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Meatwally
05-24-2009, 06:59 AM
This isnt an advanced tank gear list. The way i have done it is by using Lootrank (http://lootrank.com).
The listed gear is ranked by survival stats.

I like the site and use it to compare gear in many ways. If you dont like the site or think it uses the wrong items or the wrong way to compare gear then dont use this as a guide.

My paladin: Meatwall (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bloodfeather&n=Meatwall)

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Head:

1. Conqueror's Aegis Faceguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46175) (Item level: 226, Score: 39297)

2. Helm of the Faceless (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45502) (Item level: 226, Score: 38797)

3. Valorous Aegis Faceguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45382) (Item level: 219, Score: 37459)

4. Ironbark Faceguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45935) (Item level: 219, Score: 37104)

5. Helm of Vital Protection (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40328) (Item level: 213, Score: 35398)

6. Valorous Redemption Faceguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40581) (Item level: 213, Score: 33501)

7. Thane's Tainted Greathelm (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39395) (Item level: 200, Score: 33501)

8. Platehelm of the Great Wyrm (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40366) (Item level: 213, Score: 33020)

9. Tempered Titansteel Helm (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41387) (Item level: 200, Score: 32250) BOE, Good head to start raiding with. Itīs not that expensive to make and got great EH value.

10. Heroes' Redemption Faceguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39640) (Item level: 200, Score: 29962)


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Neck:

1. Bronze Pendant of the Vanir (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45485) (Item level: 229, Score: 17332)

2. Nexus War Champion Beads (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44665) (Item level: 226, Score: 15356)

3. Mark of the Unyielding (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45696) (Item level: 219, Score: 14935)

4. Titanstone Pendant (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45538) (Item level: 226, Score: 14557)

5. Shard of the Crystal Forest (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45821) (Item level: 226, Score: 14467)

6. Fervor of the Protectorate (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46343) (Item level: 219, Score: 13688)

7. Boundless Ambition (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40387) (Item level: 226, Score: 13648)

8. Necklace of Unerring Mettle (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45262) (Item level: 226, Score: 13142)

9. Drakescale Collar (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44660) (Item level: 213, Score: 12920)

10. Heritage (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40069) (Item level: 213, Score: 12607)

Starter gear:

Titanium Earthguard Chain (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42646) (Item level: 200, Score: 11738) BOE, craftable.

Chained Military Gorget (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40679) (Item level: 200, Score: 11205) Bought with Emblem of Heroism

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Shoulders:

1. Valorous Redemption Shoulderguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40584) (Item level: 213, Score: 28887)

2. Conqueror's Aegis Shoulderguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46177) (Item level: 226, Score: 28610)

3. Shoulderplates of the Deconstructor (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45251) (Item level: 226, Score: 28177)

4. Shoulderguards of the Solemn Watch (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45697) (Item level: 219, Score: 27958)

5. Pauldrons of Unnatural Death (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39704) (Item level: 213, Score: 27760)

6. Valorous Aegis Shoulderguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45385) (Item level: 219, Score: 27273)

7. Heroes' Redemption Shoulderguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39642) (Item level: 200, Score: 26561)

8. Burdened Shoulderplates (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40334) (Item level: 213, Score: 26514)

9. Abomination Shoulderblades (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39267) (Item level: 200, Score: 25204)

10. Wapach's Spaulders of Solidarity (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44312) (Item level: 200, Score: 23366) BOE

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Meatwally
05-24-2009, 06:59 AM
Back:

1. Titanskin Cloak (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45496) (Item level: 239, Score: 17124)

2. Cloak of the Makers (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45319) (Item level: 226, Score: 15329)

3. Cloak of the Shadowed Sun (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40252) (Item level: 213, Score: 14342)

4. Saronite Animus Cloak (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46014) (Item level: 219, Score: 14029)

5. Platinum Mesh Cloak (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40722) (Item level: 213, Score: 13771)

6. Gale-Proof Cloak (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43988) (Item level: 200, Score: 13313)

7. Drape of Icy Intent (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45461) (Item level: 239, Score: 13064)

8. Cloak of the Iron Council (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45322) (Item level: 219, Score: 13030) BOE

