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Nexxas
06-13-2009, 07:50 PM
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0xMZhgxxhbIzc0Vsst0gh:m)

I just made this spec up, I'd like to hear some feedback about your thoughts and suggestions. \:cool:

Neckro
06-13-2009, 08:32 PM
good luck with tps not having killing machine. also why spec down the left side into icy and imp icy talons? are there no dps providing the haste buff for your raid?(furthermore the personal haste from it... not exactly something you want to look for as a tank)

Nexxas
06-14-2009, 08:48 AM
Thanks I'm actually going to prob change it so I get killing machine

Mukotsu
06-14-2009, 08:54 PM
I run a frost DK and use a 2H weapon. You end up relying on your Howling Blast, Blood Boil and Death & Decay. DK's are an AOE tank so it takes about 3-5 seconds to gain the aggro to the point where you can hold it for the duration. The Icy Touch part of the frost tree is nice since you now have to spend 51 talent points to get to the Howling Blast. During your encounters if you spam the Howling Blast, Blood Boil and Death & Decay, you will hold aggro even if you have a mage throwing out 10K fireballs. I have tanked with this spec since day one and it is awesome. If one does manage to get away use the Death Grip and then Dark Command and they will leave the other party memebers alone even if the Death Grip does not yank them back to you.

Nexxas
06-15-2009, 08:27 AM
Yeah thats pretty much my strategy too I start off with Howling Blast and I have the glyph that makes it so howling blast infects everyone with frost fever then I plauge strike then i always have my blood runes on cooldown so i get the 5% damage reduction and then i just frost strike or obliterate if I have enough runes

Inaara
06-15-2009, 02:10 PM
My Frost tanking spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EMZhxx0AbI0f0i0stcx:akT)

Acclimation takes up 3 talent points that can be better used elsewhere.

Morbidity is a waste of three points for Frost. Of the three specs, frost is the only one that doesn't take this talent. Frost Strike is your rune dump, not Death Coil. Howling Blast and Blood Boil are more than enough to hold AoE threat, Death and Decay on a 15 second CD is not required. Proper use of KM procs with HB will destroy AoE threat.

Plague Strike is not even in my rotation, neither is Icy Touch. I use HB to get Frost Fever on the mob and don't bother with Blood Plague.

Basic rotation looks like this: HB-OB-BS-BS-FS-OB-OB. Try to prioritize FS when KM procs. HB whenever Rime procs. Collect loots.

Molohk
06-15-2009, 02:21 PM
If you have an enh shammy in your raids, you might not want to get imp icy talons (and icy talons for that matter, haste is not that great for a DK). As said above, KM is a must, Morbidity is not good at all, Bladed armor is worth it, if you're glyphing for HB and using it as a part of your main rotation there's no need for epidemic, acclimation is good for high magical damage fights but that's kind of situational. Not sure if you actually ment to add the glyph of dark command, but it's benefit is very situational and probably not worth it at all.

Inaara's spec is a good one, I'd probably just remove one point from 2H spec or merciless combat for Unbreakable Armor. The strength component from Unbreakable Armor, coupled with a bit more mitigation, is pretty nice IMO.

Tarigar
06-15-2009, 02:28 PM
Is Deathchill even viable for instant threat or is there no real use for it.

I was thinking the 100% crit guarantee would be nice.

Inaara
06-15-2009, 02:28 PM
If you have an enh shammy in your raids, you might not want to get imp icy talons (and icy talons for that matter, haste is not that great for a DK). As said above, KM is a must, Morbidity is not good at all, Bladed armor is worth it, if you're glyphing for HB and using it as a part of your main rotation there's no need for epidemic, acclimation is good for high magical damage fights but that's kind of situational. Not sure if you actually ment to add the glyph of dark command, but it's benefit is very situational and probably not worth it at all.

Inaara's spec is a good one, I'd probably just remove one point from 2H spec or merciless combat for Unbreakable Armor. The strength component from Unbreakable Armor, coupled with a bit more mitigation, is pretty nice IMO.

