 3k with heroic/emblem/crafted gear, even some blues.

Truthbebold
06-16-2009, 12:40 PM
what class is having trouble doing over 3k dps? in my guild your not allowed in ulduar 10 or 25 until you do 3k dps self buffed and link it to one of the leaders

kfealz
06-16-2009, 01:07 PM
i do 2.3k+ dps on my DK with like 3 blues and nothing over naxx10 gear.

wow-heroes means absolutely nothing, but if it says someone is ready for uld25, they should probably be pulling at least 3.5k.

kfealz
06-16-2009, 01:09 PM
in my guild your not allowed in ulduar 10 or 25 until you do 3k dps self buffed and link it to one of the leaders

On my unholy DK, I can go into CoT: Black Morass, pull the whole instance and pull 25k dps with AOE if I have a healer. I have 3 blues. Hope you're screening out AOE pulls before you let people in :p

hbombs
06-16-2009, 01:14 PM
target dummy

Muffin Man
06-16-2009, 01:24 PM
Pre-naxx gear tbh. With both my DK and lock i pushed 3k with heroic/emblem/crafted gear, even some blues.

Kind of misleading, since heroic, emblem, crafted epics are all ilvl 200, which is the same as 90% of 10 man gear.

Pre-Naxx you can get pretty geared up, people don't seem to realize this/are too impatient to get the gear.

I'm pretty skeptical that the average class can do 3k self buffed coming out of heroics or even in the average raid composition (I don't do many 25 mans so maybe I'm short selling the awesome synergy you can get there).

After you've raided enough to phase out low level/poorly itemized gear (so many socketless plate helms in naxx for instance) you should 1) have the gear and 2) class knowledge to be pushing 3k dps without breaking a sweat.

Caly
06-16-2009, 01:38 PM
True, but i wasn't talking about itemlevel, just that you should be able to do it even though you haven't set foot in naxx.

And targetdummies can be terribly missleading as well,with full BiS items pre-ulduar i had a hard time pushing 3k on a dummy.

Tatt
06-16-2009, 01:42 PM
Gear score is one of the most worthless add ons/meters I have ever encountered. We have threatened to drop guildies from raids for spamming that crap. As long as someone is gearing in a relatively responsible manner for their class, their dps is considerably mroe dependant on rotation than gear. Without doing the whole "I did 1 billion dps at lvl 12" thing, if someone cannot do 3k dps on a single target boss unbuffed, I do not believe they belong in Ulduar.

AxLxExX
06-16-2009, 01:58 PM
When I lead pug raids I go by a basic philosophy.
If you claim to be a class that CAN dps (which is all classes), and you ARE dps spec, there is no excuse to be under 2000 DPS no matter your gear. Granted some fights are not-so-great for certain classes but still, 2000 dps = my white swings.

And, to your exact post, wow-heroes is terrible. Gives people a false sense of "i'm good"-ness. People see that wow-heroes claims they can do stuff so they think they can.

uglybbtoo
06-16-2009, 08:07 PM
To do 3K the only classes that I have seen do it consistantly unbuffed would be DK's, rogues and hunters without significant naxx 25 gear.

The issue has been slightly addressed and why blizz introduced Titansteel Spellblade - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45085) on the last patch because mages and locks had no craftable epic weapon they could use. The casters also have a massive hit cap of 368 (422 untalented) they must meet and its hard to get that much hit of low end gear.

If you try to setup a pug for naxx 25 with a restriction of 3K dps you look at the classes you get respond it.

I agree with most of the guys above 2K is much more realistic unbuffed and is achievable that means in raid you will be pulling close to or above 3K.

Besides which as we all know having 3K dps doesn't mean they aren't a retard ... how many 3K dps have you seen dead on the floor unable to dance with heigen or unable to walk out of red pools with KT.

Diocaska
06-25-2009, 03:35 AM
True, but i wasn't talking about itemlevel, just that you should be able to do it even though you haven't set foot in naxx.

And targetdummies can be terribly missleading as well,with full BiS items pre-ulduar i had a hard time pushing 3k on a dummy.

The lack of buffs and debuffs make a huge difference. Testing on a dummy for "raid dps" isn't effective unless you're with a few people getting the buffs your class needs. I also believe its misleading because there is no tanks threat to worry about, or any movement needed.

In regards to raid buffed. I believe the majority of classes should be able to pump out 3k dps in between Naxx 10 and 25 gear assuming they're buffed.

Cookie
06-25-2009, 04:13 AM
In a 25man raid, you should be able to do 3k dps in blues on a single target boss. In Naxx gear, 5k.

And I agree about dummies being misleading. Some classes are more reliant on raid buffs than others. And when testing, some just do it the "wrong" way and stop too fast, which favours burst specs. The best way to test unbuffed dps is to dps the dummy for 6 minutes at a time and then average the results.

But in general full raid buffs add about ~1k to dps, but as said, some classes get more than others.

Fetzie
06-25-2009, 04:26 AM
My warlock pushed 3.7k dps on patch in a 25 man raid a week after hitting 80.

blues/lv 80 emblem stuff/couple of T5/T6 epics.

of course I used a flask and two haste pots (used right before the pull and had the cooldown ready for the bloodlust, 1.2 second incinerates ftw) but I wanted to see what blue gear can do :D

just because you can do 3.7k dps on a standing target does not mean you are ulduar ready. My lock definitly wasnt when I did that test.