9. Shadow of the Ghoul (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40410) (Item level: 213, Score: 12641)

10. Drape of the Faceless General (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46032) (Item level: 213, Score: 11589)

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Chest:

1. Conqueror's Aegis Breastplate (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46173) (Item level: 226, Score: 41859)

2. Valorous Aegis Breastplate (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45381) (Item level: 219, Score: 39932)

3. Unbreakable Chestguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45334) (Item level: 226, Score: 39579)

4. Chestguard of the Exhausted (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40279) (Item level: 213, Score: 38210)

5. Dragonstorm Breastplate (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44000) (Item level: 213, Score: 37863)

6. Breastplate of Tormented Rage (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40203) (Item level: 213, Score: 36068)

7. Valorous Redemption Breastplate (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40579) (Item level: 213, Score: 35397)

8. Massive Skeletal Ribcage (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39398) (Item level: 200, Score: 33516)

9. Icebane Chestguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43586) (Item level: 213, Score: 32890) BOE, massive EH value, no threath values.

10. Heroes' Redemption Breastplate (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39638) (Item level: 200, Score: 32717)

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Wrists:

1. Mimiron's Inferno Couplings (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45111) (Item level: 226, Score: 20454)

2. Bracers of the Unholy Knight (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40306) (Item level: 213, Score: 20103)

3. Flamewatch Armguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45283) (Item level: 219, Score: 19445)

4. Bracers of Dalaran's Parapets (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40734) (Item level: 213, Score: 18622)

5. Bindings of the Hapless Prey (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39764) (Item level: 213, Score: 17767)

6. Bracers of the Herald (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37620) (Item level: 200, Score: 17720) Heroic Old Kingdom.

7. Minion Bracers (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39467) (Item level: 200, Score: 17395)

8. Bindings of Dark Will (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37682) (Item level: 200, Score: 15096)

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Meatwally
05-24-2009, 06:59 AM
Hands:

1. Handguards of Revitalization (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45487) (Item level: 239, Score: 32832)

2. Gauntlets of the Royal Watch (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45834) (Item level: 226, Score: 28043)

3. Conqueror's Aegis Handguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46174) (Item level: 226, Score: 27596)

4. Handguards of the Enclave (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45228) (Item level: 226, Score: 26208)

5. Adamant Handguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46340) (Item level: 219, Score: 26188)

6. Valorous Aegis Handguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45383) (Item level: 219, Score: 26123)

7. Valorous Redemption Handguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40580) (Item level: 213, Score: 26053)

8. Gauntlets of the Iron Furnace (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45310) (Item level: 219, Score: 25872)

9. Callous-Hearted Gauntlets (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39726) (Item level: 213, Score: 25832)

10. Gauntlets of the Disobedient (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40188) (Item level: 213, Score: 24252)

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Waist:

1. Indestructible Plate Girdle (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45551) (Item level: 226, Score: 28915) BOE, Crafted.

2. Shieldwarder Girdle (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45825) (Item level: 226, Score: 27092)

3. Stormtempered Girdle (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45304) (Item level: 219, Score: 25803)

4. Dragonslayer's Brace (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45139) (Item level: 219, Score: 25302)

5. Ablative Chitin Girdle (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39759) (Item level: 213, Score: 25035)

6. Waistguard of Living Iron (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40689) (Item level: 213, Score: 24109)

7. Ancient Aligned Girdle (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37241)m (Item level: 200, Score: 24078)

8. Fleshless Girdle (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40263) (Item level: 213, Score: 23974)

9. Belt of the Titans (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45550) (Item level: 226, Score: 22298) BOE, Crafed dps belt, good EH.

10. Icebane Girdle (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43587) (Item level: 226, Score: 21634) BOE, Crafted, only on the list cause of the EH value.