Thanks for catching it. I forgot to add that the 2 points in 2H spec can be taken out and put into UA and Deathchill. I'm just not a big fan of UA so I don't take it lol.

Molohk
06-15-2009, 02:33 PM
Deathchill is nice for burst, if you use Deathchill+HB for pulling a large pack, you got the best opener around. I personally thing the cooldown is too long, so I don't take it. And I agree with Inaara, 2H spec is really optional and bladed armor is generally regarded as a better option.

Tarigar
06-15-2009, 02:37 PM
Since I play a warrior I take AttT in every spec as I consider it a must. I try to do the same with bladed armor on my dk as well but since I am still leveling there are too many things in unholy I wanted that I couldn't toss for the leveling mode.

Inaara
06-15-2009, 02:38 PM
Is Deathchill even viable for instant threat or is there no real use for it.

I was thinking the 100% crit guarantee would be nice.

As Molohk said, crit pulling AoE groups is nice. For a solo pull it is also usefull for a quick threat boost. HB-(DC)OB-BS-BS and you'll have a substantial threat lead.

Nexxas
06-16-2009, 05:30 PM
This is my new spec

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0xMZhgxoAbIoc0isst0g)

Faladir
06-16-2009, 06:46 PM
Please get rid of Acclimation, it is useless. In the only fight were the resistance would come in handy is Hodir, but you are already wearing some FR gear there so I don't see the point of getting it.

Kurtosis
06-16-2009, 09:48 PM
This is my new spec

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0xMZhgxoAbIoc0isst0g)
A few comments:

1. Bladed Armor is a must. +5 additional AP for every 180 armor? Assume you have 25,000 armor in Frost Presence, which I currently do as a Heroics-geared Frost tank.

BA then boosts your AP by 25,000/180*5 = 694.44. That applies to all your strikes, spells, diseases, and white damage - from Frost Strike and Oblit, to DnD, Howling Blast, and BB, to autoattack, to Frost Fever (and Blood Plague if you use it, which I only bother with against bosses).

2. Drop the 1pt from Icy Talons. Icy Talons itself is not a great tanking talent, more a dps one, and a single point in that 5pt talent will do nothing for you.

3. Icy Reach is uneccesary. Usually when the tank pulls, the mobs stack on you anyway, and you don't need range to continually hit them with HB, BB, DnD (or Icy Touch if you use this (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40714)). If a mob gets away, you'll likely use Dark Command or Death Grip to get it back, and Icy Reach has no affect on those.

4. If you glyph Howling Blast, you won't need Epidemic, since presumably you'll be spamming HB every time the 8s cd is up, or every time Rime procs. 15s Frost Fever is plenty of time for HB to refresh that disease.

Hence, move 2pts from Epidemic, 2pts from Icy Reach, and 1pt from Icy Talons into 5/5 Bladed Armor.

You can also move 1pt out of Killing Machine since that 5th point only marginally improves the proc rate. I put it in Lichborne for my Frost tank build, since there are a decent amount of bosses that fear in Heroics.

Finally, Acclimation. Everyone says to get rid of it. I had Scent of Blood for the extra 15 RP every 10s, which is just noticeable. But I was getting hit with so much spell damage in heroics (Nexus and Occ bosses), and threat was not a problem for me, that I moved those into Acclimation. Combined with a Lesser Flask of Resistance (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44939), Improved Frost Presence + Blade Barrier + AMS, my survivability in those situations has improved somewhat. I haven't run any combat log analysis yet to see exactly how much, but until I need longer diseases, more rp, or something else more than survivability, I'll keep it.

My build. (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EMZhxxzNbIoc0isst0x:TkaMm0)

PS - as for Deathchill, I actually have a Howling Blast macro on my action bar that lets me cast DC+HB instantly, or just HB alone.