Akeber
06-25-2009, 08:33 AM
For some classes, the dps your are capable of in a 25 man fully raid buffed is very different from what you can pull by your self on a target dummy. My alt mage (firebal spec) can barely break 3K on a dummy by himself, but I can easily do over 4.5K on patchwerk in a 25 man with raid buffs, and I'm admittedly out of practice.

Truthbebold
06-26-2009, 09:19 AM
all i have to say is WOW! IF any of you are going into ulduar or even considering going into ulduar with blues. Unless its a pug your guild should be slapped! /slap guild

In my guild you weren't allowed in 25m Naxx if you had more then 1 blue and we went by the wow-heroes.com score.

1800+ 10m naxx
2000+ 25m naxx
2100+ 10/25m EOE
2150+ OS + 2drakes 25m

That was pre ulduar.

Now its:

2200+ 10m ulduar
2250+ 25m ulduar
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And i ment 3k dps unbuffed on the target dummy in IF if your alliance
Single target DPS is the only thing that matters.

and FYI for those that think 3k dps is good. try thinking about the dps that some have in the guild that are doing things like 25m hodir hardmoode...

I was linked the damage meter from a friend whos guild recently killed hodir25m hard mode..

they had 2 mages doing 16k dps and a warlock doing 12k. So FYI 3k dps is crap

Truthbebold
06-26-2009, 09:24 AM
My warlock pushed 3.7k dps on patch in a 25 man raid a week after hitting 80.

blues/lv 80 emblem stuff/couple of T5/T6 epics.




Why are you wearing T5/T6 ? if you ment t7/t8 ok..

but to give you a heads up because it sounds like you just hit 80. its t7, t7.5(or t7 25m), t8, t8.5 (or t8 25m ).

Lizana
06-26-2009, 10:09 AM
I was linked the damage meter from a friend whos guild recently killed hodir25m hard mode..

they had 2 mages doing 16k dps and a warlock doing 12k. So FYI 3k dps is crap

You do realize the hodir fight has buffs that increase dps.

Starlight - Spell - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=62807)
Singed - Spell - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=65280)
Storm Power - Spell - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=65134)

Will take some one doing normal dps and push them up to double digits.

Nunes
06-26-2009, 04:21 PM
Storm Power - Spell - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=65134)


39k Frost Strikes gogo.

squats
06-26-2009, 04:25 PM
So if (according to Wow-heroes.com) your gear score shows you are able to do 25 Ulduar... should all classes be able to do 3k damage easy on boss fights?

be.imba.com is better.. it still sucks, but it is (slightly) better

Durandro
06-27-2009, 10:31 AM
be.imba.hu isn't bad. Not perfect, but it's a good basic outline.

Though it pathologically hates PvP gear. And god help you if you're even one defense rating over 540.

Genova
06-29-2009, 03:52 PM
I could put on all spellpower gear as a warrior and wowheroes would give me a high score and tell me I could do ulduar.

Another site that is absolutely pointless is wow-popular. Just because a lot of people have an item does not make it good.


I was in my fire resist gear for sarth3d and had a gear score of < 2k.

Got turned down in tanking a pug with it pre 3.1... gearscore is lame whatever happened to good old fashioned wowarmory.com?

Hit Me
07-02-2009, 05:38 AM
I have extremely crappy gear on my spriest. I have a couple crafted epics, some badge stuff and the rest are blues. In 5 mans, I can do anywhere from 2.2 to 2.5 dps for the entire instance and on stationary boss fights, I put out 3k dps consistently.

In raids, it's a little more inconsistent, but on patches I put out 3.5k and archie I was doing 3.2k. It can take a hit depending on the fight and whether or not we have other priests in the group.

Massacre
07-03-2009, 12:10 PM
all i have to say is WOW! IF any of you are going into ulduar or even considering going into ulduar with blues. Unless its a pug your guild should be slapped! /slap guild

In my guild you weren't allowed in 25m Naxx if you had more then 1 blue and we went by the wow-heroes.com score.




That is the dumbest thing ever. A person can pull fine DPS with having some mediocre gear, and to get the highest level gear they need to be doing higer level raids.



they had 2 mages doing 16k dps and a warlock doing 12k. So FYI 3k dps is crap
Nobody is talking about a fight with damage bonuses, I think plenty of people pull well over 10k DPS in Hodir 25.

Anyway 3k DPS (on a stand alone fight[ie. Patchwerk, Decon{Because you do kill adds but get a damage bonus from the heart}, Grand Widow, etc]) is terrible for someone with mostly epics (10/25 naxx), it shows they need to go look up a better spec, figure out a better rotation, or .... be hit capped?

Valalvax
07-06-2009, 05:01 AM
I have a 45% chance to crit while in a 10 man raid, but I can still go for a pretty long time without critting, which means I'm doing like 2k dps, compared to me critting thirty plus times in a row pulling 5.4k dps in the same raid setup, RNG has a hand in your damage too unfortunately :(

Leytur
07-06-2009, 10:19 AM
3000 DPS unbuffed on a target dummy? Hell I can't do that on my hunter yet I'm consistently top 5 DPS on any Naxx/Ulduar run I go on.

Massacre
07-06-2009, 02:06 PM
3000 DPS unbuffed on a target dummy? Hell I can't do that on my hunter yet I'm consistently top 5 DPS on any Naxx/Ulduar run I go on.
Then whoever you group with are bad.

Rennadrel
07-10-2009, 04:33 PM
My pally can hit 4.5k on Patchwerk with this gear set:

The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blade%27s+Edge&n=Rennadrel)

:P