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Legs:

1. Legplates of the Endless Void (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45594) (Item level: 239, Score: 44025)

2. Saronite Plated Legguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45267) (Item level: 226, Score: 40619)

3. Conqueror's Aegis Legguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46176) (Item level: 226, Score: 39983)

4. Gilded Steel Legplates (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45295) (Item level: 226, Score: 38658)

5. Valorous Aegis Legguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45384) (Item level: 219, Score: 38100)

6. Legplates of Sovereignty (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40589) (Item level: 226, Score: 37852)

7. Wyrmguard Legplates (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45842) (Item level: 226, Score: 36879)

8. Archaedas' Lost Legplates (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45708) (Item level: 219, Score: 36145)

9. Dragon Brood Legguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40446) (Item level: 213, Score: 34782)

10. Valorous Redemption Legguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40583) (Item level: 213, Score: 34211)

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Meatwally
05-24-2009, 06:59 AM
Feet:

1. Greaves of the Iron Army (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45988) (Item level: 226, Score: 30936)

2. Spiked Deathdealers (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45560) (Item level: 226, Score: 30718) BOE, Crafted.

3. Charred Saronite Greaves (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45166) (Item level: 226, Score: 29000)

4. Greaves of the Stonewarder (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45542) (Item level: 226, Score: 28438)

5. Kyzoc's Ground Stompers (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40743) (Item level: 213, Score: 26993)

6. Sabatons of Endurance (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40297) (Item level: 213, Score: 26523)

7. Plague-Impervious Boots (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39234) (Item level: 200, Score: 24748)

8. Inexorable Sabatons (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39717) (Item level: 213, Score: 24351)

9. Icebane Treads (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43588) (Item level: 213, Score: 23356) BOE, Crafted high EH value.

10. Battlelord's Plate Boots (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45559) (Item level: 226, Score: 23256) BOE, crafted high EH value, dps boots.

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Rings:

1. The Leviathan's Coil (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45112) (Item level: 226, Score: 17734)

2. Fate's Clutch (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45471) (Item level: 239, Score: 17117)

3. Signet of Winter (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45874) (Item level: 219, Score: 15235)

4. Platinum Band of the Aesir (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45326) (Item level: 226, Score: 14552)

5. Seal of Ulduar (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45871) (Item level: 226, Score: 13346)

6. Sand-Worn Band (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40107) (Item level: 213, Score: 13092)

7. Signet of the Earthshaker (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45247) (Item level: 226, Score: 12847)

8. Gatekeeper (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40370) (Item level: 213, Score: 12735)

9. Keystone Great-Ring (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37784) (Item level: 200, Score: 12465)

10. Signet of the Impregnable Fortress (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40718) (Item level: 213, Score: 11857)

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Trinkets:

1. Heart of Iron (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45158) (Item level: 226, Score: 12636)

2. Royal Seal of King Llane (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46021) (Item level: 219, Score: 12090)

3. Darkmoon Card: Greatness (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44253) (Item level: 200, Score: 10725 on procc) BOE, Nobles Deck.

4. Indestructible Alchemist's Stone (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44323) (Item level: 200, Score: 9600) Alchemy required.

5. Figurine - Monarch Crab (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44063) (Item level: 200, Score: 9064) BoP, Jewelcrafting required.

6. Essence of Gossamer (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37220) (Item level: 200, Score: 8658)

7. Figurine - Ruby Hare (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42341) (Item level: 200, Score: 8610)

8. The General's Heart (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45507) (Item level: 226, Score: 8025)

9. Furnace Stone (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45313) (Item level: 219, Score: 7875)

10. Repelling Charge (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39292) (Item level: 200, Score: 6720)

11. Rune of Repulsion (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40372) (Item level: 213, Score: 6650)

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Meatwally
05-24-2009, 07:00 AM
Main Hand:

1. Sorthalis, Hammer of the Watchers (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45442) (Item level: 239, Score: 12944)