#showtooltip [mod:shift] Howling Blast;[nomod] Deathchill
/use [nomod] Deathchill
/use [mod:shift] Howling Blast;[nomod] Howling Blast

Starting a pull, I fire Shift+HB (without DC) first, b/c I want to get FF on the target. Without FF, your HB dmg is gimped - no Glacier Rot or Tundra Stalker.

Then, 8 seconds later, with FF now up, and throughout the rest of the fight, I fire the second macro, DC + HB, to maximize DC crits.

I find that starting a fight with DnD + HB + BB is enough frontloaded threat to hold aggro on a group of mobs, that I can afford to wait the 8s b/f firing off the crit DC+HB. The overall total threat gain doing it that way is greater, even if I don't frontload quite as much in the first rotation. Since DC has a 2m CD, it's worth it not to waste it on FF-less HB.

Inaara
06-17-2009, 11:01 AM
This is my new spec

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0xMZhgxoAbIoc0isst0g)


Sometimes I'm not even sure why I answer these posts.

Molohk
06-17-2009, 11:08 AM
Sometimes I'm not even sure why I answer these posts.
Seems like all we do is increase our post count >.< /sigh

Inaara
06-17-2009, 11:24 AM
Seems like all we do is increase our post count >.< /sigh

Pretty much. I think we can get at least 100 extra posts out of this thread so might as well start. How's your day going?

Molohk
06-17-2009, 11:25 AM
Pretty much. I think we can get at least 100 extra posts out of this thread so might as well start. How's your day going?

LoL my day is good, I think the OP changed his name and posted on another thread with the exact same spec =O

Inaara
06-17-2009, 11:33 AM
LoL my day is good, I think the OP changed his name and posted on another thread with the exact same spec =O


That is unforgivable..... I'm not sure what to do.... how goes the raiding?!

Kalibra
06-24-2010, 05:14 AM
Hmm, this topic is prolly dead now, but what I cannot understand is why spec in to Two-Handed Weapon Specialization and Threat of Thassarian :S you cannot dual wield 2 handers...

Threat of ThassarianRank 3Requires One-Handed Melee Weapon
When dual-wielding, your Death Strikes, Obliterates, Plague Strikes, Rune Strikes, Blood Strikes and Frost Strikes have a 100% chance to also deal damage with your offhand weapon.

Two-Handed Weapon SpecializationRank 2Requires Two-Handed Axes, Two-Handed Maces, Polearms, Two-Handed Swords
Increases the damage you deal with two-handed melee weapons by 4%.

Selene
06-24-2010, 05:28 AM
Hmm, this topic is prolly dead now, but what I cannot understand is why spec in to Two-Handed Weapon Specialization and Threat of Thassarian :S you cannot dual wield 2 handers...

Threat of ThassarianRank 3Requires One-Handed Melee Weapon
When dual-wielding, your Death Strikes, Obliterates, Plague Strikes, Rune Strikes, Blood Strikes and Frost Strikes have a 100% chance to also deal damage with your offhand weapon.

Two-Handed Weapon SpecializationRank 2Requires Two-Handed Axes, Two-Handed Maces, Polearms, Two-Handed Swords
Increases the damage you deal with two-handed melee weapons by 4%.


lol at least he is trying... I guess...

I been seeing alot of Blood Tanks lately trying to DW tank O.o

Theotherone
06-24-2010, 07:58 AM
If it's a 2h spec, why are points put in Threat of Thassarian?

Goros
06-24-2010, 02:19 PM
Wow. This actually hurts my head.

All of it.

Why would you try to create a tank spec of your own when you clearly have no idea of how the talents in the trees work?

Seriously? We must be getting trolled. Who doesn't spec into anticipation?

Really?

For giggles here's my spec (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Archimonde&cn=Goros&gn=Ghosts+of+War) and my armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Archimonde&cn=Goros&gn=Ghosts+of+War).

For the record I tank ICC using the black heart instead of icks until I get something better. This (meaning the spec) is an amazing AOE threat generator and with the extra IT threat and the fact that I have runestrike macro'd in to all my melee strikes my single target threat can't be touched either.