2. Shiver (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45876) (Item level: 232, Score: 12771)

3. Titanguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45110) (Item level: 232, Score: 11629)

4. Last Laugh (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40402) (Item level: 226, Score: 10914)

5. Legacy of Thunder (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45892) (Item level: 219, Score: 10472)

6. Stoneguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45700) (Item level: 219, Score: 10167)

7. Void Sabre (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46036) (Item level: 232, Score: 9770)

8. Broken Promise (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40345) (Item level: 213, Score: 9072)

9. Slayer of the Lifeless (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39344) (Item level: 200, Score: 8681)

10. Vulmir, the Northern Tempest (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45463) (Item level: 232, Score: 8493)

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Shield:

1. The Boreal Guard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45877) (Item level: 232, Score: 71409)

2. Wall of Terror (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40400) (Item level: 226, Score: 66907)

3. Northern Barrier (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45450) (Item level: 226, Score: 66217)

4. Shieldwall of the Breaker (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45707) (Item level: 219, Score: 66150)

5. Hero's Surrender (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40266) (Item level: 213, Score: 64954)

6. Barricade of Eternity (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40475) (Item level: 213, Score: 64364)

7. Crygil's Discarded Plate Panel (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40701) (Item level: 200, Score: 61875)

8. Titansteel Shield Wall (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42508) (Item level: 200, Score: 60957)

9. The Skull of Ruin (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39276) (Item level: 200, Score: 60665)

10. Royal Crest of Lordaeron (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43085) (Item level: 200, Score: 60600)

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Librams:

1. Libram of the Sacred Shield (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45145) (Item level: 226)

2. Libram of Obstruction (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40707) (Item level: 200)

3. Libram of Resurgence (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40337) (Item level: 213)

Meatwally
05-24-2009, 07:00 AM
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Jaydn
06-04-2009, 06:57 AM
Hey Meatwally,

i dont like your list at all. I know, its a lot of work, but that looks wrong. Shield block value and rating are rated too high. No tank likes gear with those stats, and i dont think you either.

it should be more like:
Helm:
Helm of the Faceless (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45502)
Ironbark Faceguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45935)
Conqueror's Aegis Faceguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46175)

Why? Our T8 Helm has some nice stats. High Def and Dodge, comparsed whit HotF. But HotF has more overall avoidance (dont ignore the sockets).

Shield block rating are wasted in Ulduar. We paladins are close to the unhitable-cap while singletarget-tanking (tanks @Holy Shield) and we dont need "more" blockrating or value.

Blocking 1500 oder even 2000 Dmg means nothing, if you get 20 oder 25k dmg per swing.



Maybe you should make new calculations, but please dont use such a high value for block rating or value.

Diridin
06-04-2009, 07:20 AM
It is not a bad list overall it looks like you put some thought and time into this, it would be nice to know how you came up with the scores you listed. Another thing to keep in mind is that different pieces are good for different things, using Jaydn's example of the helm slot if you're gearing more for avoidance HotF is far and away the BiS however if you're bordering on "unhittable" and would love to be able to add your 1500 block value to your EH then the T8.5 helm pulls into first.

Gnurken
06-04-2009, 07:48 AM
I play warrior so no idea for Prot pallys, but if I were to take all what I consider Best-in-slot parts for prot war and combine them, I wouldn't get a viable set of gear.

Was playing around with chardev.org and ended up with shitload of hp, but hitrating and expertise too low to have it doable.

So take all parts into consideration when you plan you "best" set.

Jaydn
06-04-2009, 08:11 AM
Paladins dont need expertise. We have just one attack (Hammer of Right. Ultimate Prot) +autohits, what get something from expertise. Hit is nice but you dont aim for 5% oder 6% hit from gear. If you have a SPriest or a Feral, then you need just +2-3% hit.

Our threat-generation is good enough, that we can focus on HP and the dodge/parry.

veneretio
06-04-2009, 08:28 AM
Was playing around with chardev.org and ended up with shitload of hp, but hitrating and expertise too low to have it doable.
BiS sets are designed for maximum survival because ultimately, unless an encounter calls for it... you really don't want to be going out of your way to maximize your threat. The Best set in the game will not necessarily have capped Expertise and Hit Rating.

PhilS
06-05-2009, 05:40 AM
it should be more like:
Helm:
Helm of the Faceless (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45502)
Ironbark Faceguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45935)
Conqueror's Aegis Faceguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46175)

Why? Our T8 Helm has some nice stats. High Def and Dodge, comparsed whit HotF. But HotF has more overall avoidance (dont ignore the sockets).

Shield block rating are wasted in Ulduar. We paladins are close to the unhitable-cap while singletarget-tanking (tanks @Holy Shield) and we dont need "more" blockrating or value.

In my BiS-Gear (with T8) HotF has 0.18% more avoidance vs. our T8 Helm. Nothing that will make or break a fight with BiS in my opinion. The Shield Block Rating on our T8 helps me getting to 102.4% safely even for 10 mans and raids without every buff/debuff.

If you completely avoid T8 than you're right that HotF is BiS, but i like our T8 in some ways and am shooting first for it, cause i don't know when i'm shooting for hard mode loot in 25s. (but even then it's just 0.15% avoidance for HotF over T8)

Jaydn
06-05-2009, 07:01 AM
Both T8- bonuses are not so good, that i would go for it. I just take chest and legs t8.5. Shoulders and Hands are extremly bad - a lot of block-stats.

T7.5 shoulders are BIS atm and gloves...no one would pick Handguards of the Enclave over t7.5 - but that list tells that.

btw: T8.5 Helm is not sooo bad, but its not BIS - and that's matters. The setbonus is so weak, that it doesnt make any difference.

ovine
06-06-2009, 09:01 AM
Very nice list and some great work, I just wondered though about the trinket section, it seems in an odd order, especially with the JC trinkets?

I may be missing something so please enlighten.

arami
06-06-2009, 01:15 PM
sorry mate but as a paladin tank..i jsut dont feel this list at all...

Meatwally
06-07-2009, 01:19 AM
i dont like your list at all. I know, its a lot of work, but that looks wrong. Shield block value and rating are rated too high. No tank likes gear with those stats, and i dont think you either.


Like i said in the top of my post its not an advanced list. Its just my point of view.

And i do use block for thrash tanking, since it takes away loads of the litte crap dmg when tanking large packs. As a MT i would not use that much block no but this is for overall use.

Meatwally
06-07-2009, 01:22 AM
sorry mate but as a paladin tank..i jsut dont feel this list at all...

Like i stated in the top of the post: "If you dont like the site or think it uses the wrong items or the wrong way to compare gear then dont use this as a guide."

Feeling has nothing to do with it ;)

Evereghalo
06-07-2009, 01:03 PM
1) You are missing a neck from Freya hard mode.
2) The helm of the faceless is BIS period, the avoidance is just nice.
3) For BIS you really only need 1 piece of gear with Shield Block Rating, to hit Block Cap

Meatwally
06-07-2009, 11:54 PM
1) You are missing a neck from Freya hard mode.


Neck:

1. Bronze Pendant of the Vanir (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45485) (Item level: 229, Score: 17332)

Freya hard mode. Been there since i made the list...

Jaydn
06-08-2009, 06:24 AM
Like i said in the top of my post its not an advanced list. Its just my point of view.

And i do use block for thrash tanking, since it takes away loads of the litte crap dmg when tanking large packs. As a MT i would not use that much block no but this is for overall use.

Hum dont get me wrong, but i dont see any point.

There is not a big difference for a EH-set between trash-tanking and hard hitter-tanking, but it's a huge with a Block-setup. If you have +1000 blockvalue or avoid 15% more hits, it doesn't matters. Most of the hits are around 3k or 5k, sometimes 7k but thats nothing.


I hate my poor writing skills, i think i yould explain it better in german. But i try to get some numbers.

Grettings

Meatwally
06-09-2009, 10:51 AM
Go for it =)
Always interesting to see some calculations about it.
Tho i think ppl should just stick with what they prefer wearing.
I got a full block set waiting for blizzard to rewrite/remake the values so it accually is worth gearing for it.